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Using the "eye test", that absolutely makes you a liar and i'm not the biggest Kobe fan.
I know it's fun to hate on Kobe, but peak Kobe was dominant.
Spoken like a faithful Spurs fan! Well done and entirely expected." le defenses."
Using the "eye test", that absolutely makes you a liar and i'm not the biggest Kobe fan.
I know it's fun to hate on Kobe, but peak Kobe was dominant.
Peak KOBE was a monster..... Period.
Let me tie it to basketball for ya. 5.3 is 5 les with 3 le defenses among them. Do I have to explain the 5.0?
The 4>3 is head to head playoff series between the Lakers and Spurs. Let's talk about those for a minute. Of the 4 Laker series victories 2 were in conf semi's and 2 were conf finals. The 3 Spurs series wins were 1 first rounder and 2 conf semi finals. Let's look at the two times the teams met in the conf finals which obviously is the highest bracket level the two teams can play in. Both Laker victories and the game W/L is 8 to 1 Lakers. Yes. that is correct, when the two teams met in the conference finals the Spurs managed to only win one game.
The 18>16 has nothing to do with the Celtics. You really are dimwitted. The Laker/Celtic les are 16 and 17. 18>16 is the head to head playoff wins. Lakers take that too.
The 19>15 is the amount of years the teams made the playoffs over the 19 years. You know, the reason you gave that trumped all the above in your reasoning why the Spurs were the better team.
Capeesh?.1 for repeats? Where did that come from. Did they get a ring 10% bigger? Why stop at 10%. Why. It make it 100%? 10000%. I decide that rings won in small markets are worth 500% more than those in big markets, so the Spurs actually have the equivalent of 25 big market rings. Even better, there's an additional 50% just because it's Texas, so the Spurs have 37.5 rings. Spurs are simply the most successful franchise in nba history.
And 18>16 is about as cryptic as it comes. It has nothing to do with my intelligence but everything to do with your I ability to communicate. It's a pattern. You can't express the Jordan vs Duncan bit and now you can't talk about playoff h2h.
The lakers Spurs playoff records are actually 34-22 lakers, and series 8-4. So 18-16 and 4-3 isn't something that is apparent to anyone but you. You just have learned to lost your ability to communicate when you lost your ability to walk S well.
I'm not sure what you are trying to compare. Are you trying to compare players franchise? These numbers are meaningless In comparing players which is what has been discussed. If you want to talk about comparing franchises, please make it clear.
Did I say he wasn't dominant? He just was the least dominant of all players that are widely considered in the top 10.
Btw, i can post YouTube highlights that can make tmac and Vince carter look dominant.
As opposed to saying le defenses are 10% more valuable? So how about three peats? Three peats are even rarer! Why are those only worth 10% more as well? So your stance is not only arbitrary but also inconsistent.
Peak Kobe was more dominant than Tim. That is for sure. Accept it and move on.
Post videos of Tmac getting past the first round. And Vince as dominant as Kobe in the playoffs in their peaks.
The .3 was just a silly way to denote the accomplishment. I suppose, since I am dealing with a simpleton, I should have just said 5 tiles with 3 defenses > 5 les with none. Of course you don't believe that has any relevance and it's understandable since it's something your team has never achieved.
And 18>16 is about as cryptic as it comes. It has nothing to do with my intelligence but everything to do with your I ability to communicate. It's a pattern. You can't express the Jordan vs Duncan bit and now you can't talk about playoff h2h.
The lakers Spurs playoff records are actually 34-22 lakers, and series 8-4. So 18-16 and 4-3 isn't something that is apparent to anyone but you. You just have learned to lost your ability to communicate when you lost your ability to walk S well.
I'm not sure what you are trying to compare. Are you trying to compare players franchise? These numbers are meaningless In comparing players which is what has been discussed. If you want to talk about comparing franchises, please make it clear.
I know damn well what the total records are numbskull. I was only giving you the numbers during the Timmy and Kobe era. You know, the players we were discussing. And no, we weren't just discussing players. We were also discussing which team we felt was better than the other over the last 19 years. Remember, when you said your deciding factor that the Spurs were better because the Lakers missed the playoffs 4 times and dismissed the head to head stats? Your attention span is just as terrible as your logic. Funny though how when you were talking lakers vs celts that the head to head compe ion was your deciding factor in favor of the Lakers. But hey, that reasoning doesn't hold up with the lakers vs spurs so you flip flop as usual when it's convenient for you and use a lame missing the playoffs reasoning. You sir, are an imbecile.
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Who's top 10? There is a widely considered top ten? Really? Because every top ten list I see from people here, broadcasters, and even execs and players all differ. So please enlighten us on this "widely considered" list. And if this widely considered list isn't exactly like yours is it re ed too?
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As I pointed out in my previous response. It was just a simply way to denote it. Nothing more. And you are correct. 3 peats are rarer and more difficult so I should have come up with a better way to denote that as well since it would have only tipped the scale even more. Do I have to tell you which direction?Beause I am getting the sense here that your comprehension skills are about on par with your intelligence and logic skills.
Great arguments.
You are an idiot. Accept it and move on.
Carter vs iverson was a classic series.
