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Why not?
I wonder if we focused a little more on post ups and Isos to further develop Kawhi and to get Lamarcus acclimated to the system. Most of starting unit is not known as being exceptional passed but Pau can pass and if they get the ball moving, we have shooters. Pau can also roll to the basket very well so that opens up the aspect of getting the ball moving again if we choose to play that way. Not gonna focus on the pick and pop or high low. Last year we severely lacked players that could effectively roll and I think that's another reason we went more the way we did. You put Manu in for Green and Patty for Parker and you got a pretty capable team to move the ball. I think this year we'll see an increase of ball movement. Imo it will be a balancing act between getting Leonard his looks, Aldridge his looks and Pau his. Alot is solved though if you just run the pick and roll and just let who's open shoot . Pop said last year he envied the warriors ball movement and the key to that is the pick and roll. Now we have the players that can effectively roll, Gasol, Dedmon, and Lee. Last year we had none. I think this year the plan is to remain strong defensively but get the offense better looks. Yeah I guess Boban could roll well and he did when he played, but that's when he played. I don't want to bring back the beautiful game if it's not there but that's our brand. It use to be defense but now we've built on that and added the precision and paying. I hope we go back this year. We have the pieces. Pau is good passer, is he better than Splitter? And Kyle can pass too, he just needs to be put in pivotal positions like draymond.
Why not?
Don't know about the starters, but if the bench guys learn how to play with each other and Manu stays relatively healthy we might see it from them
Manu, Mills, Bertans, KA, Lee are all competent passers and high IQ players, and Dedmon's great at rolling to the basket (wich is something that as we all know fits well with Manu but also Kyle)
Share this thought about the starters. Not great passers but I wonder if Pau rolling to the basket will be enough to just get the ball rolling. Tony, Kawhi, and Green already have experience in that system so at least they'll make the simple play, it's the deadeye passes that get the layup or the open three that I wonder if they can do.
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I second the motion of the second unit running more of a fluid motion offense, that group will actually spread the floor better.. That 1st unit is going to be PnR Galore with back cuts but I envision a lot of long twos from practically everyone but Kawhi and Green.
This is an interesting site:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...the-nba/#spurs
The addition of bertans is the only sign we're going to use the so called pace and space. He's really ideal for that. Everything else says it's bully the bigs again. Interior passing is great, but I'd imagine the correct term for our offense will be:
Smart man's classy four down. That is there will be some motion, some mid-range, but it all starts with the post mid-range threat
if we trade tp for rubio.
God I would love to see it. It was the purest form of basketball seen in the league in many years as cited by Lebron James and Chris Bosh after their defeat in 14. The proof of the pudding is that some very good teams like GSW and Cleveland began to use the passing game in their repertoire.
A non shooting guard? Do you even know what the beautiful game takes? Shooters. !!!# if you're going to entertain fantasy transactions at least lick a guy with an outside shot.
he'll move the ball you stupid .
If mills and Green regain their form, Bertans is solid, and Anderson has indeed improved his 3, then Spurs have a good amount of downtown threats. pau is also an excellent passer and Spurs have some bigs who can work on a PnR now. I think we will see some definitely and maybe not see so many games that we only score 18 points in the first
but he can't shoot
i'd take rubio who can't shoot over tp who can't even dream of passing like rubio.
The beautiful game wasn't from great passing and shooting, it was from great pick-setting. I'd love to see that happen, but the reality is that this team is full of aging veterans who don't play defense, young stars who don't set picks or pass, and really really young and inexperienced guys off the bench. The 2014 team was veterans who play great defense, an entire roster of guys who set picks and pass, and a bench full of really seasoned guys who knew the system back and forwards.
Beautiful and so slooooow . . .
I'll join in your conversation. I don't know what to expect. The team is apparently going to have more post ups anyways and have looked for players who post up. Not only has Pop added post up bigs to the team in the past couple of seasons, he has also sought to develop a post up game in his young forwards. I think this is part of a desire by Pop to slow the game down while getting a good look for the team, as well as getting advantage of the abilities of the best players. However, the fact that Pop has had young guys develop a post up game who previously didn't rely on that to score, makes me think the post up is here to stay no matter what.
The beautiful game included post ups from Boris too, the issue is Boris was deadly attacking undersized players and passing as soon as he drew help. We shall see how our new crop of bigs handles this.
I think the modern-day switching defenses have also made it so that sometimes out of a pick, all you get is a mismatch. Players have to attack it bc sometimes that's the best shot you get and others won't be open at the 3. Not having a real threat on the roll was a factor last season as Manutres and others pointed out. Not having a guard who could exploit the switch with a big was another.
Guys in between, mainly the forwards need to exploit the mismatch in different ways, either going inside and at least drawing a foul on the post over an overwhelmed smaller defender or pull up for an outside shot if a big wants to prevent a drive. The forward IMO is the most versatile spot in bball bc they can do so many things. They are not as terribly disadvantaged defensively as the small or big guy on a mismatch, but they also don't have a huge mismatch advantage offensively, so it looks different on the other end. The team added two PnR bigs this season, but guards are still sketchy. Until Dijon comes of age (or Pop adds younger guards in FA) I guess the team will feature a forward centric style bc our main guards are just too old.
Manu may get away with the PnR in the RS but in the post season teams will figure out he's not that threatening if you take away the pass and scheme him out which is why I would rather see Manu teach someone younger to run the PnR than to see him do it himself. Hopefully we see Dijon through the season. I have less hope on JSimms but he should get a stab at it too.
Bottom line, I think Pop wants to go back to moving the ball and he's added shooters, passers, rollers and slashers, but some guys are too young, others too old and the ones in their prime are the forwards so we will still see a lot of plays for the forwards.
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Correct me if im wrong but is this not the Paul Pressey innovation applied to a whole team?
Kudos! Im learning a lot from your, more power!
Not sure we'll ever see it again tbh.
Ball stopped a lot with LMA and Kawhi. I expect it to get better as I don't think either are selfish players but Gasol will take time in his own right. Boris being gone from the second unit will also hurt.
If this core can stay together then there is a chance next year but i don't see that level of continuity this season.
That takes time to really get right. With so many new faces, I don't have much hope for this year, but a Mills/Forbes/other shooting guard, Murray, Bertans, Anderson Dedmon bench has the potential to be around for a long time. I could definitely see something beautiful growing out of that.
Highly doubt it. Every player on the floor has to be a creative or at least very willing passer with elite natural bball instincts. We've got some finishers for sure, but the ball won't be moving around like it did then any time soon. More often I'd guess we'll be relying on our elite passers to make that one correct pass/hockey assist (outside of us of course relying on tons of isos from Kawhi/LMA) , as opposed to the way the system flowed so effortlessly in 2014. Please let Manu stay healthy next season
Last edited by John Petrucci; 07-31-2016 at 12:04 AM.
^^ The chemistry aspect is well brought up as well as the team's iden y and Pop's experiments. It's going to be interesting to see how it all comes together.
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