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I'll take him over Manu and Green at this point, him and Kawhi could have been great combo...
Spurs should have drafted McCaw instead of Murray. McCaw is a year older and has done everything we hoped Murray could. He could be a rotation player for the Spurs as a combo guard this year. GS scouts are kicking the Spurs scouts butts.
I'll take him over Manu and Green at this point, him and Kawhi could have been great combo...
There's a huge difference from spending one year vs. two in college - Murray is further from eventual finished product. Murray will take longer to develop but don't think too many conclusions should be made from summer lewgue.
Warriors may have found great value, though. If he does pan out, too bad for them he's only under a two year deal (2nd rounder) as he'll get a massive pay raise in RFA and Bird Rights will be limited for a team capped out. Rich man problems for the Warriors.
The sad thing is, they could have had both. GS bought that pick with cash.
Murray is a keeper.
But the Spurs should've done what GSW did by buying that pick. They were fine with paying Manu $14 million, so $2 million to draft McCaw is simply chump change.
This kid is GOOD and going to be VERY GOOD with more muscle . Good shooter, good penetrator, good ball handler, good court vision, good off the ball, good passer, good defender. Spurs should plan on snatching him in a couple of years.
Last edited by picnroll; 07-15-2016 at 10:04 AM.
The most immediate issue with Murray is that we will spend the next two seasons of Kawhi and LMA's contracts without a PG that will allow us to compete at the highest level. We will be also-rans for a couple of years of Kawhi and LMA's contracts while Tony declines and we are waiting for Murray to "grow" enough to run an NBA championship-caliber team.
I think they are going to try and sign a PG in the off season. Next year's PG FA crop is really good.
Westbrook, Chris Paul, K Lowry, Jeff Teague, G Hill, Shaun Livingston, and the Greek Freek will all be free agents. Murray can grown under one of them, hopefully.
Unfortunately there is an instant gratification, over emotional, over reactionary group here. They expect hall of fame action from the get go. Murray has a higher ceiling than Mccaw. Murray has also done some really good things. I wanted Mccaw and mocked him multiple times. But Murray is the better prospect, he just requires a bit more patience.
It it is much like the fight chinook goes through, with LJC. People hate on him because he isn't killing it. But I'm excited he is stateside to finish his development. As a 4th or 5th big he brings qualities you want. And you've seen flashes in the few games he has played. But like I said he is stateside where he will get better development. I wish they would have brought Milutinov over as well. I'm over the development over seas. I don't think they develop as well. I think a kid like Hanga would be a rotational guy by now had he been brought over sooner.
But let's be honest these same people that OOH and AAH over Mccaw are quick to tell others it is summer league whenever our players do well, but praise others.
Last edited by palangi; 07-15-2016 at 10:51 AM.
Both players will be fortunate to see any floor time this year. Murray has a loooooooong way to go.
You go after Westbrook first but I wouldn't be surprised if we go straight for George Hill. He would be alot cheaper than Russell and we already know how he fits in the system. He finally gets his spot as starting point and we can move Tony to the bench. Though the repercussions of this development means Murray would move more to shooting guard in a Manu role like some namely Chinook mentioned. With George you would have the point guard of the foreseeable future. We'll see how fate will have it with Murray. I think he would be best as point with all star potential then coming off the bench with sixth man potential. Murray could play the back up point too, it's just that Parker has said he wasn't too play 4-5 more years which would put Murray back at third string. How's the shooting guard class next year. Maybe we find a Manu replacement then a Parker. The Spurs have already demonstrated their loyalty to Tim and Manu, and I doubt they stop with Parker.
As for Murray, I think he was the right pick for what we needed. He has a higher ceiling than McCaw. McCaw has potential to be an elite roleplayer imo and I've already stated what Murrays celling is. I think he realizes his potential with the Spurs. If he was a project big I would be skeptical but we have a pretty good track record with guards.
Solid post
JJ Re , Tyreke Evans, and Tony Allen are all UFA. Oladipo, K Caldwell-Pope, and CJ McCollom are all restricted. Gordon Hayward has a player option.
Last edited by Dre_7; 07-15-2016 at 11:03 AM.
I was probably the 1st person to bring McCaw as a Spurs target and I love him as a prospect, but Murray is a great prospect too.
Don't put too much stock on what Murray is showing now in the SL as a freshman out of college. Murray is raw and he was drafted based on his tools and his potential. He still has a very long way to go before he starts to produce like a Spurs material player.
Just be patient. Murray's pick will pay off in the long run. The only thing that makes me sad about McCaw is that he went to the most stacked team in the NBA for cash and the Spurs could have taken both if they wanted to.
Shouldn't be about Murray vs McCaw - both would have been nice especially since it was so cheap.
We'll have to revisit this thread in a couple of years.
Re on the Spurswow, that would be amazing. Also I love Hayward as a player and is so much a Spurs player. Thing is, we as well as many other teams will have about 30mil in cap, which is enough to get 1 stud or 2 players of Re type. Something like George Hill and Taj Gibson for example. Our core is intact, so will be interesting what we do next offseason.
We don't. Mcpoop sucks compared to Murray.
I'm very interested in next off season as well! That is going to be a crucial free agent class for the Spurs.Re on the Spurs
Murray has a higher ceiling.
Great post and agree on Hanga. He's turned into a top defender in Europe (by their standards) - imagine developing his shot stateside. Defenders in the league will always be at a premium, and if he could turn into a fringe 3 & D guy, I would have taken it.
Jerry West, felt McCaw should not have slipped that far, saying "People are gonna be sorry they didn't draft him."
Like others have said Murray has the upside. Anyone remember how much RC got trashed for the Joseph pick in 2011 because his adopted son played with him at UT? Look at where Cory is now. I'm just curious who we bring in to replace Chad Forcier.
Spurs PATFO losing their edge. This is ridiculous!! With all the departures, Spurs have a lot of brain drain.
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