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    Imo Dedmon must come through for the Spurs next season for us to be serious contenders. I believe he is the true X-factor. Consequently, I would rather have kept Bonner than signed Lee. Bonner would work much better WITH Dedmon.
    I really thought they were going with Bonner but if anything, them going with Lee means they have gone all in with Kyle/Bertans as bench 4s. Lee to me is an undersized small ball center, thus he's Dedmon insurance. LJC technically could play that role, but we all know he can't right now. He's just not ready.

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    No Andrew Bogut in games 6 or 7 for the Warriors.
    From what i remember of the 2015 finals... it wasnt bogut getting it done anyways.

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    I don't know why people are trying to push this idea that minimum contracts don't affect the cap, but it's coming from a place of ignorance. They do affect the cap, and for a guy like Lee, they affect if more than normal. Lee has the ninth-highest salary on the team, and if he is horrible or gets hurt of whatever, he'll likely have the 10th- or 11th-highest next year. For a team considering using cap space, it's a big deal. It's a REALLY big deal. Between that and Tim, the Spurs have $3 Million in cap space committed next summer to guys who might give the Spurs nothing (might not even be on the team depending on how things go). That's enough to fit in Anderson, Bertans, Simmons AND whichever UDFA makes the team -- combined.
    I think the second season is akin to Tim's. He was probably looking at offers of more $ elsewhere and besides selling Lee on a role of some kind, they had to offer him more money in some way.

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    I think the second season is akin to Tim's. He was probably looking at offers of more $ elsewhere and besides selling Lee on a role of some kind, they had to offer him more money in some way.
    Anyone know if it's a player or team option for 2nd year? I would think player, but just guessing.

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    I am not certain that Lee or Pop expects him to be a 14th or 15th man. If so, frankly, I would prefer Bonner.
    Yea, I doubt highly he's that low. That is probably LJC and one of the rookie guards... might be Murray if he's as raw as we saw in SL.

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    Anyone know if it's a player or team option for 2nd year? I would think player, but just guessing.
    It's player.

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    Either way, I think he will be motivated enough to get a higher deal and reject after this year especially with the current state of NBA contracts.

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    I think the second season is akin to Tim's. He was probably looking at offers of more $ elsewhere and besides selling Lee on a role of some kind, they had to offer him more money in some way.
    That's fine. That Lee might opt out is fine. But his contract isn't negligible, which seems to be what some people were trying to argue. The Spurs are probably done with roster improvements for a couple of seasons.

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    Wow! This signing even got the Spurs on PTI today. Well, kind of ... Wilbon and Rachel Nichols (subbing for Kornheiser) said "David Lee signs with the Spurs" ... then proceeded to talk about Lebron, Kobe, the Warriors, Cavs and Thunder, and spent about 10 seconds on David Lee. Nichols laughed at the signing because David Lee was never a star; Wilbon said good pickup for the Spurs to give depth behind Gasol.

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    Really, Lee is similar to West (as an aside, Lee is actually a better fit for the Warriors than West, who's as poor a fit with them as he was last season's Spurs; but who'd have been a much better fit with this season's Spurs.), in that even though there doesn't appear to be a clear fit in the rotation, through a variety of situations, he's going to end up soaking up a lot of regular season minutes.

    Outside of Anderson, who's probably close to a lock, the remaining bench front court minutes could easily be an ongoing compe ion throughout the season. Dedmon/Lee for backup center and Simmons/Bertans for backup forward.

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    That's fine. That Lee might opt out is fine. But his contract isn't negligible, which seems to be what some people were trying to argue. The Spurs are probably done with roster improvements for a couple of seasons.
    Huh? How on Earth can you assume SA is done with roster improvements for a couple of years based on their signings? Even if everyone opt in, all on only 2 year deals.

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    Is Chinook the new chumpdumper Tbh?

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    Huh? How on Earth can you assume SA is done with roster improvements for a couple of years based on their signings? Even if everyone opt in, all on only 2 year deals.
    So doesn't that play into what I just said? What does "a couple" mean to you?

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    Is Chinook the new chumpdumper Tbh?
    Wondering when you went blue, man.

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    Hes coming here to LA. Its pretty much well known by now. They practically have his locker all set up at Staples.

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    So doesn't that play into what I just said? What does "a couple" mean to you?
    Well if you are counting this year of their contract, ok, but that does not make sense to me since the added a lot to the roster this year.

    If the guys all opt in it would harm the Spurs only 1 year (the next after this one). So not a couple to me, but 1 year perhaps.

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    Perfectly fine with this signing as long as Pop doesn't overplay him (which is admittedly a concern). I agree with the idea of Lee being more of the 3rd center as opposed to the 2nd PF...and in that role, I don't think you could ask for much better for the price + lack of people left on the market.

    Kawhi/Simmons/Bertans
    Aldridge/Anderson/Bertans
    Pau/Dedmon/Lee

    Looks solid to me

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    Is Chinook the new chumpdumper Tbh?
    RC is the king of NBA budgeting. I think he looks past this year in his dealings.

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    Lee should be fine - I don't love him, but he's talented. Just not sure I like what his talent is .

    But there was really no one better once Terrence Jones got snatched up for that money.

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    Perfectly fine with this signing as long as Pop doesn't overplay him (which is admittedly a concern). I agree with the idea of Lee being more of the 3rd center as opposed to the 2nd PF...and in that role, I don't think you could ask for much better for the price + lack of people left on the market.

    Kawhi/Simmons/Bertans
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    Pau/Dedmon/Lee

    Looks solid to me
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    Well if you are counting this year of their contract, ok, but that does not make sense to me since the added a lot to the roster this year.

    If the guys all opt in it would harm the Spurs only 1 year (the next after this one). So not a couple to me, but 1 year perhaps.
    Yeah, but people were talking Paul and Westbrook next summer. I think it's more likely now that the biggest contract is Mills or Dedmon getting a raise.

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    Yeah, but people were talking Paul and Westbrook next summer. I think it's more likely now that the biggest contract is Mills or Dedmon getting a raise.
    For sure - the potential for SA to have no shot at truly adding to the roster next year is definitely there, but that is just one year.

    I do think that it's pretty unlikely that all the guys opt in but the most important one is Pau. Have to see how he fits and SA may want to keep him. Plus, for 2 years in a row now, SA has traded someone to help free up space.

    If Pau opts in (and he's healthy and fit well) SA could still free up his money by moving TP or Danny and be in the same as if he opted out (or close). It's definitely a tougher path that will cost players if all of them opt in, but there are ways as you know.

    I mean, the guys like Dedmon hopefully do opt in because having cheap role players is great, but that probably only happens if they play bad which means SA might not want them

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    Yea, I doubt highly he's that low. That is probably LJC and one of the rookie guards... might be Murray if he's as raw as we saw in SL.
    That's the problem. If he is not the 14th or 15th guy, then one or more of our young guys will not get the playing time they need to develop. You, yourself, have preached that at some point you have to throw them in the river and kind of sink or swim with them. You can't just keep yanking the young guys out of games and sitting them at the end of the bench for extended periods because they make a turnover or miss a defensive rotation. You gotta coach 'em up and deny the instinct to rush to an old veteran.

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    He doesn't Pop. He's a roller and so is Dedmon. He's an undersized center.
    Lee has a decent mid range shot for sure. He is capable of it. He's more of a roller, but he can hit definitely knock down the mid range shot. I watched him often being here in NY, he can knock it down.

    http://vorped.com/1-nba/2015-2016/pl...lee/shotchart/

    Smaller sample size, but considering he'll get decent looks in our offense, he should capitalize

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