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Pacers can have him. Where's he going to get 20+ minutes in SA unless there's an injury?
Maybe Dedmon is really a Dead Man, or Kyle suffers a setback... both I doubt, but...
I don't see this guy talking that noise to Pop and it flying.
Thomas Robinson has always been a headcase.
Pacers can have him. Where's he going to get 20+ minutes in SA unless there's an injury?
Maybe Dedmon is really a Dead Man, or Kyle suffers a setback... both I doubt, but...
I don't see this guy talking that noise to Pop and it flying.
To put it into context, he wanted more playing time on a Nets team with a ty frontline.
But on a team with Aldridge and Gasol, I doubt he'll make such a request.
Robinson did put up decent rebounding numbers when given the minutes. And he's actually a better rebounder than Dedmon. It's his rim protection ability (or lack thereof) that may give PATFO pause. He just doesn't seem to have the required instincts or timing to snuff out shot attempts. Even Terrence Jones is a far better rim protector than Robinson.
I think that's really the issue with Robinson. He probably has gotten interest from many teams but him being so upfront about game time demands means he's being inflexible. It could turn into a cancerous player if he's not playing over guys he thinks he's better than.
Now we know why this dude is still a FA
DO NOT WANT
True.......Now we know why this dude is still a FA
DO NOT WANT
I told y'all s a long time ago that the dude is a headcase. He's got that d Blair and sjax mentality. One of those players that think they're better than they really are. He might put up nice numbers but advanced stats show that he's fukin trash on defense.
he's young. he said he wants playing time and he wants to win. overreaction much? it's not like he said he thought he was one of the best free agents this summer.
The PF Stephen Jackson
Bumping up this link. It's indeed quite an interesting article. Puts in perspective Forbes and Arci's contracts, VanVleet who GSH was raving about and Gary Payton III who got a guaranteed contract from the Rockets after going undrafted. He was Kawhitstorm guy. All these guys could have gone in the lower 20 spots in the draft and instead refused to be stashed and got themselves contracts with teams that intended to give them an immediate opportunity.
Interesting to watch when the next CBA negotiations take place. Hopefully they incorporate the dleague into a better development system.
And that's probably why he's not here.
Isn't Jason Thompson available, he barely played for the Duds most likely b/c he isn't a screener/rim protector ala Bogut/Ezeli/Sideshow Bob but more like a PF version of Harrison Barnes. He was also pretty redundant w/ James Johnson in Toronto.
His hands leave something to be desired and he really shouldn't dribble too much, but he has a nice face-up jumper, he's a passionate if slightly suboptimal defender and he has good rebounding instincts. Over the past three seasons, Thompson has held new San Antonio Spur LaMarcus Aldridge to 44 percent shooting (88-199) over 11 regular season games. (Aldridge shot 47 percent overall in that time period.) If the Warriors are expecting a battle with the Spurs at some point next postseason, Thompson is a nice tool to use. (J.T. has also had some success marking Blake Griffin, especially as the Clippers star has transitioned to a face-up style.)
...damn, it looks like he isn't over himself:
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Is this true man? I really like Thomas R for us!
Very interesting and also something we've seen and discussed here a lot. Spurs drafted Cady because he told them he was OK spending time in the D-league. Arguably there were more talented players than him at the time but teams just don't want to draft players they're going to lose rights to after camp.
It would be beneficial if teams were given a couple more roster spots for developmental purposes only, thus being unable to sign vets to them, with a different pay scale, a different minimum, but much higher than the D-league salaries which are a joke. The money would come from the team's salary cap and teams should be obliged to use these roster spots, or at least some of them, say 2 out of 3 minimum. This way both teams and second round picks would have more security and a clearer plan for development. It would also increase the value of second round picks.
I'd sure like to know more about this.
Idk about the site but here it is
http://www.sportsrageous.com/nba/nba...-okafor/37190/
^Seems like a POS site to me.
Well, one thing I will say is that the article ignores the benefits of being stashed -- especially by a good club with strong ties overseas. In the Spurs' case, they obviously provide the best medical care they can to their stashed guys paying for multiple surgeries and rehabs for guys like Bertans, LJC, Richards and Jaktovas. There's no guarantee that a guy just trying to make a name for himself is going to get that care otherwise. Teams like the Spurs also use their pull to get their stashes into good overseas situations, which helps the players get paid more and get more exposure if the Spurs do not end up keeping them long-term.
