Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[spurs10]

he did stand up in san antonio a few weeks ago.


i'm about to light up right now.

[spurs10]

With regard to all the comments about Parker being traded please be aware of Pop talking about how TP has sacrificed money to stay in SA. I don't think they are going to be shopping Tony.

[Seventyniner]

just because everyone is so used to him doesn't mean we need him:

The Spurs finished the season 7-3 in games without Leonard. One of the losses was against OC without Tim, Manu, Parker, and LMA. One other loss was against Denver without Parker and LMA.

The third loss was by 19 points @LAC just after the All-Star break.

Does that mean we should get rid of Leonard too?

[montgod]

I still haven't understood why the last 2 teams Monroe has been on, he was an undesirable even though his stats say otherwise/good numbers. The Bucks just got him and now want no part of him even with a reasonable contract in today's nba. I did notice DET became better after he left.
Same could be said for MCW as well. Not sure i would want to trade for him/them before finding that out first, not that it looks like the Spurs have any interest in either

[gambit1990]

Parker can dribble the ball under pressue. No one else on the roster can do that. There are things that PGs do besides score or get assists. There are smart plays, like clock management, calling time outs, etc. Parker can game manage better than anyone on the roster and that matters tremendously. Under your logic, Pau Gasol and LMA's stats will make Tim irrelevant. But Tim does more than just score points and get rebounds. You have to look at more than just the stat sheet.

there's a whole thread called "what does parker do": http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259266

Again, this is faulty logic. You might survive a game or two without him, but you aren’t going to win a le without replacing him with someone as competent as he is.Spurs have often finished with winning records despite being without Tim, Tony, Manu, or Kawhi for a few games here or there during the regular season.But in the playoffs, teams can game plan so well and expose a team when it is missing key players due to injury.You take Tony of this team and rely on what they have, and even if you replace him with an all star at another position, and you will see teams press and trap and do other things to take advantage in the post season and then you’ll realize how dumb it is to think that Parker is so easily replaceable with D- League point guards.

haven't liked the way parker plays for a long time now, it hurts the team. i want him traded or to play a different role.

[gambit1990]

The Spurs finished the season 7-3 in games without Leonard. One of the losses was against OC without Tim, Manu, Parker, and LMA. One other loss was against Denver without Parker and LMA.

The third loss was by 19 points @LAC just after the All-Star break.

Does that mean we should get rid of Leonard too?

the point is that we're fine without our game manager. without the person on the team who holds the ball the longest.

[BatManu20]

[Brian Windhorst]

Greg Monroe is terrible.

[TheGreatYacht]

Literally the only NBA player that looks ridiculous in a Spurs jersey is Matt Bonner

[apalisoc_9]

Letting go of parker for Munroe is beyond Stupid. As bad as Parker is and even assuming Mills is better, he' serves a far more important role than monroe.

Only way you get rid of Parker is of you get a Decent PG that has showed punch against GSW and there's a couple of trades aroubd there but almlst impossible to make ot happen.

[BatManu20]

Greg Monroe is terrible.

He may be overpaid but he's not terrible.. He's a legit 16 & 10 guy and those #'s would likely go up with the Spurs.

[cd98]

there's a whole thread called "what does parker do": http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259266


haven't liked the way parker plays for a long time now, it hurts the team. i want him traded or to play a different role.

These arguments are subjective. Who do you replace him with that will keep the Spurs as le contenders? Remember the last two years, the le teams have had all star PG (scoring PG in the mold of TP btw).

[GSH]

You're not even mentioning the key to what makes Spurs FO so great.

There's more to building teams than relying on your draft picks, draft stashes and the regular free agent market (players all the teams see or want).

Actually, I did mention it. I said that the FO has done a good job of making up for the long-term talent drain. Masterful, IMO.

You don't deny that the draft is a way of getting regular talent infusions? (I hope you don't.) In general, the top part of the draft is worth MUCH more than the bottom. The chances of hitting a home run with the 26th pick are incredibly slim, and almost as much luck as skill. There have been plenty of articles written over the years, analyzing how important the top half of the draft is compared to the bottom.

But here's the thing most people don't think about: Guys like Tim/Tony/Manu represent a HUGE amount of skill and talent, but you can look at them as assets with a limited lifespan. (Blame my Accounting degree. ) Early in their career you don't see it, but later you can see a declining amount of skill and contribution each year. And THAT is the loss that isn't getting replenished each year. As long as they perform up to a certain level, people mostly don't think about it too much. Then, all of a sudden they realize that the team needs a quality backup to make take up some of the slack. The Spurs FO has done a great job about finding guys that are both good and affordable. But eventually the yearly deficit has to catch up, even with them.

