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    Why don't they have base runners in Futbol



    That will tell you all you need about how much speed training futbol players focus on when a guy who couldn't break 21 seconds breaks the record after 6 months training.
    You're kidding, right? Gemili was a junior sprinter. It's not like he was floptrot player languishing around and then suddenly decided to take up sprinting.

    At the National Junior Athletic League Finals Gemili won the 200 metres in 20.98, which was the fastest time by a European junior in 2011.[17]
    Like I said, about the same as Orlando's junior time, and Orlando isn't even the fastest guy on his team

    End of the day, fastest in game recorded speed for floptrot: 21.8mph

    Fastest in game recorded speed in the MLB: 23.3mph.


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    And here's a baseball player easily doing some soccer tricks ing around on instagram:

    Bruh, there was a dude in college that use to think he was the shyt b/c he could do similar moves on an empty field but was a bum in an actual game. Being able to control the ball w/ the back of your neck is as transferable as And-1 players dribbling w/ their elbows.

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    Bruh, there was a dude in college that use to think he was the shyt b/c he could do similar moves on an empty field but was a bum in an actual game. Being able to control the ball w/ the back of your neck is as transferable as And-1 players dribbling w/ their elbows.
    You miss the essential point of this debate. I'm going to post with numerous examples of baseball players doing impressive athletic feats (many of which exceed those of the most athletic soccer players) when the soccer crew posts about baseball players being fat and unathletic.

    You could see how I already got your crew scrambling. First, it was "They're all fat and slow!" I come in, and now it's "The training is different!" "13.8 body fat isn't really that good!" "Soccer is a stamina game!"

    So you guys can just the L and admit error, or we can keep going.

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    I would bet you the moon that soccer players train up sprinting more than baseball players, especially considering the MLB season is 162 games with little time in between to workout intensively. , baseball players devote time to vision training. http://www.si.com/edge/2015/04/21/se...tampa-bay-rays
    You dumb ****, futbol players spend most of their off days in the trainer rooms b/c they actually have to use their muscles. They pick up numerous lower extremity injuries which means they have to sit out games let alone training sessions. If you aren't fit then you can't play futbol unlike Besibol were you can just make 'em a DH even if they can't walk.

    Futbol players get their aerobic workouts by ACTUALLY playing 90 minute games, meanwhile beisbol players have to be put on a weight loss program. It's only the bench warmer that are required to put in extra work during training session in futbol.

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    You miss the essential point of this debate. I'm going to post with numerous examples of baseball players doing impressive athletic feats (many of which exceed those of the most athletic soccer players) when the soccer crew posts about baseball players being fat and unathletic.
    Better than Ronaldo:


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    I'll leave you with one of your floptrot players trying to play the great American sport of baseball:

    A besibol superstar trying out female sport:


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    You're kidding, right? Gemili was a junior sprinter. It's not like he was floptrot player languishing around and then suddenly decided to take up sprinting.
    Go to the 2 minute mark & you will CLEARLY hear your narrative getting debunked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULFp...youtu.be&t=117

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    You dumb ****, futbol players spend most of their off days in the trainer rooms b/c they actually have to use their muscles. They pick up numerous lower extremity injuries which means they have to sit out games let alone training sessions. If you aren't fit then you can't play futbol unlike Besibol were you can just make 'em a DH even if they can't walk.

    Futbol players get their aerobic workouts by ACTUALLY playing 90 minute games, meanwhile beisbol players have to be put on a weight loss program. It's only the bench warmer that are required to put in extra work during training session in futbol.
    So much spin, it's getting comical.

    And you prove my point. Soccer players play a running game, in which they get their workout during the game while continuing to train throughout the week until the next game. Baseball players play a game nearly everyday, supposedly eat like pigs, have to be put on a weight loss program, and ARE STILL ON AVERAGE FASTER THAN SOCCER PLAYERS

    That's how pathetically athletic soccer players are.

    "Uh, it's an aerobic/stamina game."

    in' wow. Guess what, "dumbass," 102 year olds can run 10Ks (about the same distance a soccer player covers) in 90 minutes. Spin all you want about the 102 year old not having to sprint, laterally move, and such, but the point is, running is so in' easy that 102 year olds can post decent 10k times.

