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    I'm not sure Trump gets a bump from this convention. It was a complete dud. Negativity, anger and half-truths work with the base and all but after a week of that Trump's speech was overkill tonight. I thought he would be smarter and take a more mild-mannered but serious approach in an attempt to look Presidential. Instead he came off as more of a old man yelling in fire and brimstone.
    They ed up when they spent 3 nights bashing Hillary non stop and undermining their own themes of the nights.

    They also had no substance. No idea what policies they want to do, or anything close to that. Just more we will build walls but won't tell you how much it will cost, etc.

    Complete and utter disaster.

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    no kidding

    Epic BLM pandering coming at the DNC. She won't "bring them to heel."
    Can't wait for the BLM convention
    BLM fraud convention starts next week

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    They ed up when they spent 3 nights bashing Hillary non stop and undermining their own themes of the nights.

    They also had no substance. No idea what policies they want to do, or anything close to that. Just more we will build walls but won't tell you how much it will cost, etc.

    Complete and utter disaster.
    Just like Trump shouldn't have gone negative in the Republican primaries? lol. 9/10 going negative works extremely well.

    Cant' wait for the BLM convention when you be praising the speakers as comedic geniuses for saying Trump is orange and has small hands.

    The speech is almost universally being praised as extremely effective.

    And Trump could have told you exactly what he was going to do hour by hour for his first 100 days and you would still claim he wasn't giving any substance. Then you would call him racist, sexist, and anti-gay. Then you'll say he isn't ready for prime time. Then you'll say how you would love to vote for a reasonable Republican like Romney or McCain. The Republican party used to be sane back in the day.

    lol

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    They ed up when they spent 3 nights bashing Hillary non stop and undermining their own themes of the nights.

    They also had no substance. No idea what policies they want to do, or anything close to that. Just more we will build walls but won't tell you how much it will cost, etc.

    Complete and utter disaster.

    There will probably be very little bashing of Trump at the DNC

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    Im a white straight man, so that's impossible

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    Just like Trump shouldn't have gone negative in the Republican primaries? lol. 9/10 going negative works extremely well.

    Cant' wait for the BLM convention when you be praising the speakers as comedic geniuses for saying Trump is orange and has small hands.

    The speech is almost universally being praised as extremely effective.

    And Trump could have told you exactly what he was going to do hour by hour for his first 100 days and you would still claim he wasn't giving any substance. Then you would call him racist, sexist, and anti-gay. Then you'll say he isn't ready for prime time. Then you'll say how you would love to vote for a reasonable Republican like Romney or McCain. The Republican party used to be sane back in the day.

    lol
    That would be a first Somehow he's going to do all of these "tremendous" things and have the money to pay for it all while reducing the debt while rebuilding the greatest military ever blah blah blah

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    why people still insist that elections like this are about policy and things like that, tbh?

    It's all about looks, manners, empathy, delivering a speech, looking presidential, etc... both bases already know who they're voting for, the rest are just looking who they can place a bet on at a personal level.

    I mean, at the end of the day, all those guys are likely going to be disappointed no matter who they vote for anyways.

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    why people still insist that elections like this are about policy and things like that, tbh?

    It's all about looks, manners, empathy, delivering a speech, looking presidential, etc... both bases already know who they're voting for, the rest are just looking who they can place a bet on at a personal level.

    I mean, at the end of the day, all those guys are likely going to be disappointed no matter who they vote for anyways.
    While Trump is historically coy on actual policy I don't see why it has to be all or nothing.

    The exit polls in the last election had Romney being hammered with independents for being so vague on policy outside of repeal Obamacare.

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    While Trump is historically coy on actual policy I don't see why it has to be all or nothing.