The Spurs lost Tim this season, but as far as the overall talent pool for the team, they've been losing him inch-by-inch for years. It's just something that you tend to notice all at once. It's like public streets that decline year after year. Cities patch them, but eventually they have to be re-built, and they almost never have a reserve set aside for that. Essentially, they've been spending their street money every year, until one day they realize that they are in a hole. Without the draft, the Tim bill eventually had to come due, with Manu and Tony not far behind.

If you don't like any of that, tell me this: How do you think the Spurs FO would have done putting together Championship teams, if they hadn't gotten the talent infusion of just one #1 pick? The next-best players in Duncan's draft were Chauncey Billups and TMac. The point is, with few exceptions, better players go higher in the draft, and high picks overall are a LOT better than lower ones. It helps when the Spurs trade a good player for a draft pick that gets them a much better player. But people tend to forget that they traded a first round pick for SJax II that wound up being Festus Ezili (and could have been Draymond Green). And they had to give away Luis Scola to get rid of Jackie Butler's contract.

Bottom line, it's hard to keep up the talent level of a team without getting some input from the top half of the draft. It's a drain that is damned near impossible to overcome. And it gets really visible when guys like Tim and Manu finally retire.

[Emperor]

I'll take anyone that can light it up against Warriors in which Monroe has proven he can do within the past year unlike Parker who hasn't done in almost 2 years and don't see him ever doing it again.

[cd98]

the point is that we're fine without our game manager. without the person on the team who holds the ball the longest.

Ok, who's the primary ball handler then? Look at the le teams the last 5 years. We don't have a Lebron. So who handles the ball against pressure and gets the Spurs into their offense against elite teams?

[Hoops Czar]

Literally the only NBA player that looks ridiculous in a Spurs jersey is Matt Bonner

Not true. Kyle Anderson looks equally as awful.

[Hoops Czar]

He may be overpaid but he's not terrible.. He's a legit 16 & 10 guy and those #'s would likely go up with the Spurs.

You mean down. He put those numbers up on a stat padding team.

[BatManu20]

[gambit1990]

These arguments are subjective. Who do you replace him with that will keep the Spurs as le contenders? Remember the last two years, the le teams have had all star PG (scoring PG in the mold of TP btw).

i still want goran. and though they are in the mold of tp... the other two have youth.

Ok, who's the primary ball handler then? Look at the le teams the last 5 years. We don't have a Lebron. So who handles the ball against pressure and gets the Spurs into their offense against elite teams?

kawhi can be the primary ball handler. he has exceeded everyone's expectations. given the constant opportunity he'll be able to handle the responsibility. he deserves to handle the ball as much as the other mvp candidates.

[Hoops Czar]

i still want goran. and though they are in the mold of tp... the other two have youth.


kawhi can be the primary ball handler. he has exceeded everyone's expectations. given the constant opportunity he'll be able to handle the responsibility. he deserves to handle the ball as much as the other mvp candidates.

Some posters can't get it out of their head that Leonard isn't Lebron James.

[cd98]

i still want goran. and though they are in the mold of tp... the other two have youth.


kawhi can be the primary ball handler. he has exceeded everyone's expectations. given the constant opportunity he'll be able to handle the responsibility. he deserves to handle the ball as much as the other mvp candidates.

Kawhi doesn't have ball handling ability in his game. He's not Lebron. He's not going to bring the ball up under pressure. And Goran is under contract on another team and they are not trading him and we have nothing to trade for him. So of the candidates that are available, who do you want to get to replace Parker?

[gambit1990]

Some posters can't get it out of their head that Leonard isn't Lebron James.

didn't say he was lebron and i'm not expecting him to be. i guess comprehension isn't your strongest suit.

[cd98]

Some posters can't get it out of their head that Leonard isn't Lebron James.

Yep. It's like they want him to guard the best player on the other team, score 30 points, including all clutch baskets in the 4th, and now dribble the ball up and initiate the offense. Yes, he will play 40 minutes a game and have nothing left for the playoffs. And if he does dominate the ball, then they'll call him a ball stopper and demand that he be traded.

[gambit1990]

Kawhi doesn't have ball handling ability in his game. He's not Lebron. He's not going to bring the ball up under pressure. And Goran is under contract on another team and they are not trading him and we have nothing to trade for him. So of the candidates that are available, who do you want to get to replace Parker?

ugh, i get tired of answering this question. i would start anyone the spurs have. mills, murray, simmons. are they the optimal choice? no.

if we trade parker we're obviously gonna get something back.

[gambit1990]

Yep. It's like they want him to guard the best player on the other team, score 30 points, including all clutch baskets in the 4th, and now dribble the ball up and initiate the offense. Yes, he will play 40 minutes a game and have nothing left for the playoffs. And if he does dominate the ball, then they'll call him a ball stopper and demand that he be traded.

you got it all wrong. you must be a republican.