Reply With Quote
Yes. We still have to play to our strengths tho which is post ups. Can't play to fast.
It was really the downfall of our team last year tbh. Spurs weren't a consistent threat and by that I mean attempts. When the Spurs had the "beautiful game" they launched 3's like crazy. When defenses are forced to close out on shooters it creates chaos for a defense. Player pump fakes or holds and penetrates which creates help...which then leads to a pass to another open player who can do the same. Chaos.
It's what makes GSW so lethal....you're forced to close out so aggressively that it opens lanes for drive and kick/ball movement which leads to open shots. Spurs didn't have shooters last year and I'm hoping that Simmons, Anderson, and even Parker keep expanding and gaining confidence with their 3 ball...Green, Kawhi, Mills, Bertans, all capable 40% shooters. And even Aldridge can become a threat tbh. I thought he'd shoot more 3's but he was on the block. Hopefully with Gasol he can roam the premiter a little more.
Bring the 3ball back
Yes. We still have to play to our strengths tho which is post ups. Can't play to fast.
LMA is not as good a passer or screener as Tiago. The ball movement suffered. Many wondered if the Spurs would actually be worse. There's a case to be made.
-----------------------------------------
hope Lamarcus improves his understanding of the Spurs offense this offseason
The Spurs of 2012-2014 may be the best pick and roll team of all time. The three pointer isn't the first option, however. The three pointer is how you punish teams for cheating down or the reward for successfully getting the defense out of position. The success in hitting those threes was that they were off passes and in rhythm. The Spurs still have the discipline not to shoot bad threes, but they had several hundred fewer good opportunities because they ran so much isolation. A lot depends on Gasol and Aldridge, and whether they want to roll to the basket. If Anderson's three is legit this year, he and Bertans will make a big difference as well.
it was a pop decision.
Hit the nail on the head, if Anderson and Bertans 3's are legit then Spurs have enough fire power to maybe edge out GSW.
He sets half ass screens on purpose so that he gets the ball back on the pop. I think it is what it is.
We're relying on fathead now? Great... We are doomed
There are too many Kyle haters. Can't you let the dumber posters fullfill that role?
It's not the understanding - he's fat, slow, and doesn't like contact.
I honestly don't want to hate him...
That would be relevant if Tiago could actually stay on the floor at all, last year another example. He just can't stay healthy at all, his downfall.
I would trade for him back if the Hawks lose faith in him.
We have Forbes now who could be a better Bellinelli cause he's not a bonehead player like Marco...
I would not, he can't play near a full season. To each his own there. I would definitely not lose LMA though for him, no way.
pretty sure it's about time to rely on younger guys.
OP doesn't understand what got shooters open from 12'-15' oppose to 16'.
Please elaborate
Our playmakers got old. They couldn't do it anymore at a championship level and we had to rely on ISOs by our best players. Every team wants to be 2014 Spurs including us. We just don't have the pieces anymore because of age.
That's part of the reason..still waiting for homeboy to say something before I go in...
And when Kawhi is forced to create, that takes a 3 point shooter away from the wings. Less space for him to operate really.
Homeboy. That's cute.
I've posted about it in many threads.
From 2012-2015 Spurs had a big man rotation of Splitter, TD and Diaw. Splitter & TD were damn solid, effective rollers in PNRs for the Spurs' offense from 12'-15'. Having a roller/diver in PNRs for most of the 48 minutes ( Duncan or Splitter was always in the game), created so many opportunities for the weakside shooters because the perimeter defense on the weakside had to respect and rotate over towards the lane whenever Splitter or Duncan rolled after most picks they set. It's a big reason why the Greens, Mills, Leonards, Manus, Neals would go off even in half-court sets. Having effective rollers makes the defense move, and making the defense move is what gives passing a purpose -- it keeps the defense off balance and keeping the defense off-balance is what creates wide open looks for the shooters who usually put in their work spotting up on the weakside.
This past year, you witnessed a lot of meaningless passing to guys who were guarded because the weakside defense never had to move most of the time as teams were giving away the long 2 Pick and Pop to West and Aldridge. Especially with the bench and having West, Diaw in together. West hurt the weakside 3 point attempts because he never rolled and wasn't ever going to be an effective roller anyway -- so he pick and popped from long two and teams were happy with that all day long because the weakside defense got to rest and optimally take away the potential open weakside three point attempts. Diaw used to create open 3 point attempts with his abliity to spread the floor and pick N pop from 3, but last year he lost all confidence in his shot -- and he turned into just a dribble hand off option from the pick N pops he was involved in (which was a shot clock killer). As for the starters, Spurs no longer had the dives of Splitter, and Duncan was unable to dive effectively once his knee went out in December. With David West and Aldridge getting most of the minutes when it mattered, Spurs then had most of the 48 minutes of PnPop long 2 bigs ( instead of PnR divers). Having 48 minutes of mostly Pick N Pop long 2 offense gives the weakside defense an easy out, as they don't have to rotate over towards the painted area. The weakside perimeter defense gets to stay at home on their man -- which takes away the open weakside 3 point attempts that the Spurs usually had in the years before.
As the season went on, Pop started getting on Aldridge to incorporate dives more often -- which he did with some relative success. But it didn't help much because Pop relied a lot on West and Wests skillset and action from the PnR's never was going to create the best looks in basketball for his teammates ( layups/dunks, or wide open 3's). It's a reason why the bench or overall offense didn't look the same against stiff and smart compe ion. The stiff compe ion funneled most of the action to West/Aldridge long 2's and the defense took away the shots that have the most value (wide open 3's, dunks/layups).
This is where I think Dedmon is going to help the Spurs more than people realize is because he is a very effective diver and probably a better finisher than Splitter was. The weak-side shooters in the game with him should have many wide open opportunities.
While having shooters, shooters, shooters seems to be the answer to the average poster, it won't mean much against the best teams if Spurs don't have the personnel in the interior who create the opportunities with their actions without the ball. Dedmons' skill-set will help the shooters more than the average poster realizes.
Hopefully you learned something today for your next podcast.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 07-17-2016 at 05:57 PM.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
