Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[tholdren]

lolwut

Murray is what Spurs need from a SG standpoint versus PG. He's a terrible passer, and ty court vision. This is most likely due to coaches just letting him try to do the layup drill for the whole game.

You follow?

[SAGirl]

Ok so go on the record. Do you think Murray won't be turnover prone next year if he stays on the Spurs roster?

Maybe but it will be minimized by him mostly playing off the ball, which is what the Spurs want Tony to do right now. It also includes him improving defensively to provide energy plays and better defense with his physical tools than Tony does, that will provide some rest to Kawhi who won't have to worry about Tony's defensive assignments having to be guarded by others, as well as Tony having to hide on the lowest offensive threats. And no one who guards Dejounte will rest off the ball. The guy is incredibly quick and explosive.
We get a leg up on his development. Tony won't remain the starter even if these ridiculous trade ideas don't come to pass. Sooner or later he will go to the bench, and depending on his injuries, state after the olympics and Dejounte himself it might be sooner rather than later, we don't know.. but its not as ridiculous to consider as you make it seem.

[cd98]

Murray isn't a pg, which is why he TOS it with ignorance. He's an attacker that coaches told to drive to the rim and everyone else to get out of the way. His vision is terrible. I would look for him to be the manu replacement over the tony replacement.

He played one in college. He's not a traditional one, but he could be one similar to Ron Harper in those Bull lineups. I think they think he can have that role. He won't be Steve Nash but even with his turnovers, he did make some nice passes. He's definitely shoot first though.

[tholdren]

Yes. Spurs soured on Daniels , tried Porter, and then went to Parker. He was better than the other two. Murray isn't better than Parker. He will be in two years, hopefully, but not now.

I really don't think he will be close to parker. Parkers ability to finish around the rim and get there with speed was uncanny. Murray is just a slop player who throws up garbage at the rim. I like his attacking, but man its hard to watch.

[cd98]

Maybe but it will be minimized by him mostly playing off the ball, which is what the Spurs want Tony to do right now. It also includes him improving defensively to provide energy plays and better defense with his physical tools than Tony does, that will provide some rest to Kawhi who won't have to worry about Tony's defensive assignments having to be guarded by others, as well as Tony having to hide on the lowest offensive threats. And no one who guards Dejounte will rest off the ball. The guy is incredibly quick and explosive.
We get a leg up on his development. Tony won't remain the starter even if these ridiculous trade ideas don't come to pass. Sooner or later he will go to the bench, and depending on his injuries, state after the olympics and Dejounte himself it might be sooner rather than later, we don't know.. but its not as ridiculous to consider as you make it seem.

Murray doesn't play NBA level defense. And sometimes you have to make plays and Parker can still do that, just not at an elite level. Murray may do it in garbage time, but he'll turn the ball over in prime time. He's not ready.

[SAGirl]

Personally, I would stay out of the Westbrook race, we would have to give up alot to get him and we would sacrifice our culture for him. I don't think patfos first option is to go after Westbrook or any other point guard if you ask me. My gut feeling is that pop wants Tony and he's old enough to not care if they win or not. He's gonna ride with his guys even if they aren't what they use to be. Manu has one year and he's done. Tony has a few more and he's done and I'm sure if pop isn't gone by then he'll go out with Tony. So my inclination is that they don't want to pursue max players next year and they are fine with Tony and letting Murray develop. After Durant pop might be done recruiting those kinds of players.

More on Monroe, you also get insurance if Pau leaves and can then go after someone like a George hill who would be a better fit.

That's pathetic! Frankly a Pop with no fire like that should get the boot! Let Becky coach!
I do think like you that they are onto Dejounte. Even as raw as he is, they have made some hype about him wanting to be like Kawhi and emphasizing that he's coachable and that they expect good things from him. If Murray is the way to go, I'd rather he get the Tony yell treatment than indifference from Pop in the dleague while we watch same old dribble dribble.
YOu know what?
It may sound like I am too harsh on Tony and I want to get off this anti-Tony wagon. It's not that. I just don't think Tony is a championship level PG at this point and it's time to move on and get a leg up on whatever is the next thing, but I bet Pop won't he will want Dejounte to learn the Spurs way by getting over himself for an entire season, then next season start with the experiments with him.... that's the complacent Pop we know.

