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He was a smart player that didn't hero ball. He got the ball moving and into the hands of guys Spurs wanted to feature... but he's definitely too small even in SL to guard some athletes.
On the arrest? He won't even get reprimanded..
He was a smart player that didn't hero ball. He got the ball moving and into the hands of guys Spurs wanted to feature... but he's definitely too small even in SL to guard some athletes.
You have to go back to 2011 before finding a home run with the 26th pick, Blake Swihart, and that's only 5 home runs.
In all, only 12 26th picks have hit home runs:
197 Dave Henderson
185 Alan Trammell (best with 70.4 WAR)
106 Rico Brogna
34 Todd Cruz
25 Brent Gates
20 Darnell McDonald
16 Mark Johnson
9 Mike Stenhouse
7 Stan Papi
4 Blake Swihart
3 Kyle Parker
I'll go with credibly slim, rather than incredibly slim.
Greg Monroe????
http://spurs.247sports.com/Bolt/Repo...onroe-46315897
it's kinda mind boggling to think the warriors are replacing barnes with durant. just glad he's not an alpha. westbrook to the cavs would be scary.
Good point.
That is right. Even if we stand pat and somehow ended up with a minor unheralded bench player stepping up.. lets say Bertans comes out balling huge, Belinelli style, with occasional 20 pt explosions and things of that nature. Most everyone around here will tell you that a team that still has Tony starting at the point is not serious about winning. Trading Danny would make matters worse. In reality maybe Dejounte is better. Him with those long arms and a training camp can maybe make a difference defensively. Just have him practice 3 pt shooting for now and don't do much of getting low percentage floaters in the paint this season until he fixes that for example. Have Kawhi be the point forward ppl want him to be. See where that gets us this season for an experiment.
LMAO! What could I possibly say to that? I remember the Spurs passing on Blake Swihart like it was yesterday.
This is probably very right. I don't know if that rumor is even true bc Spurs really need to trade Tony and go a different direction to get Monroe. I am very wary of guys who get numbers on losing teams. They are losing for a reason. I don't want MCW either. Murray is similar in size and a much better prospect. MCW is not going to win us a championship. I don't know about Monroe though. He's a dominant inside scorer... but really if Spurs are going down this route, I keep coming back to maybe they needed to just keep Boban TBH.
It's actually pretty easy to understand.
For one, Spurs now pay experts to monitor stamina, and minutes in order to optimize health in the long run for their players. This isn't the main reason though, because the Spurs still go over the minutes threshold for their best players when games are tight or compe ive. That's when Kawhi plays close to 40 minutes a night or in the upper 30's -- which hasn't happened very often in the regular season so far in the Kawhi era.
Truth of the matter is, in the Kawhi era, the Spurs have had a higher margin of victory than any other those teams in the early Duncan era. Last year, the Spurs blew out more teams than any other team in the NBA and had the most 20 point victories -- Kawhi was able to take a lot of 4th quarters off. So of course his overall average for minutes per game are going to be down compared to other stars who don't play for teams who are constantly blowing out teams by 20+.
It's easy to understand why he only played 33 mpg last year.
Now that the Spurs have *squint eye* paid Manu for past services (I'm sure his contract amount of 14 million was happening regardless if he got any free agent offers, though 76ers provide cover for the wink-wink-nod-nod agreement) maybe the Spurs will trade him. I'd hate to see it happen and I think he can squeeze something out of this year, but he's paid now, so he can go anywhere or even get traded and then retire a la Tim.
I'd love it! Package Fathead as well!
You mean to say you think they'd sign him to a big ol' Thank You contract, when they really do need him to maintain the "culture" of the locker room now that Tim's gone, which has been stated by them, and then trade him mid-season?
I seriously doubt that's going to happen.
I'm not saying they will do it and I have no problem with Manu being a Spur next year. In fact, like Parker, Manu brings more to the table than just pure stats. But if they need to make a deal at midseason and 39 year old shooting guard Manu doesn't have it, then it is a possible avenue for a cash strapped team w/ assets.
I don't think Parker was as bad as a lot of people here say. But I think he's in decline, and he's getting to the point where a small drop-off will make a HUGE difference in how effective he can be. Last year he played in 72 games, his most in the last 5 years (he averaged about 65 games in the previous 4 seasons). So which do you think is more likely - that he will play in more games than last year, or fewer? Same with his foot speed. Do you think it's more likely that he will be faster, or slower? I left out "about the same" because that makes it too easy not to look at the fact that he's going to decline more, soon. The only question is when.
In his prime, Tony took about 8 FTA/100 possessions. Now he's down to just over 4. Jeff Teague, who I think is over-rated here, gets to the line about 8 times per 100 possessions. Chris Paul has been around for 11 seasons, and he still gets over 7 FTA/100. That drop in FTA's for Tony is a big problem, because he's a slashing-scoring type of PG. He only gets about 10 AST/100 compared to CP3's 15. If Tony isn't getting fouled going to the basket, it's because he's lost some of his edge getting there before defenders. A little bit more, and he's solidly in the realm of backup PG's.