    The exit polls in the last election had Romney being hammered with independents for being so vague on policy outside of repeal Obamacare.
    But that's the GOP as a whole, and the Dems too to a large extent. Romney made really ty decisions, like picking a terrible VP, that I think even scared some of the base, and couldn't shake freaking Joe Biden on a debate. Ryan wanted to privatize Medicare, talked up school vouchers. The thing is, that's basically what you hear pretty much every time from the Republican platform. I haven't looked this year, but I doubt it's much different. Heck, do you still know what the GOP as a whole wants to replace Barrycare with? It's been what, 6 years?

    I suppose he thought "repeal" was going to be enough to propel him, like it did for Congress in 2010. He was even running against a president that already faltered on some of his promises.

    I still can't believe they bungled that election, tbh, but they managed.

    Frankly, from this cycle, and even if you consider his ideas lunacy, the only guy that really has said how he's going to pay for this or that has been Bernie. Skimping on details has been the norm for a while now.

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    But that's the GOP as a whole, and the Dems too to a large extent. Romney made really ty decisions, like picking a terrible VP, that I think even scared some of the base, and couldn't shake freaking Joe Biden on a debate. Ryan wanted to privatize Medicare, talked up school vouchers. The thing is, that's basically what you hear pretty much every time from the Republican platform. I haven't looked this year, but I doubt it's much different. Heck, do you still know what the GOP as a whole wants to replace Barrycare with? It's been what, 6 years?

    I suppose he thought "repeal" was going to be enough to propel him, like it did for Congress in 2010. He was even running against a president that already faltered on some of his promises.

    I still can't believe they bungled that election, tbh, but they managed.

    Frankly, from this cycle, and even if you consider his ideas lunacy, the only guy that really has said how he's going to pay for this or that has been Bernie. Skimping on details has been the norm for a while now.
    http://abetterway.speaker.gov/_asset...olicyPaper.pdf

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    Thanks for the link (although I gotta admit I laughed when I read June 22, 2016, tbh). I haven't read it entirely yet, but I will.

    I wish it would actually be a bill, personally, not the hodge-podge of small bills in the echo chamber that's the House, trying to trim or impair Barrycare here or there.

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    There are people posting in this thread right now that are going over The Wall.

    America too white, evil, oppressive, and ins utionally racist for you? I have great news, you don't have to stay! Historically, oppressed people get the away from their oppressors if/when the opportunity arises. Now is your chance!

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    But that's the GOP as a whole, and the Dems too to a large extent. Romney made really ty decisions, like picking a terrible VP, that I think even scared some of the base, and couldn't shake freaking Joe Biden on a debate. Ryan wanted to privatize Medicare, talked up school vouchers. The thing is, that's basically what you hear pretty much every time from the Republican platform. I haven't looked this year, but I doubt it's much different. Heck, do you still know what the GOP as a whole wants to replace Barrycare with? It's been what, 6 years?

    I suppose he thought "repeal" was going to be enough to propel him, like it did for Congress in 2010. He was even running against a president that already faltered on some of his promises.

    I still can't believe they bungled that election, tbh, but they managed.

    Frankly, from this cycle, and even if you consider his ideas lunacy, the only guy that really has said how he's going to pay for this or that has been Bernie. Skimping on details has been the norm for a while now.
    And the new electorate ate up Sanders. Hillary got the nomination due to backdoor deals with minority groups and unions plus the superdelegates more than anything else. The Dems see this and put more than half of Sanders policy proposals onto their platform.

    Last election the election polls were pretty clear that Romney being too vague on policy cost him. Go to the current candidates websites and look at the policy proposal pages and tell me who you see as more forthcoming.

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    There are people posting in this thread right now that are going over The Wall.

    America too white, evil, oppressive, and ins utionally racist for you? I have great news, you don't have to stay! Historically, oppressed people get the away from their oppressors if/when the opportunity arises. Now is your chance!

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    So expand HSA tax credits which would basically give more money to the financial industry.

    Cement the relationship between payroll and healthcare with no notion of price control.

    More tort reform stupidity.

    Cap medicaid on a per capita allotment.

    Subsidizing pharmaceuticals and device companies even more.

    Make sure boomers get their medicare funding.