[SAGirl]

Murray doesn't play NBA level defense. And sometimes you have to make plays and Parker can still do that, just not at an elite level. Murray may do it in garbage time, but he'll turn the ball over in prime time. He's not ready.

He doesn't right now bc he's a rookie, but Tony was the same at one point.

[tholdren]

He played one in college. He's not a traditional one, but he could be one similar to Ron Harper in those Bull lineups. I think they think he can have that role. He won't be Steve Nash but even with his turnovers, he did make some nice passes. He's definitely shoot first though.

Thats a good call - similar to Ron in hs and college.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski Verified account ‏@WojVerticalNBA San Antonio is hiring well-regarded Detroit executive Brian Wright as assistant general manager, league sources tell @TheVertical.

[Keepin' it real]

I'd rather watch a Kawhi, Green, Bertans, LMA, and Monroe lineup than a lineup with Parker in it.

So you want the Spurs to make roster decisions based on what you'd rather watch?? I think not.

[tonight...you]

So you want the Spurs to make roster decisions based on what you'd rather watch?? I think not.

GM's work differently than posters, i.e. fans.
No stress, friend.

[SAGirl]

I could get behind a Murray getting major minutes this year and the next, if Pop decides it.
He put Parker there back in the day and c'mon, back then, everyone hoped about him, but nobody knew about him and Pop was initially unimpressed and had to be talked into him.

I won't commit Hari Kari (sp?) over anything the team does this year and if they go kind of crazy... Go For It!

The Times, they are a changin'!

Don't know what Hari Kari is... but it's time to experiment a little. POp won't though.. that post from raybies about Pop staying complacent has me all down on this season all of a sudden.

[montgod]

Adrian Wojnarowski Verified account ‏@WojVerticalNBA San Antonio is hiring well-regarded Detroit executive Brian Wright as assistant general manager, league sources tell @TheVertical.

About time they take someone back from Detroit although we should probably thank them for taking Barnes. Maybe opens up to possible trade options as well?

[tonight...you]

Don't know what Hari Kari is... but it's time to experiment a little. POp won't though.. that post from raybies about Pop staying complacent has me all down on this season all of a sudden.

Yeah, I posted a bit ago that I wouldn't be upset with giving Murray time, if Pop thought it was worth pursuing.
He believed in a 19 year old, after having to be talked into him by a certain RC before...

And I'm sure I misspelled Hari Kari, but it's Japanese ritual suicide.

[raybies]

Don't know what Hari Kari is... but it's time to experiment a little. POp won't though.. that post from raybies about Pop staying complacent has me all down on this season all of a sudden.

Sorry, may be completely off. It's just when pop said he's tired of coaching, not sure if he's joking or if he really means it.

[tonight...you]

About time they take someone back from Detroit although we should probably thank them for taking Barnes. Maybe opens up to possible trade options as well?

Good point. RC likes to make inroads with everybody. He's a sly emmer effer.

[objective]

Yes. Spurs soured on Daniels , tried Porter, and then went to Parker. He was better than the other two. Murray isn't better than Parker. He will be in two years, hopefully, but not now.

Huh?

Porter started zero games that year. Daniela started games 1-4, then Parker started game 5. Even in the first game, Porter and Parker played equal minutes off the bench.

[SAGirl]

Sorry, may be completely off. It's just when pop said he's tired of coaching, not sure if he's joking or if he really means it.

His actions will speak louder than words this season. Something to watch out for, aside from the youngsters, is Pop's schemes and his coaching. He might be grieving Tim the entire season. It could go downhill if Pop doesn't have it anymore.
I will root and cheer for the team no matter what, but I am much less enthused.

[raybies]

His actions will speak louder than words this season. Something to watch out for, aside from the youngsters, is Pop's schemes and his coaching. He might be grieving Tim the entire season. It could go downhill if Pop doesn't have it anymore.
I will root and cheer for the team no matter what, but I am much less enthused.

Kyle's gonna play big minutes. He has a shot to make a name for himself. Kyle, Kyle, KYLE!!!

[SpursFan86]

Sorry, but you're delusional if you think there's even a remotely decent chance Parker gets traded. There's no point in even discussing the pros/cons of it. It's not happening.