    Here's another example. Here's Robben, supposedly one of soccer's fastest sprinters:



    (Ignore the 37km. That wasn't his actual speed). He's dead sprinting in a straight line for the ball, and reached a top speed of

    However, Robben's speed has now been amended to 31km/h - and the Dutchman is not in the least bit surprised, joking that he never felt like he was in the same category as 100 metres world record holder Usain Bolt.

    "I'd already thought [37km/h] was excessive," he told Algemeen Dagblad. "I am fast, but that would have made me almost as fast as Usain Bolt!"
    http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/5456/...-as-usain-bolt

    That's about 19.26mph.

    Here's Clayton Kershaw, a ING PITCHER, who supposedly has to be put on a weight loss program running just as fast:

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/178752...ayton-kershaw/

    And at baseball players not having to use their muscles. Yeah, try generating the 2300watts of core power (about 2.5-3.0 times what the average joe can produce) required to hit a baseball with a decent exit velocity without using muscles. Or try throwing 98mph without using your muscles.

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    Go to the 2 minute mark & you will CLEARLY hear your narrative getting debunked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULFp...youtu.be&t=117
    What in' "narrative?" He has logged times as a junior sprinter in compe ion. Again, he was already an elite sprinter BEFORE he decided to dedicate himself full-time to it. It's not like he was primarily a soccer player and then said, "Hey. I think I'm going to try out sprinting!"

    Baseball wins again. This guy WASN'T a junior sprinter and is actually a complete neophyte to the world of sprinting after his baseball career flamed out:

    At 21 years of age, I felt depressed knowing that my future as a baseball player was over,” said Martinez. “I moved to Santo Domingo for athletics. I trained there during the week and played baseball at home in San Cristobal on the weekends.
    http://www.iaaf.org/news/feature/yan...public-100m-20

    Converted at 21 years of age and is posting sub-20.30 200m times

    Your boy was an elite junior sprinter at 17 years old. This guy never even saw a track until 21

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    What in' "narrative?" He has logged times as a junior sprinter in compe ion. Again, he was already an elite sprinter BEFORE he decided to dedicate himself full-time to it. It's not like he was primarily a soccer player and then said, "Hey. I think I'm going to try out sprinting!"
    Dumbass, he didn't know how to use a starting block a month before he ever competed & that compe ion was an international event where he finished 2nd.

    Your boy was an elite junior sprinter at 17 years old. This guy never even saw a track until 21
    A 24 yr old running SIGNIFICANTLY slower than a junior after the same amount of training.

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    Dumbass, he didn't know how to use a starting block a month before he ever competed & that compe ion was an international event where he finished 2nd.



    A 24 yr old running slower than a junior after the same amount of training.
    Your boy has 6 years of sprinting experience.

    The Dominican guy has only 2 and a half years of experience.

    Still doesn't matter. Gemili is NOT a professional soccer player. Hasn't played for 4 years.

    Show me a soccer player running faster than 23mph in game. I'll wait.

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    "Uh, it's an aerobic/stamina game."

    in' wow. Guess what, "dumbass," 102 year olds can run 10Ks (about the same distance a soccer player covers) in 90 minutes. Spin all you want about the 102 year old not having to sprint, laterally move, and such, but the point is, running is so in' easy that 102 year olds can post decent 10k times.
    Yeah, SPEED endurance is the same thing as ENDURANCE.

    Stick to eating pretzels & stuffing your mouth w/ wieners while you snooze through a besibol game.

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    Your boy has 6 years of sprinting experience.
    Gemili after 3 years of training: (Age 20)

    -100m: 10.06
    -200m: 19.98

    Martinez after 3 year of training: (Age 24)

    -100m: 10.15
    -200m: 20.19

    Now, run-tel-dat

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    Yeah, SPEED endurance is the same thing as ENDURANCE.

    Stick to eating pretzels & stuffing your mouth w/ wieners while you snooze through a besibol game.
    I actually don't snooze through baseball games because they actually score

    In 85,694 games — dangerously close to half the total — at least one of the teams forgot to score at all. That led Curley to an answer for one of his questions: “Soccer is a bit dull,” he told me.

