Both sides are in the pockets of the donors - neither side is doing what is good for the American worker. No one was saying anything about the trade deals until Bernie and Trump. Jeff Sessions, who was previously for TPP, has changed his mind so hopefully more senators/representatives will come around.
Do you think the money would be going toward whoever was preaching closing up our borders (ending the donors' cheap labor) and changing the trade deals that favor the donors and move our jobs out of the country? You guys want to make it all about Trump's personality and disregard the good his policies would do for the American worker. Instead, you'd rather back Clinton and her known ties to Wall Street, etc. to the detriment of Americans.
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I hope Trump eviscerates Hillary on TPP and NAFTA. For me, that is the biggest issue of this election. I dont want flipflopping and excuses: no matter who wins, i need a strong NO to TPP at bare minimum. I will literally vote for whichever candidate opposes TPP more fiercely when the issue is posed on debate night(s).
Trump is a hypocrite at bare minimum. It will be easy to counter the point where he would tear into Hillary for being for TPP. She will call bull on him based on the fact he outsources his own jobs overseas, has his clothes and product made overseas.
Imo being a flip flopper (Hillary now says she's against TPP) is better than actually doing everything you say you are against which Trump absolutely is.
I can't make sense of someone who says they're against TPP but at the same time does exactly what the trans pacific partnership is all about. So which is it Trump?
This is why I think this is not an effective attack if I'm Trump. Easy to rebuke.
And when it was Bernie vs Hillary, who did the money go to? Did the money go to the more honest, upstanding candidate? Nope - clearly the donors don't want anyone messing with the trade deals that benefit them. They want Hillary who will continue to do their bidding - not a candidate funded by the little person (or self-funding, in Trump's case).
It doesn't matter to you that people have pointed out--prove that Trump self finding his campaign is just a myth.
He didn't self funded his primary campaign and he sure as not going to self fund his general election campaign where he's looking at spending at least a couple of hundred millions.
As an independent, I hope he does bring it up, and I hope he does get rebuked. That is how we move forward and bring light to the real problems. In this case, literally every business owner or stockholder in America who supports exporting jobs in the name of the bottom line needs to feel the heat. It should be a taboo. I understand it wont be changed overnight, but it has to start somewhere sometime.
Regardless, both of them should feel stupid and untrusted, because by and large that is what most Americans (at least to some degree) think of them. They are the two most unpopular candidates in history for a reason.
At this point, I'm all for Bernie and Ted running as independents and let the chips fall where they may....
Please show me a link where Trump's primary was different from Bernie's financially except for spending more of his own money than Bernie did. Trump never was going to self-fund the general election campaign - what you expect him to match Hillary's $2billion when most of his assets are in illiquid real estate.
Ay ay ay. Here we go again.
Trump gave himself a loan and passed it as self funding. He is expected to get most of that money he ponied up back.
It’s worth noting a couple more caveats. First, Trump’s self-financing only really picked up in the last three months of 2015. From the start of his campaign in April through October last year, individual contributions made up about 67 percent of total money raised for his campaign.
Other media outlets who looked at this claim before the most recent FEC filings concluded that Trump’s claim was inaccurate because, at the time, most of his funding was coming from individual contributions.
But in the last quarter, Trump gave his campaign a $10.8 million loan, turning that balance around.
That brings us to the second caveat: The vast majority of Trump’s contributions to his own campaign — about $12.6 million — are loans rather than donations. This means he could expect to eventually recoup these funds.
Further, of the approximately $12 million Trump’s campaign spent in 2015, about $2.7 million went toward reimbursing Trump-affiliated companies for services provided to the campaign, such as traveling in his own plane and helicopter, according to a New York Times analysis.
Furthermore..Trump has SuperPacs. They dont contribute as much but..
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...campaign-sort/
Organization Pro/Against Type Total Raised Make America Great Again PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $1,742,684 Patriots for Trump Pro-Trump SuperPAC $131,623 Bring Back American Opportunity Pro-Trump SuperPAC $179 Americans for Greatness Pro-Trump SuperPAC $0 Committee to Restore America's Greatness Pro-Trump SuperPAC $500,093 American National Trump SuperPAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $12,966 Our Principles PAC Anti-Trump SuperPAC $19,006,033 Crippled America Pro-Trump SuperPAC $12,677 Great America PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $5,073,027 NeverTrump PAC Anti-Trump SuperPAC $307,545 Dump Terrifying Rhetoric Undermine Mainstream Poli Anti-Trump SuperPAC $0 Trump Victory Pro-Trump PAC $64,971 Committee for American Sovereignty Pro-Trump SuperPAC $45,435 Rebuilding America Now Pro-Trump SuperPAC $2,160,450 TrumPAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $0 Make America Great Pro-Trump SuperPAC $0 HC4DT Pro-Trump SuperPAC $0 Trumpet! PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $0 America's Trump Card SuperPAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $0 Let's Trump Politics Pro-Trump SuperPAC $0 Trump USA Super PAC Pro-Trump SuperPAC $0 TuckFrump.com Anti-Trump SuperPAC $0 Make America Great Again Pro-Trump 501c4 $0 Women Vote Trump Pro-Trump SuperPAC $0 Donald J Trump for President Pro-Trump Campaign $88,997,986
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/c...p?id=N00023864
Tall tale, as I said.
Closing the borders is not a position that is unique to Donald Trump. Other GOP politicians have preached that position and done fine with donors. Same with "moving the jobs back."
Money is not flowing his way because people who have something to lose know he will be a disaster.
Where exactly do you expect him to get the money to pay back the loans he has loaned himself? And do you think that he should not make use of his own property, facilities, plane, etc for his campaign? He should instead of using his own ballroom at Doral, rent out a similar facility or instead of using his own jet, fly commercial? I see that as running a lean, mean campaign and using good business sense. And what exactly is wrong with donations from small donors - you knock Trump for people sending him donations but not Bernie? I can tell you that he did not start soliciting donations until well after the primaries - June 17 (iirc) and even then most of his solicitations are with matches from him.
Trump announced his candidacy on June 16, 2015 so I don't see how this article can say he started his campaign in April. And you don't list when these SuperPacs started (before or after the primaries) - not that it matters as he has denounced SuperPacs, and I don't think he has any real control over them.
Hey I just provided you with proof backed by links and facts that he didn't just self funded his primary campaign out of the goodness of his heart. If you cant cope with the fact, dont look at me.
Add Bloomberg and Buffett to the Clinton train
Winners sticking together tbh
I guess you really want Congress selecting Cruz in January.
no, running away from Trash.Add Bloomberg and Buffett to the Clinton train
Winners sticking together tbh
Winners stick together to enrich/protect/empower themselves to screw the non-winners.
yep.
Let's make murica great!!!!
Amen. I am not officially a Independent. I'm a Democrat, non party loyalist.
If trump was a Democrat, i would not vote for him.
I do not love Hilary as a candidate if she was Republican I would vote for her if Trump were a Democrat.
I thought Bernie has some great ideas but he would have been just as unsuccessful as Obama at implementing them.
This for me is choosing between bad and worse so I choose bad, and side with Hilary.
Trump has 3 months to change my mind. But based on his antics and temperament I dont see it.
He had the lead after RNC and squandered it away with dumb comments ...
I really dont see how anyone can trust this clown. He cant even hold on to a lead in the polls by taking the higher road.
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