Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[ElNono]

Love Manu but at this point in his career, he can't play more than 15 minutes a game with a high likelihood of injury as a 39 year old guard. You can only rely on him as a bench player.

Yeah, I was kidding

[tonight...you]

I have no idea, I don't even keep track. Probably 70% of them are from Game threads...

Lol, I need to get more involved in those, but when I start watching a game- I watch the game.
I tried better during the SL this year, but I still would lose myself for big chunks watching before thinking, Oh ! I need to check in with the brethren!

This will take some practice...

[cd98]

Yeah, I was kidding

Yeah, I've never seen your takes to be that ridiculous, but there are some people on this thread with that view. Only series where I would ever consider playing him at PG for 20+ minutes would be against the Warriors, but that'd be complete desperation.

[ElNono]

Lol, I need to get more involved in those, but when I start watching a game- I watch the game.
I tried better during the SL this year, but I still would lose myself for big chunks watching before thinking, Oh ! I need to check in with the brethren!

This will take some practice...

I'm spoiled. By the time we're at game 55 in the regular season, I want the playoffs to start... plenty of time to get distracted. Hopefully we keep that going without Timmy...

[ElNono]

Yeah, I've never seen your takes to be that ridiculous, but there are some people on this thread with that view. Only series where I would ever consider playing him at PG for 20+ minutes would be against the Warriors, but that'd be complete desperation.

They're not moving Tony, so anything that involves that is pretty much moot.

[SAGirl]

What happens when Murray gives the Warriors 9 extra possessions to score because he turns the ball over so much? I like the kid's length, but he's far from a good defender right now. Other than getting lucky gamble steals, I thought he looked quite bad on defense. He has the tools and we may talk about him starting in 3 years, but if he plays significant minutes versus the Warriors, it's bc we're down by 20. He isn't the answer this year.

And if you are gambling on trading away the only PG on your roster with the idea that Slomo will play point guard against the Warriors, then you are quite the risk taker. Pop has not used him in that role despite how helpful it would be if he could play PG, so I think they've seen him in practice and determined he only makes it in the NBA as a stretch 4. We don't know how good/bad he will be this year. But my money is on mixed results, which means I still prefer Parker as the starter unless the Spurs trade for another starting PG. that doesn't look possible right now.

That's what I am saying. I am in favor of taking some risks bc we won't win with same old same old.

[tonight...you]

I'm spoiled. By the time we're at game 55 in the regular season, I want the playoffs to start... plenty of time to get distracted. Hopefully we keep that going without Timmy...

Point taken friend. I hope so too. Then we'll be talking tons of nonsense, waiting for the seedings to be finalized and arguing how GS is going to destroy us because "Fathead" is our weak link along with Parker.
TGFManu!

[tbdog]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zzutxwk

[ElNono]

Yeah, I've never seen your takes to be that ridiculous, but there are some people on this thread with that view. Only series where I would ever consider playing him at PG for 20+ minutes would be against the Warriors, but that'd be complete desperation.

I would add though, that I don't know if the starting unit wouldn't be better served with a lower-key PG. And before I get the angry mob here, this is no knock on Tony. Just saying if we're going to keep playing the ISO-heavy offense of last season, we now have not just Kawhi and LMA, but also potentially Pau... so, you know, I don't know you want to have a guy taking shots away from them.

[raybies]

Not sure if already posted, but we got him for two years if we keep him.

Edit: I don't know how you let him go, at that price.

[tonight...you]

Not sure if already posted, but we got him for two years if we keep him.

Que bueno.

[K...]

Guess bertans saw that Parker contract and said, this team won't lowball me if I take less. Nice, thanks Parker for being the guinea pig on the pay less then pay more now scheme. That shows real leadership.

[DenialTwist]

Parker will never be traded for Greg Monroe. The spurs would trade Mills and Green before they ever did that. Unless SloMo and Simmons are on the trading block. Spurs are looking for a third team to trade with since the Spurs don't have anyone the Bucks currently need.

[cd98]

I would add though, that I don't know if the starting unit wouldn't be better served with a lower-key PG. And before I get the angry mob here, this is no knock on Tony. Just saying if we're going to keep playing the ISO-heavy offense of last season, we now have not just Kawhi and LMA, but also potentially Pau... so, you know, I don't know you want to have a guy taking shots away from them.

Parker will have to change his game and only look to score if anyone cheats on him on defense. But leading the team, initiating the offense, game management, etc, I only trust he and Manu to make the right plays with this roster, even though neither can do it like they used to do.

[Leetonidas]

Philly wants to trade a young big, kings wanna trade Gay, bucks wanna trade monroe...Any ideas?

[montgod]

Philly wants to trade a young big, kings wanna trade Gay, bucks wanna trade monroe...Any ideas?

SAC wants to trade Koufas as well

[tonight...you]

Philly wants to trade a young big, kings wanna trade Gay, bucks wanna trade monroe...Any ideas?

