THE SPURS OFFENSE: Strengths and Weaknesses

[SpursforSix]

Guys, many of you here have excellent technical knowledge on Basketball, would you share more on the Spurs offense.

Its philosophy, unique features, strengths, weaknesses....evolution through the years, players who are best fitted, players who could benefit with it, etc

In a way that is comprehensive to simple fans like myself (who lack technical basketball know-how).

Hope to hear from you! Thanks a lot!

Thanks for asking. I spend quite a bit of time analyzing advanced metrics and plugging them into some forecasting models I've built. It's fairly complicated but I'll try to explain.

The Spurs have a point guard that dribbles too much and doesn't see the court very well.

[Solid D]

Still don't have anyone that controls the pace. THAT is the issue.

It might HELP the pace if Pop decides to go away from feeding the post so often, with fewer isos and quicker tempo. It's doable with the current personnel.

(Unless you have an axe to grind and current personnel won't ever make you happy.)

[Spurtacular]

Old Gasoft doesn't excite me; and he breaks down by the playoffs nowadays.

[Solid D]

Thanks for asking. I spend quite a bit of time analyzing advanced metrics and plugging them into some forecasting models I've built. It's fairly complicated but I'll try to explain.

The Spurs have a point guard that dribbles too much and doesn't see the court very well.

I think TP is trying to model himself too much after Steve Nash and...well, he's not Steve Nash. Don't get me wrong, I think Tony is a great player, who has really helped the Spurs to win championships. But lately, he's been dominating the ball a bit too much, even though his minutes have been reduced dramatically (fewest min/game in '15-16). He tried to impress upon everyone that the show was not called "Cooking with Timmy."

[SpursforSix]

I think TP is trying to model himself too much after Steve Nash and...well, he's not Steve Nash. Don't get me wrong, I think Tony is a great player, who has really helped the Spurs to win championships. But lately, he's been dominating the ball a bit too much. He tried to impress upon everyone that the show was not called "Cooking with Timmy."

Tony is probably still as good a ball handler as prime Nash but lacks the other two components that made Nash such a weapon. Passing and and the three ball.

[tholdren]

It might HELP the pace if Pop decides to go away from feeding the post so often, with fewer isos and quicker tempo. It's doable with the current personnel.

(Unless you have an axe to grind and current personnel won't ever make you happy.)

you got a shot chart from the spurs for the season and the playoffs? I would like to see where the shots came from. It's not personnel as much as it is the IQ of the personnel.

[Phenomanul]

The Triangle Offense seems to be a good idea, what do you think guys?

The effectiveness of the Triangle offense has waned now that zone defenses are allowed.

[Solid D]

you got a shot chart from the spurs for the season and the playoffs? I would like to see where the shots came from. It's not personnel as much as it is the IQ of the personnel.

Unless you can present a chart of the IQs of said personnel, I refuse to attempt to present a season shot chart.

[tholdren]

Unless you can present a chart of the IQs of said personnel, I refuse to attempt to present a season shot chart.

Refuse all you want - Hoop-sense from LMA and KL was terrible. Which is why neither of them have led a team deep in to the playoffs. If they both continue to try and outshoot the rest of the league it will be a 90s repeat all over again. One of those guys has to get consistent meaningful buckets or get to the line. Softness is a smarts flaw. They both have it.

[Solid D]

Refuse all you want - Hoop-sense from LMA and KL was terrible. Which is why neither of them have led a team deep in to the playoffs. If they both continue to try and outshoot the rest of the league it will be a 90s repeat all over again. One of those guys has to get consistent meaningful buckets or get to the line. Softness is a smarts flaw. They both have it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...except that the MVP of the '14 Finals and '16 Defensive POY is not soft, IQ wise nor in physical imposition. But we all see the axe you are grinding and understand your POV loud and clear.

