Tony Parker Vs Manu Ginobili...

[Seventyniner]

Ginobili was better in terms of peak value, but Parker has been more durable and consistent. Ginobili in 2005 was a beast.

Best answer so far imo. For one game or one series to win it all, take Manu. But if you have to get through a full season and playoffs, take Tony.

[cutewizard]

The answer to Sir Apalisoc's original question, is probably, objectively speaking, Parker....

However, if we are talking about intangibles, in one game, it could be Manu....

example, the Olympic games and the World Championships:

the step-ladder sequences are one-game affairs, here Manu shines the brightest!

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At their peak, in any given game, Manu's ability to wield Chaos against Order has to be supreme.

In this respect, using metaphorical language, Tony is the expert wizard, super-talented, a star in the Wizard Academy.

BUT MANU IS THE PROFESSOR OF WIZARDS! the Wizard who can control Chaos itself.

So...................................MANUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

Here is the best answer:

If you have a hot gf, the more dangerous player is obviously, Tony the Frenchman! lol

[Chinook]

eh, prime TP circa 2012 would routinely outdo cp3

I think Paul's a better player now than he was before.

[beirmeistr]

Best answer so far imo. For one game or one series to win it all, take Manu. But if you have to get through a full season and playoffs, take Tony.

good answer

[Mikeanaro]

You mean when Parker put up 29/12 in Game 6 and Manu put up 10/1? Are you blaming Parker for trying to send the series to 7?

The series where Parker outplayed Westbrook but didn't have any help?

Lol you have everything wrong, he scored 29 points on 27 ing shots,are you for real???? thats enough to kill your teammates and the game get your facts straight.
That same game Westchimp had 25 points on 17 shots, thats 10 less attemps, Parker never ever in any way outplayed Westchimp during that series, thats a fairy tale for kids.

Porker scored 12 on 15 shots during game 4 while a 35 year old Manu scored 34 points on game 5, I dont wanna think about 35 y/o Porker season in 2017/18.

[Mikeanaro]

Parker put us up 5 with 30 seconds remaining, what the are you talking about? Don't try semen shield that POS Argie like you do with Missi

2012 against OKC? Sure thing bro let's compare http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-spurs.html

MVParker - 21.5ppg, 3.8rpg, 6.3apg, 48.1FG%
Manure - 18.5ppg, 3.8rpg, 3.3apg, 50FG%

Advantage Parker

Put us 5 with 30? yeah but ed us all the game, if he played good we would be leading by 15 with 30 seconds sure by shooting 6/23 did us a big favor right?

That trolling and agenda you have on Manu is so ridiculous, they have almost the same stats but have occurred to you that Manu played a lot less minutes so his stats cant be bigger that TPork?
And lets not forget Manu can dunk shoot pass nutmeg handle 3´s court vision help his teams and NT to win much much better than some selfish french that made us taste lots of times including last season vs the Clips with an injured CP3?

Even Pop said without Manu Spurs would be light 1 or 2 championships, never said that about the Pork.

[TheGreatYacht]

Put us 5 with 30? yeah but ed us all the game, if he played good we would be leading by 5 with 30 seconds sure by shooting 6/23 did us a big favor right?

That trolling and agenda you have on Manu is so ridiculous, they have almost the same stats but have occurred to you that Manu played a lot less minutes so his stats cant be bigger that TPork?
And lets not forget Manu can dunk shoot pass nutmeg handle 3´s court vision help his teams and NT to win much much better than some selfish french that made us taste lots of times including last season vs the Clips with an injured CP3?

Even Pop said without Manu Spurs would be light 1 or 2 championships, never said that about the Pork.

Yeah and without Manure's 8 turnovers we wouldn't have only been up by 5. Could've should've would've. Parker put us up 5 and Manure CHOKED.

They don't have the same ing stats what are you talking about? Parker's blow Manure's out of the water. Wake up lmao. SASDynasty posted their stats. Manure's best season is the norm for Parker.

• Oh he can dunk? Well that settles it
• He can shoot better? Apparently not since Parker is more efficient
• He can pass better? No he ing can't. Parker Per-36 averages 6.6ast & 2.7TO while Manure averages 5.4ast & 2.8TO
• He can nutmeg? Really? Pssssshhhh

[james evans]

Surprisingly, no stats have been posted yet. Oh wait, this is Spurstalk...never mind.