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    Here's another example. Here's Robben, supposedly one of soccer's fastest sprinters:
    The Premier League's 10 fastest players

    With Olympic speedster Usain Bolt yearning for a tryout with Man United, the Sun has released an article about the fastest players in the Premier League and the winner is….(drum roll) Arsenal winger Theo Walcott. According to the research, Bolt managed to hit a maximum speed of 24.04 miles per hour during his World Championship runs in Berlin, and Walcott can reach a speed of 22.72 mph. Apparently Bolt slowed down a little at this summer’s Olympics where he won golds in the 100 and 200 meter races.

    What may surprise a lot of people is that former Gunner, Spurs, and Newcastle star Sol Campbell came in second at 22.50 mph. I’m not exactly sure how the speeds were calculated, but Castrol supposedly used information and data that they gathered over two Premier League seasons. Ex and current Chelsea stars Didier Drogba and Fernando Torres ranked third at 22.27 mph each. United's Wayne Rooney came in eighth at 21.82 mph.

    The stats say that Walcott can run 10.1 meters per second and if he could keep that pace up he could run the 100 meters in 9.9 seconds. Bolt’s world record was set in Berlin when he ran the 100 meters in 9.58 seconds. Campbell’s speed would see him run it in 10.1secs.
    According to Castrol, these are/were the 10 fastest players in the Premier League over the time of their study. Theo Walcott at 22.72 mph, Sol Campbell-22.50 mph, Didier Drogba and Fernando Torres-22.27 mph, Nicolas Anelka 22.05 mph, Cesc Fabregas 22.05 mph, Ashley Cole 22.05 mph, Gael Clichy-21.82 mph, Wayne Rooney 21.82 mph, Steven Gerrard-21.60 mph, and Robinho at 21.60 mph.

    Of course it’d be interesting to see how fast these players can run while also controlling the ball:


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    I actually don't snooze through baseball games because they actually score

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    Gemili after 3 years of training: (Age 20)

    -100m: 10.06
    -200m: 19.98

    Martinez after 3 year of training: (Age 24)

    -100m: 10.15
    -200m: 20.19

    Now, run-tel-dat
    What Premier league team does Gemili play for?

    Or does he play in La Liga? Bundesliga?

    This was one of your worst counterarguments ever, tbh.

    "I know. I'll search google and find the one guy that converted from minor league soccer to full-time sprinter and use his time to show soccer players are faster than baseball players!"

    All I want is one example of a soccer player running faster than 23.3 mph in game.

    Can you do that?

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    The Premier League's 10 fastest players

    With Olympic speedster Usain Bolt yearning for a tryout with Man United, the Sun has released an article about the fastest players in the Premier League and the winner is….(drum roll) Arsenal winger Theo Walcott. According to the research, Bolt managed to hit a maximum speed of 24.04 miles per hour during his World Championship runs in Berlin, and Walcott can reach a speed of 22.72 mph. Apparently Bolt slowed down a little at this summer’s Olympics where he won golds in the 100 and 200 meter races.

    What may surprise a lot of people is that former Gunner, Spurs, and Newcastle star Sol Campbell came in second at 22.50 mph. I’m not exactly sure how the speeds were calculated, but Castrol supposedly used information and data that they gathered over two Premier League seasons. Ex and current Chelsea stars Didier Drogba and Fernando Torres ranked third at 22.27 mph each. United's Wayne Rooney came in eighth at 21.82 mph.

    The stats say that Walcott can run 10.1 meters per second and if he could keep that pace up he could run the 100 meters in 9.9 seconds. Bolt’s world record was set in Berlin when he ran the 100 meters in 9.58 seconds. Campbell’s speed would see him run it in 10.1secs.
    According to Castrol, these are/were the 10 fastest players in the Premier League over the time of their study. Theo Walcott at 22.72 mph, Sol Campbell-22.50 mph, Didier Drogba and Fernando Torres-22.27 mph, Nicolas Anelka 22.05 mph, Cesc Fabregas 22.05 mph, Ashley Cole 22.05 mph, Gael Clichy-21.82 mph, Wayne Rooney 21.82 mph, Steven Gerrard-21.60 mph, and Robinho at 21.60 mph.

