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    Rookies - Bertans, Murray, LJC, Forbes, Arcidiacono (5????)
    I think five is a strong possibility, but I don't think the team makes it past January 10 with both Forbes and Arcidiacono on the team. , they might both be gone.

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    I think five is a strong possibility, but I don't think the team makes it past January 10 with both Forbes and Arcidiacono on the team. , they might both be gone.
    Actually, those two are decent signups. Both are mature players and seem to know their roles. The odds that both will be signed is very slim. I can see one of them being signed though. Not high odds, but decent odds.

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    Austin Spurs forward. He needs some serious deprogramming.
    That's pretty much whats gonna happen, but is 1 year off Austin development gonna get us anywhere. This guy's ceiling looks like Jeff Ayers right now.

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    With whom did the Spurs replace Forcier?

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    That's pretty much whats gonna happen, but is 1 year off Austin development gonna get us anywhere. This guy's ceiling looks like Jeff Ayers right now.
    Good question. He needs serious player development.

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    The odds that both will be signed is very slim.
    They are already signed. This idea that players have to earn a regular-season contract in camp just needs to die. Everyone in camp is on a viable contract to play out at least that season.

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    If Spurs can resurrect LJC it'll be the greatest resurrection since Christ.

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    Let's hope he turns out to become Ibaka Lite.

    Roster seems full now:

    Gasol / Dedmon
    Aldridge / Jean Charles
    Leonard / Anderson / Bertans
    Green / Ginobili / Simmons
    Parker / Mills / Murray

    Forbes, Arcidiacono both unguaranteed.

    Lalanne stashed to China.

    Spurs might bring in Ndoye to training camp.

    But that's all folks.... something tells me that the Spurs might sign 2 vet. min. players during the season.
    No, that's not it. They will sign a veteran power forward at some point; there's no chance they're going this thin among bigs and with five rookies, three of which are probably not NBA players nor good enough prospects to warrant roster spots.

    The last spot will probably be left open, with Forbes battling a big for it. Whoever wins it, based on how they progress, as well as other lesser proven players/injuries, expect it to remain up for grabs until at least January 10th (the date when a decision on non-guaranteed contracts signed in the off season has to be made), if not the buyout period.

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    They are already signed. This idea that players have to earn a regular-season contract in camp just needs to die. Everyone in camp is on a viable contract to play out at least that season.
    Their deals are just like what Bryce Cottons' deal was 2 years ago. They'll be brought into camp, likely will be waived and then signed on with Austin Spurs for D League contract. Forbes has the best shot to stick with SA - and I think that has a less than 10% chance of happening.

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    Not sure why some people still have Anderson slotted at SF. He'll be the back up PF and see most of his minutes there freeing up time for Bertans/ Simmons at the SF when Manu is playing. When Manu isn't playing, Simmons will play the 2 and Bertans will play the 3.

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    Their deals are just like what Bryce Cottons' deal was 2 years ago. They'll be brought into camp, waived and then signed on with Austin Spurs for D League contract. Forbes is the one who has the best shot to stick with SA - and I think that has a 10% chance of happening.
    I think the odds of one of them being on the roster on opening day is close to 100 percent. There just isn't an alternative, and the team can wait months before having to guarantee their deals for the year. Anyway, Cotton signed a regular deal just like anyone else, as you seem to know. He was waived and brought to Austin (as were Ndoye, Sykes and Washburn last year). But had he stayed on, it would have been under that two-year deal. You don't get a new contract, like # and Isaia Thomas suggested.

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    Not sure why some people still have Anderson slotted at SF. He'll be the back up PF and see most of his minutes there freeing up time for Bertans/ Simmons at the SF when Manu is playing. When Manu isn't playing, Simmons will play the 2 and Bertans will play the 3.
    People keep moving Anderson to the 3 because they "just don't like him" at the four. "Too small."

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    I think the odds of one of them being on the roster on opening day is close to 100 percent. There just isn't an alternative, and the team can wait months before having to guarantee their deals for the year. Anyway, Cotton signed a regular deal just like anyone else, as you seem to know. He was waived and brought to Austin (as were Ndoye, Sykes and Washburn last year). But had he stayed on, it would have been under that two-year deal. You don't get a new contract, like # and Isaia Thomas suggested.
    I disagree. I see a vet PF being brought in for the last spot and Forbes fighting an uphill battle to compete for that spot. Forbes will have to really play awesome to beat out the vet PF.

    Im under the impression SA will keep a roster spot open all yr by the way. Especially with how ATL, and Twolves rosters are stacked with bigs.