Best individual playoff run:

Ginobili: 20.8/5.8/4.2 on 51% shooting
Parker: 28.6/6.8/4.2 on 55% shooting


Best individual playoff series:

Ginobili: 22.2/4.8/6.2 on 49% shooting (not even the best player on the team in that series)
Parker: 29.6/7.0/3.4 on 52% shooting

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That best individual playoff run was a first round exit to dallas and he couldn't stay in front of Barerra that series to save his life. Best individual sereis was against Phoeniex and that' not much of a rivalry since they've only beat us once in the Duncan era with him actually playing..Yeah parker could score in his prime. it's about all he could do really. But once that quickness left, Duncan/ginobli got older, he became borderline worthless

[Mikeanaro]

Yeah and without Manure's 8 turnovers we wouldn't have only been up by 5. Could've should've would've. Parker put us up 5 and Manure CHOKED.

They don't have the same ing stats what are you talking about? Parker's blow Manure's out of the water. Wake up lmao. SASDynasty posted their stats. Manure's best season is the norm for Parker.

• Oh he can dunk? Well that settles it
• He can shoot better? Apparently not since Parker is more efficient
• He can pass better? No he's ing not. Parker Per-36 averages 6.6ast & 2.7TO while Manure averages 5.4ast & 2.8TO
• He can nutmeg? Really? Pssssshhhh

You are a troll, you have no life or at all except this dumb account.
SAS is another re that counts AllStar games and dumb media that doesnt say a thing about the game.

Can Parker dunk? shoots better? how so? he learned to shoot the 3 at age 33, doesnt nutmeg because his stupid mind is slow and his body lacks coordination to do that.
Can he pass better? when? when he deflates the ball for 21 seconds and makes a stupid pass trying to get an assist?

Porker game is so stupid... dribble dribble dribble and a floater.

At the end who cares you have your job here and gotta keep feeding the monkey.

Lol Porker put us 5 by shooting 6/23 thats a nice thing to say, you see it doesnt matter how bad you play all the game, if you scored a bucket during crunch time you were a GOAT and nobody will ever say you should play good during THE WHOLE GAME specially when you lose, nice concepts... for a movie for re s.

Feed the monkey.

[Diego20]

Yeah and without Manure's 8 turnovers we wouldn't have only been up by 5. Could've should've would've. Parker put us up 5 and Manure CHOKED.

They don't have the same ing stats what are you talking about? Parker's blow Manure's out of the water. Wake up lmao. SASDynasty posted their stats. Manure's best season is the norm for Parker.

• Oh he can dunk? Well that settles it
• He can shoot better? Apparently not since Parker is more efficient
• He can pass better? No he's ing not. Parker Per-36 averages 6.6ast & 2.7TO while Manure averages 5.4ast & 2.8TO
• He can nutmeg? Really? Pssssshhhh

TP played against Mario ing chalmers, one of worst PGs on the NBA and still choked last 2 games

[Kawhitstorm]

Its a shame how Parker cherry picked the Finals MVP from TD in 07' exploiting his matchup vs. a D-Leaguer and stat padding. It's a shame how people think Parker was the best player that run just because he got Finals MVP. Duncan was by far the best player and was the MVP of the Suns series (which was essentially the Finals that year).

Still bugs me he got it that year. Should have been TD.

I didn't mind Porker willing the MVP, tbh. He played the cards he was dealt but that being his crowing achievement is a laughable.

2005 Manu would have averaged 35 if he was being guarded by Snow/Boobie Gibson.

[TheGreatYacht]

TP played against Mario ing chalmers, one of worst PGs on the NBA and still choked last 2 games

Too bad he was being guarded by Lebron, Manure

Your boy got torn the up by a shoeless Mike Miller lmao

[Mnky]

Prime Manu all day. People are forgetting manu has been over 30 For awhile. He's been pretty bad last few years in comparison. Prime manu was a force. You don't hear too many people talking about Parker's game like they do gino.

