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    How is leading by example the tough part for Tony? Despite the garbage on here by a lot of folks regarding him, he is a fine example of someone who has sacrificed and gotten over himself. He's got the seniority and respect of his teammates.

    I think he and Manu will collectively take on some of this stuff, just in a different manner than Timmy.
    It's only nature he and Manu will be in the leadership role and fortunately their nature position will allow them to direct traffic quite a bit.

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    loveforthegame thanks for sharing that link.

    This is what Pop said at Timmy's press announcement:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17...ent-transcript
    So even though his production stat-wise wasn't the same, we won 67 games because he still was the center of everything we did on both ends of the court; even whether people scored more. So we'll miss that and have to figure it out. Other people will have to step up leadership-wise. That'll be a huge thing for us: Who's gonna step up and be that quiet leader that everybody responds to and respects and feeds off of? Not a lot of people can handle that. So we'll see how that goes.
    I think Pop is hoping Kawhi will step up, while at the same time remaining aware that the people-person part of leadership is probably not in his nature and he has to see how that goes. It is interesting for me as a fan to see this develop.

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    I think Kawhi will learn to lead. People dont take into account that when you play with the big 3, leadership is pretty much taken care of. I dont think hes going to let the course of his career take a dive because hes not vocal enough, hes come too far.

    He'll always lead by example but the way he gets the steals and the rebounds and always improves, he wont let someone who doesnt do those things, plus score mind you, to dictate to him how to play.

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    Here is the actual Tony interview. He only sounds eager to help the new players in this interview.



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    I think manu and pau - both are smart, unselfish leaders. Parker is too self-centered and Leonard and LMA too mentally dense

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    Geez so sensitive? I think Tony has struggled the most of the big 3 adapting his game is all. He still ballhogs more than he should for example.
    I am not sure how I came across as sensitive? I simply posted a response to something that I disagreed with that you wrote. Idk if you're confusing me with another poster or have thin skin (didn't think you did) but I don't think there was anything overly sensitive about that haha

    Anyway... the example you posted I don't buy entirely. I think everyone has their moments where they try to do too much. (those that handle the ball more often) Parker like TD gets ripped by Pop. In fact, out of the big 3 he has gotten it the worst. And he accepted it and allowed Pop to coach him that way. That in itself is huge for the young guys coming in.

    I just don't think leading by an example is something that he'll struggle with. He goes out there and competes (even put more effort on the defensive end) and takes orders from his coach without fussing.

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    It's only nature he and Manu will be in the leadership role and fortunately their nature position will allow them to direct traffic quite a bit.
    Agreed. And even off the court/the bench they can continue teaching and mentoring. I've seen both of them do it before, now they'll probably just do it a bit more

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    I am not sure how I came across as sensitive? I simply posted a response to something that I disagreed with that you wrote. Idk if you're confusing me with another poster or have thin skin (didn't think you did) but I don't think there was anything overly sensitive about that haha

    Anyway... the example you posted I don't buy entirely. I think everyone has their moments where they try to do too much. (those that handle the ball more often) Parker like TD gets ripped by Pop. In fact, out of the big 3 he has gotten it the worst. And he accepted it and allowed Pop to coach him that way. That in itself is huge for the young guys coming in.

    I just don't think leading by an example is something that he'll struggle with. He goes out there and competes (even put more effort on the defensive end) and takes orders from his coach without fussing.
    Good point. I wasn't attacking Tony myself but it was my perception that you thought I did. I now understand better what you meant.

    Anyways, I think he was genuine when he said he's looking forward to helping others adapt to the system. I was encouraged after seeing Tony's interview.

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    Manu is unquestionably the leader of this team now, not Parker.
    What does that have to do with Parker ready to take a bigger leadership role?

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    A leader not the leader, dumbass. Kawhi needs to lead the team (since he's the best player), but Tony, Manu and even Pau's veteran leadership is needed with so many young, inexperienced players coming a board this year.

    It really isn't an either/or situation because the team needs all of them to step up to at least somewhat fill Timmy's massive shoes.
    Last edited by J_Paco; 07-27-2016 at 01:48 PM.

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    What does that have to do with Parker ready to take a bigger leadership role?
    From my perspective, Manu's been a leader on the Spurs for years now. Leaders don't feel the need to say they are going to take bigger leadership roles, they just do it. All the talk is bull .

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    From my perspective, Manu's been a leader on the Spurs for years now. Leaders don't feel the need to say they are going to take bigger leadership roles, they just do it. All the talk is bull .
    Yet, you fail to realize that they both have been leaders on the team not just one or the other. The real leader is gone (Timmy), so now everyone else (including Popovich) needs to do more with Timmy's absence.