[tholdren]

Yeah, yeah, yeah...except that the MVP of the '14 Finals and '16 Defensive POY is not soft, IQ wise nor in physical imposition. But we all see the axe you are grinding and understand your POV loud and clear.

bringing up 2014 is ignorant. Tim led that charge and with Tim's decline, ironically - so did KL ability to win a meaningful series. But you fail to mention game 6 the year before when KL choked. There is no "axe" other than tired of reading kids views of a good player who hasn't won a thing being compared to great players. His IQ is ty as he's bigger, faster, and stronger than almost everyone his position yet he settles for jumpers when it matters. That is stupid. It's much like lebron. Its much like Kyrie Irvings three to win the ring. Its playground ball.

[Solid D]

bringing up 2014 is ignorant. Tim led that charge and with Tim's decline, ironically - so did KL ability to win a meaningful series. But you fail to mention game 6 the year before when KL choked. There is no "axe" other than tired of reading kids views of a good player who hasn't won a thing being compared to great players. His IQ is ty as he's bigger, faster, and stronger than almost everyone his position yet he settles for jumpers when it matters. That is stupid. It's much like lebron. Its much like Kyrie Irvings three to win the ring. Its playground ball.

The ignorant card is sort of last ditch, and I do mean ditch. Enjoy your position.

[tholdren]

The ignorant card is sort of last ditch, and I do mean ditch. Enjoy your position.

Not a last ditch. Just not a real strong argument for you or KL. His offense is low IQ. His defense is great. Quite the falloff from 2014 FMVP to early dump the past 2 seasons. One would expect him to get better.

[GSH]

The effectiveness of the Triangle offense has waned now that zone defenses are allowed.

I don't know how this turned into a discussion of the triangle, and I really don't want to know. But I saw this comment. I'm not sure that the triangle has ever been successful for a team that didn't have Tex Winter holding a clipboard.

[Solid D]

His offense is low IQ. His defense is great. Quite the falloff from 2014 FMVP to early dump the past 2 seasons. One would expect him to get better.

Hopefully, this message board and my brief discussion with you has served as therapeutic in your journey toward dealing with your disappointments. If not, then just add it to your list.

[tholdren]

Hopefully, this message board and my brief discussion with you has served as therapeutic in your journey toward dealing with your disappointments. If not, then just add it to your list.

You lost. citing something that happened 2 years ago to prop a player is waving the flag.

[BillMc]

I don't know how this turned into a discussion of the triangle, and I really don't want to know. But I saw this comment. I'm not sure that the triangle has ever been successful for a team that didn't have Tex Winter holding a clipboard.

This

[Solid D]

You lost. citing something that happened 2 years ago to prop a player is waving the flag.

Lol

[tholdren]

Lol

Derrick Rose for KL straight up - your logic = Rose is better since he actually WON the mvp. Doesn't make sense does it?

[jARS mEsH sEt]

bringing up 2014 is ignorant. Tim led that charge and with Tim's decline, ironically - so did KL ability to win a meaningful series. But you fail to mention game 6 the year before when KL choked. There is no "axe" other than tired of reading kids views of a good player who hasn't won a thing being compared to great players. His IQ is ty as he's bigger, faster, and stronger than almost everyone his position yet he settles for jumpers when it matters. That is stupid. It's much like lebron. Its much like Kyrie Irvings three to win the ring. Its playground ball.

I agree with you on KL having relatively low basketball IQ at the moment. He can't facilitate at an elite level because he doesn't see the floor in that way yet. But Lebron? Are you kidding me? Lebron sees the floor masterfully and makes everyone around him better. It's note even close. Don't lump lebron in with kawhi.

[tholdren]

I agree with you on KL having relatively low basketball IQ at the moment. He can't facilitate at an elite level because he doesn't see the floor in that way yet. But Lebron? Are you kidding me? Lebron sees the floor masterfully and makes everyone around him better. It's note even close. Don't lump lebron in with kawhi.

LeBron has a terrible way of dribbling out the shot clock and launching a three in pivotal moments. No comment on lebrons court vision - just a comment about his shot selection.

[cutewizard]

Thanks for asking. I spend quite a bit of time analyzing advanced metrics and plugging them into some forecasting models I've built. It's fairly complicated but I'll try to explain.

The Spurs have a point guard that dribbles too much and doesn't see the court very well.

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