[Kawhitstorm]

Parker's first playoff game (vs Gary Payton): 21 pts on 75% shooting.
Ginobili's first playoff game (vs Joe Johnson): 11 pts on 22% shooting.

Manu had a badly sprained ankle as a rookie which caused him to miss valuable time & Pop still had him on a leash like Tiago.

Besides, Payton at his PEAK got abused by Van Exel.

[TheGreatYacht]

You don't hear too many people talking about Parker's game like they do gino.

That's because this is Spurstalk

When do you ever see positive Parker threads?

[Diego20]

Too bad he was being guarded by Lebron, Manure

Your boy got torn the up by a shoeless Mike Miller lmao

Lebron occasionally guarded TP, lol TP . I even remember Lebron guarding Manu.

[Kawhitstorm]

I'd take Harden, Thompson, Butler, etc.... I'd even take Jamal Crawford in his prime over Manu, has more individual accomplishments tbh

Manu has more postseason win-share than all those bums combined.

[Kawhitstorm]

Too bad he was being guarded by Lebron, Manure

Rondo used to tear LeBron & the Heat another one:

[ElNono]

Prime Manu, leading ARG to that olympic gold medal over Pop, Tim and a stacked Team USA, then coming back and beasting in 2005 to get us #3... damn, the dude was dominant then, and he got it done with different teams, in the biggest stages...

[Mikeanaro]

Thats it, this is the season where a 34 y/o TP will break his arm the game before the playoffs to attempt a mid court shot like Manu did vs the Grizzlies at the same age.

[ElNono]

Tony's prime was good, tbh... nothing to be ashamed of there. It took Kawhi and an rejuvenated Manu to get us over the hump for #5, but he contributed, tbh...

[beirmeistr]

Prime Manu, leading ARG to that olympic gold medal over Pop, Tim and a stacked Team USA, then coming back and beasting in 2005 to get us #3... damn, the dude was dominant then, and he got it done with different teams, in the biggest stages...

I know dat's right!

[Yuixafun]

I'm not sure what show exactly, maybe Quantum Leap... but the main character travels thru time to different scenarios.

He has to keep replaying the events until he sets it right... then he is able to leap again, into an entirely new cir stance, on his quest to journey to his own time.

During one episode, there is a hotshot new boxer that is tearing threw the ranks, but he alerts the su ion of a special forces unit.

They think he is bending time... it's not that the boxer was so talented, it was that he was 2 seconds ahead of everyone he fought.

Now I said all that to say this.

One night I was mesmerized watching a long haired Manu, maybe during one of his 40+ point explosion games, when that show popped into my head.


I was seeing a player that was 2 seconds ahead of everyone else.

[kaji157]

You mean when Manu was 27 and Parker was 22? Or is that one of the only series that you can find where Ginobili outplayed Parker? How about 2003? How about 2007? How about 2013? How about 2014? Oh, those aren't good measures. Only 2005.

Prime Ginobili was a far more complete player, that is undeniable.
The fact that he played less minutes, and didn´t focused on get the "score" or "the assist" may resemble less his contributions. But parker never demanded double teams while Manu did. Parker was never able to do something special when teams game planned for him.

There is also something about your stats, you fail to compare each player in regular season/playoffs. It is a reality for all fans who have been here that historically Tony has had trouble sustaining his performance during the playoffs, while manu usually would surpass himself.

Also there is the matter of "oportunity" while Tony failed against the pistons and Manu failed against the Heat, Tony was lucky that manu and tim were able to hide that failure with a win. If not, tony would have probably been traded. When manu failed, no one ever bailed him out, neither in 2006 nor 2013, Parker was non existant in the final game. Tony on the other hand failed many times and was bailed by teammates, or excuses (like Manu injury in 2011). But the Parker show against Conley was a statment on hos undependable parker was in his prime.

Maybe, because fate is a , that is the reason while the best series tony had, against Miami in the 2013 finals, is the series the spurs couldnt win, but that is also an statement that when the team depended on Manu and Tim, they both could spare Tony, but when Tony had to spare manu, he couldnt, and failed, in his best Finals Series.

It´s really a discussion with no means, i believe Ginobili was more influential for a team than Parker, and around the legue i think that is the consensus, but this is a forum and is for posting opinions.