    They both will be vital in helping integrate the new players and helping Kawhi/LaMarcus in becoming the true leaders they have to become for the team to be successful. Pau is going to also be vital in that sense because he's also a 15 year veteran in the league, but Tony and Manu know the Spurs' culture and playbook inside - out.

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    Everyone is arguing that Kawhi, lma, parker, Manu will be the leader of the team. Watch it end up being bonner.

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    Everyone is arguing that Kawhi, lma, parker, Manu will be the leader of the team. Watch it end up being bonner.
    The team doesn't need one person to lead it since you have strong voices in Manu, Tony and Popovich still around. And the added benefit of a veteran, successful player like Pau Gasol coming on board with a high BBIQ and tons of experience.

    They do need to have Kawhi and LaMarcus become more vocal and begin to take on that responsibility as well. Those two are the best players on the team and need to eventually become leaders like Timmy, Tony and Manu.

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    Everyone is arguing that Kawhi, lma, parker, Manu will be the leader of the team.
    Player fans arguing among themselves, but I actually think it's a good thing to have so many candidates worthy of being leaders tbh

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    Geez so sensitive? I think Tony has struggled the most of the big 3 adapting his game is all. He still ballhogs more than he should for example.
    Ballhogs? He's had more assists than anyone on the team for 14 years in a row. How many players in history can say that? And he continues to take a back seat and not shoot as much as his team continues to get bounced from the playoffs in early rounds. He needs to just be alpha again like 2012-2014. Maybe we can make some more deep playoff runs.

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    From my perspective, Manu's been a leader on the Spurs for years now. Leaders don't feel the need to say they are going to take bigger leadership roles, they just do it. All the talk is bull .
    Manu's great and with 10,000 more minutes, he will have Parker's experience.

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    From my perspective, Manu's been a leader on the Spurs for years now. Leaders don't feel the need to say they are going to take bigger leadership roles, they just do it. All the talk is bull .
    Some players need to reassure themselves, tbh... he doesn't have a gold medal like Manu... maybe this summer...

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    Ballhogs? He's had more assists than anyone on the team for 14 years in a row. How many players in history can say that? And he continues to take a back seat and not shoot as much as his team continues to get bounced from the playoffs in early rounds. He needs to just be alpha again like 2012-2014. Maybe we can make some more deep playoff runs.
    Spurs are not making "deep playoff runs" with the oldest backcourt (A 34 year old Parker and 38 year old Ginobili) among all the contenders. They are not beating the Warriors with their backcourt, simple as that. Parker can be alpha all he wants, until they replace him with a player who can go toe to toe with Curry and CP3 they aren't making the finals.

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    From my perspective, Manu's been a leader on the Spurs for years now. Leaders don't feel the need to say they are going to take bigger leadership roles, they just do it. All the talk is bull .
    Parker was asked about leadership and he answered the question. Manu would have done the exact same thing.

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    Ballhogs? He's had more assists than anyone on the team for 14 years in a row. How many players in history can say that? And he continues to take a back seat and not shoot as much as his team continues to get bounced from the playoffs in early rounds. He needs to just be alpha again like 2012-2014. Maybe we can make some more deep playoff runs.
    All I hear is yada, yada. Even Brooklyn spurfan admitted the guy ballhogs and dribble, dribbles too much on occasion. He only qualified it stating that happens to a lot of players at times.... better to accept he's not perfect than to debate this to oblivion. I could leave you to yap at the wind.

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    Parker was asked about leadership and he answered the question. Manu would have done the exact same thing.
    Yeah, I see that now. I made my comments based on the headline. It's misleading actually. All he said in the article was that he was going to try to be a good leader. Fair enough and glad to hear it.

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    Actually TD influence on and off the court is too hard to be replaced completely by one person.
    Parker may help to acclimatize the newbies while Manu, Kawhi and LMA do their part elsewhere.

    Putting an arm over a teammate, giving instant in-game advice are some examples whereby the veterans can chip in.

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    All I hear is yada, yada. Even Brooklyn spurfan admitted the guy ballhogs and dribble, dribbles too much on occasion. He only qualified it stating that happens to a lot of players at times.... better to accept he's not perfect than to debate this to oblivion. I could leave you to yap at the wind.
    Have you seen the stats on his supposed "overdribbling"? He actually doesn't.

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    Spurs are not making "deep playoff runs" with the oldest backcourt (A 34 year old Parker and 38 year old Ginobili) among all the contenders. They are not beating the Warriors with their backcourt, simple as that. Parker can be alpha all he wants, until they replace him with a player who can go toe to toe with Curry and CP3 they aren't making the finals.
    They could make it to the WCF before meeting GS. They can also beat ChokeP3, as Parker has routinely over the years. If it's a second round match, you can pretty much guarantee the Clippers aren't winning.

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