I am having trouble finding a series of Kobe being dominant in the finals either. I mean, tmac was great in a few series can't help it his team sucked. It's. It like he had Lamar odom and Caron butler carrying him past the first round.
There can be more than 10 players for Players that are widely considered within the top 10. Comprehend?Who's top 10? There is a widely considered top ten? Really? Because every top ten list I see from people here, broadcasters, and even execs and players all differ. So please enlighten us on this "widely considered" list. And if this widely considered list isn't exactly like yours is it re ed too?
1) You are so complex, I mean, who would have thought of that. If you want to say 5 les with 3 defenses > 5 non-consecutive les, you could have just said, but since you want to dumb it down to a simpleton's level, you put in something that is absolutely nonsensical and somehow expected people to understand.
2) You should have said it, but you didn't so too bad.
3) I don't really have a team, neither do you.
4) I do find le defenses to be impressive, it's a great team accomplishment.
Why are you talking about Kobe vs. Duncan now? Weren't you talking about Jordan vs. Duncan with me earlier on? Or even Lakers vs. Spurs? You were talking about Jordan vs. Duncan, i was talking Kobe vs. Duncan with KK81, not you, so you can't expect me to somehow grasp that you have leeched off of another conversation.
Hey, you even said this earlier on:
Why the sudden change of mind?
And I would imagine someone as complex as you would have been able to grasp the concept that 7 series over a span of 19 years is a little over a third of the representative accomplishments, and that the other 12 years are also relevant.
Your two major arguments have already been addressed:
1) le defenses are great and all, but for a fan, winning 3 straight then 2 straight, with playoffs but no les in 10 years, plus missing the playoffs for 4 years, including three straight vs. 5 les in 19 years, with the other 14 years making the playoffs, with the best overall record over the 19 years in not only the NBA, but all four major sports, are comparatively great. If you want to pick team A, I can understand, if you want to pick team B, I can understand too.
2) H2H are about timing and matchups more than how good the teams are. Hey, are the Suns a better team between 2003 and 2008 than the Lakers during the same period? Arguable. The Lakers made 2 finals in those years (lost both), missed a playoff, and lost to the Suns twice in those years. The Suns didn't win anything in that time frame either, but did hold a 2-0 h2h on the Lakers.
Then you have pretty high regard for my intelligence and my "logic skills", whatever that is. My comprehension doesn't seem to be the issue here, your composition really is. It's like I am talking to the riddler here, and is expected to somehow grasp your topic of the moment.As I pointed out in my previous response. It was just a simply way to denote it. Nothing more. And you are correct. 3 peats are rarer and more difficult so I should have come up with a better way to denote that as well since it would have only tipped the scale even more. Do I have to tell you which direction?
And yeah, you should ahve came up with a better way to denote things, you should have actually came up with a better way of expressing every thought you try to express in this thread too, because no one other than you can understand what topic you are trying to stay on at any given point.
Amb is really sensitive. He backs himself into a corner each time and loses.
True, we finally agree on something.. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I clearly admit I was wrong. You're just some guy who thinks he knows it all and when someone shows you your wrong you get all flustered and start arguing nonsense. The only reason I have stuck round the last couple days is the humor your stupidity is supplying.
Logical thinking skills dumbass. Again, I suppose I should not have given you the benefit of the doubt. In the future, when dealing with your ignorance, i'll dumb down things to the grade school level since that seems to be where you reside.
After reading a bit here over the last few days I see all these threads where you take on arguments with many only to get penned into a corner with your idiotic "logical thinking skills". It always ends the same way too. You calling the others re s when you have nothing left in the quiver. (gosh I'm hoping the quiver reference isn't too abstract for you to get the point.
BRILLIANT logic there I tell ya!!!!
Your not very good at this are you?
Cobbler just broke open a huge can of worms.
We've been assuming that Kobe and Duncan and compared apples to apples, ie indiv stats only.
Since cobbler wants to brag about repeats then we have to qualify whether Kobe is a star alpha, star beta, or role player and assign values to it, but because Cobbler and Djohn are too dumb to even acknowledge that you have to play defense to be an all time great i doubt they'll be able to present an unbiased account of what it's like playing alongside a HOF top center vs two top 200 guards
you failed at reading comprehension, Amb is pretty sensitive and dramatic, true, but he is winning this conversation. Cobbler is throwing dead straw men out. You agree Kobe had a more dominant peak yet you've let cobbler do all the spainin there.
I mean Kobe is just a rich man's Tony Parker at this point
Volume shooter, the least valuable, least irreplaceable position.
Faded in the playoffs, not clutch at all.
Not a good team mate, killed several coaches.
Touched the lottery 3 times? Is that the right number? Each lottery trip probably erases a repeat. After all, both Duncan and lebron have had better peaks as far as team success, Durant too (years they missed playoffs due to injury don't count). And the lakers weren't even tanking during the mid 2000's.
I mean which is harder, staying out of the lottery for ten years straight or repeating?
Damn, Durant probably needs just 3 chips to pass Kobe.
No he is not winning. He said using the eye test, Kobe had a terrible peak even though that is bull . Three les in a row is a horrible peak?
And Duncan lost to him 4 times in the playoffs...
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