Vlade's the Billy King of the current NBA.
I'd try aggressively to fleece that punk.

Put him on the cigarette of the month club.

[GSH]

Philly wants to trade a young big, kings wanna trade Gay, bucks wanna trade monroe...Any ideas?

I think it's kind of funny that the team that says they would be interested in facilitating a Monroe trade is Philly. And they're trying to get rid of a young big of their own.

I haven't even tried to step through any scenarios or salary numbers. But off the top of my head I guess it sounds like part of what Milwaukee would get back would be one of Philly's young bigs? Philly would be looking for picks (as if they haven't stockpiled enough lately.) The Spurs could re-sign Bonner using his Bird rights, to come up with some of the salary fodder for the trade - whichever team got him would just waive him. (He would have to agree with any trade if it's a 1-year deal, and it would be.)

[Seventyniner]

Tony has outlived his usefulness and effectiveness. It's been mentioned ad nauseam, but its true. He had some very good years but he is no longer good at breaking down defenses by driving in to the lane. He seldom beats defenders off the dribble and is a liability on defense. All of which would be fine if he could somehow score by hitting his jumper consistently. We all know that isn't going to happen.

You're wrong about this part.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/pullup/?sort=PULL_UP_EFG_PCT&dir=1&CF=PULL_UP_FGA*GE*3%7C GP*GE*30&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

This is a list of players' effective FG% (eFG%) on pull-up jumpers taken after at least one dribble and outside 10 feet. I filtered the results for players that played at least 30 games and took at least 3 of these pull-up jumpers per game. Out of the 89 players that fit these criteria, Tony Parker was 18th in eFG% (45.2%) and 8th in raw FG% (44.3%).

Parker has plenty of weaknesses in his game now, but pull-up jumpers are a strength. Zach Lowe has called Parker an elite mid-range shooter for years now. Parker's signature for years was finishing at the rim at a very high clip, but now that he can't quite do that anymore, he relies on pull-up jumpers.

Tony's eFG%/FG% numbers for the two previous seasons are remarkably similar btw.

[tonight...you]

I think it's kind of funny that the team that says they would be interested in facilitating a Monroe trade is Philly. And they're trying to get rid of a young big of their own.

I haven't even tried to step through any scenarios or salary numbers. But off the top of my head I guess it sounds like part of what Milwaukee would get back would be one of Philly's young bigs? Philly would be looking for picks (as if they haven't stockpiled enough lately.) The Spurs could re-sign Bonner using his Bird rights, to come up with some of the salary fodder for the trade - whichever team got him would just waive him. (He would have to agree with any trade if it's a 1-year deal, and it would be.)

Nice. That's some aggressive thinking right there.

[montgod]

Nice. That's some aggressive thinking right there.

Interesting indeed. Not like Bonner would balk because it's free money in his pocket to do nothing since Bucks, Philly...whoever would cut him immediately after trade.

[spurtech09]

Philly wants to trade a young big, kings wanna trade Gay, bucks wanna trade monroe...Any ideas?

Man it would be nice if Spurs could get Rudy Gay..

[tonight...you]

Interesting indeed. Not like Bonner would balk because it's free money in his pocket to do nothing since Bucks, Philly...whoever would cut him immediately after trade.

GSH has something here. Something that could benefit all parties... Shoot. The guy's getting me worked up on this one.

[Seventyniner]

I think it's kind of funny that the team that says they would be interested in facilitating a Monroe trade is Philly. And they're trying to get rid of a young big of their own.

I haven't even tried to step through any scenarios or salary numbers. But off the top of my head I guess it sounds like part of what Milwaukee would get back would be one of Philly's young bigs? Philly would be looking for picks (as if they haven't stockpiled enough lately.) The Spurs could re-sign Bonner using his Bird rights, to come up with some of the salary fodder for the trade - whichever team got him would just waive him. (He would have to agree with any trade if it's a 1-year deal, and it would be.)

Philly would facilitate a three-team deal involving Monroe for the same reason they ever facilitate any deal: to get extra assets in the process. They wouldn't want Monroe themselves.

I think it would mean that Milwaukee would want to salary-dump Monroe, a third team would trade a guard or wing or multiple players to get within Monroe's salary, and Philly would take said guard/wing(s) and a pick if those players don't include a good young prospect.

[tonight...you]

Philly would facilitate a three-team deal involving Monroe for the same reason they ever facilitate any deal: to get extra assets in the process. They wouldn't want Monroe themselves.

I think it would mean that Milwaukee would want to salary-dump Monroe, a third team would trade a guard or wing or multiple players to get within Monroe's salary, and Philly would take said guard/wing(s) and a pick if those players don't include a good young prospect.

Hinkie's no longer the GM bruddah.
Colangelo now is. They're thought process is not what they were.