When you look at total minutes, including playoffs, I think Tony has put in the 4th most minutes of any PG in NBA history. (I know he's top-10.) And that doesn't take into account all his international minutes in the summers. When you're looking at a guy with his age and mileage, it's not enough to look at how he played last year. Because there's such a good chance that he won't be as good this year, or the next. If it's this year, there are going to be a bunch of sad Spurs fans.
Frankly I am ready for the team to move a different direction. We ain't winning with Tony. I'd even suggest a very Jason Kidd like experiment with SlowMo and Kawhi for point forwards together TBH. Team has to go another direction. We could have the ultimate all forward team and really kill with size, since that is what Pop wants.
Butwill stay traditional, loyal and we will live and die by Tony and Manu, with a worse version of the teams that he's won with in the past, using Pau like a fake Tim and who knows what he has cooking for the bench but it will still feature a lot of 39 yr old Manu. Playoffs will be like an early sudden death. My $ .o2, maybe this team is at the point that it needs to start going with some experimental and creative stuff.
Right on. I get that.
So did we stretch Duncan's contract or not?
I don’t think Kawhi/Anderson are the guys you want getting ball pressured. Especially Kawhi.He has too many responsibilities and you don’t want to wear him out by making him also handle the ball so much against pressure. And I don’t know that either are capable of initiating the offense either.Manu can do it in a pinch, but even he has gotten sloppy with the basketball.Tony is a problem.Not that he isn’t good enough to start and compete against 29 teams in the league, it’s just that you can’t hide him against GSW.But there is no one on the roster that is an absolute solution to that issue.And , there is probably no way the Spurs can assemble a team that can beat them in a 7 game series assuming GSW has absolute health.So why trade Parker for a low chance of beating the GSW?He’s guided us to many 50 win seasons, and he was fine last year.Is he a superstar?No, not anymore, but until you have someone that can give you at least what he has left, he cannot be traded.The Spurs need at least one legit PG on their roster.That is the one spot where they do not have adequate depth.Frankly I am ready for the team to move a different direction. We ain't winning with Tony. I'd even suggest a very Jason Kidd like experiment with SlowMo and Kawhi for point forwards together TBH. Team has to go another direction. We could have the ultimate all forward team and really kill with size, since that is what Pop wants.
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I think there are issues of fit in the Spurs that always limit players. Players sacrifice areas of their games to fit within a team concept in the Spurs, specially young players who have diversified their games and are able to do more than just one thing.
Tony as a ball dominant guard who needs the ball to be able to play his game, needs to be fit in somehow. I am sure at the beginning "as the man" Kawhi was not the kind of ballhandler who could withstand pressure every single posession, and outside of his spots. He had to learn to read doubles, passing angles etc. and also, his decision making had to develop, but he's reached a level where he deserves to be more ball dominant, he isn't bc Tony has to be fit in somehow bc he's a poor off the ball player.
Murray hasn't even played one single regular season game yet and you're already comparing him to Simmons from last season? And let's not forget that he's a 19 y/o rookie and it's safe to say pretty much all 19y/o rooks were unplayable from time to time during their first season. The Spurs took a chance on a young Tony Parker and maybe they'd like to take chance on Dejounte. If Parker isn't hitting open shots then that makes him pretty darn unplayable also since he's really never been known for his defensive capabilities.
Oh sure, throw facts and logic at me. I don't know anything about he experts, but it sounds believable, and like something the Spurs would do.
So how about this? I think Pop is shooting for that <35 minute mark, even in games that are likely to be very compe ive. Then he winds up having to over-use him in the second half, and he's gassed late in the 4th? Maybe if he just started out managing him for 40 minutes in those games? I still think that 33 minutes is light for a player of his stature, and in the first few years of his career. But I can't deny that the Spurs margin makes way for more bench players to get minutes.
So how about this? When Pop only plays a guy like Kawhi 33 minutes a game, it makes it difficult for amateur stat gurus to compare him to other players in the league? I mean, that's just inconsiderate.
Imagine thinking fathead can play the point
For s sake. The takes of some people.
Deserves it's own thread mate. I saw that to and thought it'd be awesome. People whine about his lack of D but that'd change here. And if you can get a guy that puts up 15 and 9 or whatever then you try get him. I wonder if the Diaw move has something to do with this.
Gasol
Aldridge
Monroe
Dedmon
Is a formidable and legit big rotation. Would have gone from having a ty/missing front court to extremely talented and 4 deep. Lack of stretch big men but I've heard Bertans can shoot the 3 well and could play a stretch PF, also I shudder to say Anderson may see some time at PF, and Bonner who we all know is never leaving. It's interesting for sure. And as with most, I'm sure Monroe would try harder on D being in the Spurs culture and playing for his first and only championship contender.
I'm sure someone has mentioned it but I'm on the phone and dont wanna look but what about seeing what we can throw in for MCW
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