[GSH]

Maybe but it will be minimized by him mostly playing off the ball, which is what the Spurs want Tony to do right now. It also includes him improving defensively to provide energy plays and better defense with his physical tools than Tony does, that will provide some rest to Kawhi who won't have to worry about Tony's defensive assignments having to be guarded by others, as well as Tony having to hide on the lowest offensive threats. And no one who guards Dejounte will rest off the ball. The guy is incredibly quick and explosive.

Some people swear that point guards are born, and not made. I don't know if that's true, but I'm pretty sure you don't learn how to run the point if you're being played as a shooting guard. I hope that whether it's in garbage time, or in Austin, the Spurs stick Murry at the point and just wear his ass out, to see where he can go with it. Given what we know about Pop, Murray isn't likely to see much daylight in the playoffs. So his job this season is to learn - and he might as well be learning PG skills.

I totally agree with you that the best thing he could do for himself is to focus on learning to play defense the right way. I don't know how much he knows about the Spurs, but hopefully some of the older players will convince him of that. If he really, really blossomed on the defensive end, it would be the one situation where I wouldn't mind seeing him be moved to the 2. A good perimeter defender who can drive and score? That's a bankable package. The Spurs could go look for a backup PG elsewhere.

I saw enough in that last SL game to be hopeful for him. He's not an NBA-ready, lottery pick type, but he'd stand a chance of playing on some lesser teams. Pretty sure the Spurs won't be looking for anything but development from him this season.

[SAGirl]

Kyle's gonna play big minutes. He has a shot to make a name for himself. Kyle, Kyle, KYLE!!!

Well I do have SOMEONE to cheer for lol
Damn I need a SlowMo Icon. Boris with that wine is not the same!!!!
I am going to have to hide this season... I have created a monster and it's now larger than life here.

[SAGirl]

Some people swear that point guards are born, and not made. I don't know if that's true, but I'm pretty sure you don't learn how to run the point if you're being played as a shooting guard. I hope that whether it's in garbage time, or in Austin, the Spurs stick Murry at the point and just wear his ass out, to see where he can go with it. Given what we know about Pop, Murray isn't likely to see much daylight in the playoffs. So his job this season is to learn - and he might as well be learning PG skills.

I totally agree with you that the best thing he could do for himself is to focus on learning to play defense the right way. I don't know how much he knows about the Spurs, but hopefully some of the older players will convince him of that. If he really, really blossomed on the defensive end, it would be the one situation where I wouldn't mind seeing him be moved to the 2. A good perimeter defender who can drive and score? That's a bankable package. The Spurs could go look for a backup PG elsewhere.

I saw enough in that last SL game to be hopeful for him. He's not an NBA-ready, lottery pick type, but he'd stand a chance of playing on some lesser teams. Pretty sure the Spurs won't be looking for anything but development from him this season.

I believe in Murray for two reasons:
1.) he's young. We are not talking about an old dog who won't change his ways. He made a lot of energy plays, he tried. You don't get rebounds and steals with no effort. He just doesn't have the discipline, etc. But he has tools, definitely has the tools to be good.
2.) he's in an environment that encourages personal effort. Now I am going to gush about Kyle and Danny, so you can skip if you don't want to read but its short, I promise: he improved dramatically from year one to year two. If he can improve, so can Murray. Murray has the same physical length in proportion as Kawhi and Kyle and he's quick as a cat. One interview I read in SAexpress news was that at one point DAnny was staying after practice to help Kyle with his defense. (By the way that shows leadership, for anyone wondering about young spurs leadership) I think within the young guys they can help him out. I would rather he stay with the team... but I guess it's entirely possible that he's too raw and Tony not so washed up that they can spare him his rookie season so he can work on his shots and become a better version of himself.

I can entirely get behind that. I am sure he would still play bc Tony and Manu being that old, he will be fed minutes at some point (injuries and rest).

[timtonymanu]

Sorry, but you're delusional if you think there's even a remotely decent chance Parker gets traded. There's no point in even discussing the pros/cons of it. It's not happening.

[GSH]

2.) he's in an environment that encourages personal effort. Now I am going to gush about Kyle and Danny

My favorite post of the night. Relentless and shameless - not even a segue. It just doesn't get any better than that.