    Eliminate abortion funding.

    Well that was the typical supply side GOP solution to everything.

    About the only thing in there that actually would curb costs for the consumer was the an rust reform.

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    So expand HSA tax credits which would basically give more money to the financial industry.

    Cement the relationship between payroll and healthcare with no notion of price control.

    More tort reform stupidity.

    Cap medicaid on a per capita allotment.

    Subsidizing pharmaceuticals and device companies even more.

    Make sure boomers get their medicare funding.

    Eliminate abortion funding.

    Well that was the typical supply side GOP solution to everything.

    About the only thing in there that actually would curb costs for the consumer was the an rust reform.
    I read most of it, and it's basically what Ryan ran with in 2012, with a few tweaks that are popular now, like preexisting condition coverage and the the tax credit for portability.

    I like some ideas in theory, like more compe ion between insurance companies, but really, that's the not the real problem with cost. And there's no way to control that without things like serious patent reform, or basically admitting that in certain areas, profit motive can't be more important that the well-being of citizens.

    I've never liked ACA at all for the same reason. There's no cost control, and without that, you can't make the rest work.

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    trump has no idea on what foreign policy is

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    Nixon mainly used it to talk about violent protesters against the Vietnam War, but there was an element against black protesters as well, especially after MLK's assassination. And tbf, Nixon won that election in 1968.
    Nixon won because he scuttled the Paris Peace, denying the Dems the campaign advantage of stopping the VN war just before the election, just like St Ronnie scuttled Carter's attempt to get the hostages released.

    Repugs were converting the racist Dems in the South to be racist Repugs in the South (Southern Strategy) so Nixon used the war on drugs to criminalize blacks to please his racist base.

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    trump has no idea on what foreign policy is
    he doesn't care about being President, or about America. Trash offered Kasich responsibility as veep for both domestic and foreign policy, iow, veep as CEO, Trash as non-executive chairman of the board President.

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    profit motive can't be more important that the well-being of citizens.

    ... There's no cost control
    One reason America is ed is that for-profit BigHealthCare puts profit above patients, and BigHealthCare own legislators, makes/blocks policy to protect/increase profit, not to provide care.

    It's the fundamental corruption of American health care: health care is an expensive privilege, not an "inalienable" right.

    BigHealthCare is unstoppable, sucking $3T+/year out of Americans' wealth.

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    con man, liar Trash making explicit all the implicit hate, lies, paranoia, racism that the Repugs have campaigned on for 50 years


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    TDIL safety explicitly means hate, lies, paranoia, and racism.

    Presidential elections are about being the person people trust to do the right thing. It's not a high school debate that's graded on points. Never has been.

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    TDIL safety explicitly means hate, lies, paranoia, and racism.

    Presidential elections are about being the person people trust to do the right thing. It's not a high school debate that's graded on points. Never has been.
    Trash's "law and order" is code word, a dog whistle, aimed at the Repug white racist base, for racism against blacks, browns, just like "states rights" was, is a code word for Jim Crow racism.

    Voter expressing their preference through voting for "person .... to do the right thing" are almost 100% ignored (aka disenfranchisement) by politicians who always prioritize the preferences of their donors.
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    Media Across The Political Spectrum Aghast At Trump's "Dark," "Ugly" Convention Speech

    Media figures from across the political spectrum reacted with horror on Twitter during Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump's speech at the Republican National Convention (RNC),

    calling it the "bleakest, darkest, most fascistic speech" that just kept getting "darker and darker."

    Several commentators compared the speech to that of a "fascist" "dictator."

    ( many tweets in the link )

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/07/21/media-across-political-spectrum-aghast-trumps-dark-ugly-convention-speech/211814?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_c ampaign=Feed%3A+MediaMattersForAmerica-CountyFair+%28Media+Matters+for+America+-+Blog%29

    Are there 40M, 50M people who will vote for this mentally disordered piece of created by the VRWC/Repugs?



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