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    I disagree. I see a vet PF being brought in for the last spot and Forbes fighting an uphill battle to compete for that spot. Forbes will have to really play awesome to beat out the vet PF.
    The Spurs have 13 guaranteed contracts. So even if another guy is brought in, there is an open spot for a seventh guard. It's not likely that the Spurs will sign two vets to take the final two spots. , I think it's unlikely that they even want to.

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    The Spurs have 13 guaranteed contracts. So even if another guy is brought in, there is an open spot for a seventh guard. It's not likely that the Spurs will sign two vets to take the final two spots. , I think it's unlikely that they even want to.
    I edited it already. I'm under the impression that SA will leave a spot open considering how ATL, and Minny are loaded at bigs and a buyout is inevitable. I just think SA will want to keep it open for flexibility throughout the yr. So that 14th spot, is the last spot for now -- at least in my eyes.

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    If Spurs can resurrect LJC it'll be the greatest resurrection since Christ.
    Lmao!

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    I edited it already. I'm under the impression that SA will leave a spot open considering how ATL, and Minny are loaded at bigs and a buyout is inevitable. I just think SA will want to keep it open for flexibility throughout the yr. So that 14th spot, is the last spot for now -- at least in my eyes.
    There's no reason to leave a spot open unless you need to save money. Guys like Forbes and Arcidiacono can be cut at any time. Why preemptively do so?

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    His jump shot form looks good just slow, his defense is decent and will get better.

    Can be a fourth big in the rotation potentially. Which again, end of the first round to get a decent role player is always a win.

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    Every time I try gain respect for PS, they pull some like this:

    http://projectspurs.com/2016-article...n-charles.html

    Though the Spurs were about $11.2 million over the salary cap, the team was still able to sign Jean-Charles because he had a cap hold of $990,700 for being a former first round pick still on the rookie scale. The actual figures aren’t specifically known publicly just yet about how much and how long Jean-Charles’ deal is for, but even if it’s for $990,700 this season, the team would still be about $6.9 million below the luxury tax.
    We know the length and range of salaries for his deal already. Rookie-scale contracts are really easy to calculate. Paul seems like a smart guy with the cap, but for someone who covers basketball for a living, there is some really obvious stuff he seems to miss in his articles.

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    Just remembered that he had team options on his final two years. So we're fine. A year to develop and a year to have a shot. If no bueno then he goes. He's at a cheap salary and I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him to a bit less than the 120%.

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    Not sure why some people still have Anderson slotted at SF. He'll be the back up PF and see most of his minutes there freeing up time for Bertans/ Simmons at the SF when Manu is playing. When Manu isn't playing, Simmons will play the 2 and Bertans will play the 3.
    It depends who it is, but there's a good chance yet to be signed veteran power forward will be competing with Simmons and Bertans for minutes.

    There's no good reason to not fill the 15th spot. It'll only be a partially guaranteed contract (until January 10th), so they can easily cut it at any point up to that, if something better emerges or injuries necessitate it going to a different position.


    I think the odds of one of them being on the roster on opening day is close to 100 percent. There just isn't an alternative, and the team can wait months before having to guarantee their deals for the year. Anyway, Cotton signed a regular deal just like anyone else, as you seem to know. He was waived and brought to Austin (as were Ndoye, Sykes and Washburn last year). But had he stayed on, it would have been under that two-year deal. You don't get a new contract, like # and Isaia Thomas suggested.
    There's plenty of alternatives. They could just as easily sign any other random player to a partially guaranteed contract. The vast majority of the time, that isn't even an inside track to a roster spot.

    Even just adding one more big (let's face it, even the best of the remaining options are fringe rotation types) would leave them with just 4 and 1/2 NBA bigs and 5 and 1/2 total ones.

    On the other hand, there is a clear need for another knockdown three-point shooter, specifically on the wings.

    I'd have to see the exact big(s) Forbes would be competing with first, but it's probably 50/50-ish.

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    All right, who was this:

    @PaulGarciaPS LJC's place is guaranteed?



    2:19 PM - 22 Jul 2016

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    Wait, if that's 15 then Bonner is not a Spur right?

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    Wait, if that's 15 then Bonner is not a Spur right?
    He'd definitely beat out one of the non-guaranteed guards.

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    We know the length and range of salaries for his deal already. Rookie-scale contracts are really easy to calculate. Paul seems like a smart guy with the cap, but for someone who covers basketball for a living, there is some really obvious stuff he seems to miss in his articles.
    I think he might be thrown off by the fact that Livio is past that three year period after being drafted. But the fact the Spurs don't even have the cap space to sign him to a non rookie scale deal should be enough of a giveaway.

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