They've had their share of players who didn't want to be stashed, too. Just look at the James Southerland/Deshaun Thomas situation for an example of that. Or for an even more failed example, look at Jack McClinton. And who knows if the Dangubic trade a couple of years ago was the result of the team not being able to find two guys they liked and who were willing to be stashed? I've been pretty open recently about my view that you should only stash guys who are already overseas and who may have the potential to develop down the line. So this development doesn't bother me too much.
That said, I've been a fan of a more comprehensive development league for a while, whether that's the d-league or a more explicit relationship with overseas leagues. You've obviously got to pay people more, both to keep the fringe talent stateside and to encourage fringe overseas talent to play in the d-league. The increased level of compe ion should lead to a better on-court product as well as an improved training environment.
The only issue with that is finding a way to make such a league profitable. I'm not sure there is room for 60 professional basketball teams in the US. With this being like a $200-Million-a-year investment, it's a big deal to find a way finance it. That's why having a foreign d-league would be preferable. But that comes with its own problems (mainly travel and visas). So maybe have two d-leagues, one in Canada and one in Mexico? Or have two in Canada, one in Mexico and one in the Caribbean? That would be too weird, but they have to figure out something.
True, but my impression is the article was more about NCAA players being drafted, not overseas players like the aforementioned four. There's a huge difference - these players were already playing professionally or were about to sign contracts with professional teams. They've got a job there and don't mind continuing doing it with the idea that someday they might jump to the NBA as they've generally been fringe talent, thus being selected late in the draft. NCAA players don't have this benefit so it's much more difficult for them being selected late and being told to travel to Europe/China, etc. and play for little money in teams not looking to develop them and help them. Even Spurs with all the connections with ASVEL were not exactly helping in LJC's development, he wasn't forcefed minutes and he looked like he desperately needed it but ASVEL had other goals.
Also, is there a NCAA player drafted by the Spurs and stashed overseas, who's come back and made the team? I can only think of Danny Green and that was during the lockout, not an NBA season.
Not even Green. He was already under contract with the Spurs, and he wasn't a draftee.
Anyway, I don't disagree that stashing works best for guys already overseas. I said as much in the second paragraph of the post you quoted. My point was more directed at the "If I fail, I go to Europe anyway, so what's the difference?" school of thought. The difference is that the Spurs look out for their draftees. You don't have to do it on your own. Despite the thought that you're stuck in Europe if your team doesn't sign you, players ALWAYS (meaning every season) have a unilateral right to take their tenders and force the NBA team to make a decision on them.
The simple question is this: Did DeShaun Thomas benefit from being a Spurs pick rather than a UDFA? Yes. Thomas made $750k in those two years. Now he can't seem to find a way to get an NBA contract. That's a much better pay scale than most of these guys are looking at. I mean, Southerland looks to have made less than $500k in that span. So now he and Thomas are both in the same boat, UFAs with some international success but with Thomas having cleared 50 percent more than Southerland. The players thinking about the short-term dollars aren't necessarily looking at things the right way.
The problem is that most fringe prospects don't want to believe they're fringe prospects. So they think they should get a spot if they compete hard enough. If you accept that you aren't good enough, letting an NBA sink money into helping you get started on a pro career overseas seems ideal. Marcus Denmon probably still uses his Spurs connections, and he's going into his fifth season as a stashee. And he wasn't going to be in the NBA now anyway, so I don't believe he missed out on any opportunity, especially since he could always tell the Spurs he's ready to take his shot ( , he could even do so this season).
He's nothing like Barnes and Johnson. He's more like a homeless man's version of Aldridge. For a guy who hasn't suffered a significant injury and should be in the prime of his career, it's amazing how fast he went from being considered a competent third big to a fringe player.Isn't Jason Thompson available, he barely played for the Duds most likely b/c he isn't a screener/rim protector ala Bogut/Ezeli/Sideshow Bob but more like a PF version of Harrison Barnes. He was also pretty redundant w/ James Johnson in Toronto.
...damn, it looks like he isn't over himself:
With the Raptors, it looked like he was attempting to transition into a stretch four, which is probably necessary to prolong his career.
I didn't watch the video, but he strikes me as borderline not Spurs material, much like Robinson.
spurs shoulda signed sergio rodriguez.
can't believe some of the passes i'm seeing him make.
Thomas Robinson sucks
I rather roll with Jarnell Stokes and Jean Charles than that bum.
I wouldn't be shocked though if Spurs have offered him a camp invite though
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