    Of course it’d be interesting to see how fast these players can run while also controlling the ball:

    Source looks kind of ty. Sorry, bro.

    I trust FIFA's data (they actually have sensor timing gates set up 40m apart):

    https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/wo...202540390.html

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    What Premier league team does Gemili play for?

    Or does he play in La Liga? Bundesliga?

    This was one of your worst counterarguments ever, tbh.

    "I know. I'll search google and find the one guy that converted from minor league soccer to full-time sprinter and use his time to show soccer players are faster than baseball players!"
    Big Dummy, you got ethered for claiming all you need is speed/endurance to play futbol when the a world class sprinter who trained since he was a kid couldn't make it.

    As far as your but Martinez "almost made it" narrative, Theo Walcott is the fastest player in the PL & youngest player in history to score a hat-trick for England.
    Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 07-24-2016 at 07:07 PM.

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    Source looks kind of ty. Sorry, bro.

    I trust FIFA's data (they actually have sensor timing gates set up 40m apart):

    https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/wo...202540390.html
    So you think white dudes are the fastest futbol players:

    Walcott is well known for his blistering pace,with former Barcelona manager Pep Guardiola declaring that "you would need a pistol to stop him."He has been likened by Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger to the club's all-time leading scorer, Thierry Henry.FIFA World Player of the Year winner Lionel Messi has described Walcott as "one of the most dangerous players I have ever played against."In addition to his speed, Walcott also possesses good balance, movement and technique.

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    Big Dummy, you got ethered for claiming all you need is speed/endurance to play futbol when the a world class sprinter couldn't make it.

    As far as your but Martinez "almost made it" narrative, Theo Walcott is the fastest player in the PL & youngest player in history to score a hat-trick for England.
    I have never claimed that. I believe soccer is a skill game first, athletic game second (the slowest player in a non-keeper position in the EPL is about as fast as David Ortiz. 16mph top sprint speed). I think the game takes more skill to play than something like American football for instance, where you can convert world class athletes into a great NFL player.

    This entire argument is centered on athleticism, you know, strength, speed, agility, stamina, leaping ability. Your crew constantly claims baseball players aren't athletic because a few players at specialist positions are fat. I obliterate that stupid in' argument, and the spinning and googling begins.

    Yeah, I'm a bit salty and have spent too much time on this bull , because I hate stupid in' arguments.

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    So you think white dudes are the fastest futbol players:
    You're right. Finally confirmed by FIFA

    With a maximum speed of 22.2 mph Walcott from Arsenal is ahead of Antonio Valencia from Manchester United FC with 21.9 mph and ahead of the 100 million euro man Gareth Bale who recorded 21.6 mph.
    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2013/09/23...f-valencia-an/

    Still slower than Billy, Trea, Trayce, Cespedes, and a few others in baseball

    And if you want to use "white boy" logic, then you would have to admit that a quick brother like Billy Hamilton or Terrence Gore would probably be a better sprinter than half white/Arab Gemili if they converted. Like I said, Orlando was about as fast as a junior sprinter as Gemili, and he gets torched by Gore on his own team.

    Still, Gemili isn't a soccer player, so this point is moot.

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    McHale was legit, and decimated Hakeem in the '86 Finals, but no, not comparable to Duncan. The writer can talk about Kevin's PPG all he wants, but 80's basketball didn't employ many double teams. Furthermore, 80's ball was played at a faster pace.

    If McHale played today, he'd be maybe a half-tier above a prime Pau Gasol. Top 20-30 player in the league.

    Duncan also easily bests McHale in PP100 stats, the only stat that should be used when comparing players of different eras.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...duncati01.html

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...mchalke01.html

    And McHale isn't in the same universe per Advanced metrics.
    Prime McHale would destroy Prime Jim. This, from a Laker Fan.

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    All the baseball players (that I know of) that would hold Walcott's record:

    Yoenis Cespedes: 23.6 mph
    Billy Hamilton: 23.3 mph
    Trea Turner: 22.7 mph
    Delino DeShields Jr.: 22.6 mph
    Terrance Gore: 22.4 mph
    Trayce Thompson: 22.3 mph


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    Prime McHale would destroy Prime Jim. This, from a Laker Fan.
    Shaq really couldn't, and you think the 215lb McHale could

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