Assange vs Clinton

[boutons_deux]

Yeah! Only America is allowed to interfere in the governance of other states!

America's Golden Rule of Empire: USA does unto others, but others absolutely must not do unto USA.

[ElNono]

lol @ "weaponized"... Shillary reaped what she sowed... and you would think the Democratic party would be better served looking at the future, without shady characters like DWS, thanks largely to these leaks, but they probably think the problem is that their got leaked, not that the ones actively "weaponizing" an election from within the party gave them a black eye.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I came in here to on Reck but looks like that isn't necessary

[StrengthAndHonor]

You guys are kidding me, right? Do we need evidence to know that Michael Jackson liked to pedo it up once in a while? Do we need more evidence that Cosby is a serial rapist? These are things we know. He's guilty as regardless of not being found guilty yet. Just like when Simpson got off scott free even though he was guilty as .You sound like one of those far right wingers denying the fact this man is not some pillar of truth as you are led to believe. Sweden is trying to follow simple procedures. He's being accused of rape..he's been served a warrant..he ignored it and fled.That in itself doesn't seem like what an innocent man would do. Like I said on my other post. Maybe keep your in your pants and you wouldn't find yourself in a situation where you're trapped. Let's remember we are talking about a man willing to exposed anybody no matter the cost, yet we are to believe he's not capable of forcing himself on a woman? Now who's been naive..

"He's guilty because I said so"

[pgardn]

Assange is an anti-establishment anarchist, which I strongly side with versus a corporate war monger. He exposes war crimes. She is complicit in them.

Too bad there isn't a poll ITT. Assange is the clear favorite in this matchup, imo.

BS

He and wiki leaks have already taken stolen information FROM government agencies that specialize in hacking. He is willfully getting information and staying in business because governments have gotten so good at stealing information. This guy has absolutely no conscience other than self promotion. Donald Trump mentality.

[Th'Pusher]

lol @ "weaponized"... Shillary reaped what she sowed... and you would think the Democratic party would be better served looking at the future, without shady characters like DWS, thanks largely to these leaks, but they probably think the problem is that their got leaked, not that the ones actively "weaponizing" an election from within the party gave them a black eye.

I'm not abdicating the DNC of any culpability. I'm simply saying that if a foreign government is purposefully leaking information to wiki leaks in an effort to influence an election it's a different conversation than whether or not one supports transparency from our Government.

[ElNono]

I'm not abdicating the DNC of any culpability. I'm simply saying that if a foreign government is purposefully leaking information to wiki leaks in an effort to influence an election it's a different conversation than whether or not one supports transparency from our Government.

I'm 100% cool with that though. Secrecy has never been the answer. If it costs them an election, maybe they'll eventually figure it out.

[boutons_deux]

I'm 100% cool with that though. Secrecy has never been the answer. If it costs them an election, maybe they'll eventually figure it out.

head Cheney went back classified many Ms of govt do ents that had been in the public domain. Repugs are as guilty as anyone about secrecy.

TSA and other rightwingnut assholes here are salivating for a Trash victory, one way or the other.

[Splits]

I'm not abdicating the DNC of any culpability. I'm simply saying that if a foreign government is purposefully leaking information to wiki leaks in an effort to influence an election it's a different conversation than whether or not one supports transparency from our Government.

Yeah, it's much more harmful than bombing the out of them or supporting military coups.

[TheSanityAnnex]

head Cheney went back classified many Ms of govt do ents that had been in the public domain. Repugs are as guilty as anyone about secrecy.

TSA and other rightwingnut assholes here are salivating for a Trash victory, one way or the other.

Name me one Republican that set up a private server in their own house to sidestep FOIA

[Reck]

On the one hand, Assange is being unfairly hounded by the US and allies. The establishment doesn't like leaks and wants to discourage potential whistle-blowers.

On the other hand, Assange has moved away from the original Wikileaks model of curating information before releasing what is appropriate. He is now a loose cannon that has been criticized by Glenn Greenwald and others for being reckless and sensationalist. He's on record saying that if Afghan informants in Taliban territory get killed as a result of his leaks, "they've got it coming". He goes on propaganda outlets like Russia Today and encourages conspiracy theories. One of Assange's close associates, Israel Shamir handed over leaked info to a pro-Putin Belarussian dictator who used it to imprison and torture political opponents. Assange admitted that he was the one who encouraged Snowden to go to Russia rather than Latin America which was Snowden's first preference.

Assange isn't being held accountable for peddling fiction and for behaving like a puppet for Putin and his allies. Just like Trump, coincidentally.

This is a good post.

The bad far outweights whatever good this guy ever did.

Whether Sweden gets a hold of him first or the US doesn't make a bit of difference to me. Good riddance either way.

Hillarious reading people pointing fingers at someone but at the same time defending this guy.

[TheSanityAnnex]

This is a good post.

The bad far outweights whatever good this guy ever did.

Whether Sweden gets a hold of him first or the US doesn't make a bit of difference to me. Good riddance either way.

Hillarious reading people pointing fingers at someone but at the same time defending this guy.

How can you even comment on what bad or good he's done when you've clearly demonstrated in this thread you know all about him?

[Reck]

How can you even comment on what bad or good he's done when you've clearly demonstrated in this thread you know all about him?

Just like you know all about Comey, Benghazi, Hillary's emails, etc.

Pull the trigger bro.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Just like you know all about Comey, Benghazi, Hillary's emails, etc.

Pull the trigger bro.

You embarrassed yourself in this thread and continued to double down on stupid only to get your pushed in again and again. I've always thought you might be trolling me by being purposely dumb but after watching you from the outside this time I realized it's not a schtick, you just aren't bright.

[Reck]

You embarrassed yourself in this thread and continued to double down on stupid only to get your pushed in again and again. I've always thought you might be trolling me by being purposely dumb but after watching you from the outside this time I realized it's not a schtick, you just aren't bright.

Are you stupid? Where did I get embarrased?

You have this mentality where everything is lose or win. You're projecting.

Were you bullied when you were young or something? Seems to me you have a problem with reality. You see something where theres nothing to be seem.

You calling anyone else not bright. LOL

[TheSanityAnnex]

Are you stupid? Where did I get embarrased?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262603

[Reck]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262603

All I see is a people for and against Assange case. By your same stupid logic, ElNono is getting destroyed because he has been posting with 3 different posters against his point.

You're a laughing stock TSA.

[TheSanityAnnex]

All I see is a people for and against Assange case. By your same stupid logic, ElNono is getting destroyed because he has been posting with 3 different posters against his point.

You're a laughing stock TSA.

There is a difference between differing opinions and being told you are flat out wrong and don't know what you are talking about. The latter occurred ITT.

[Reck]

There is a difference between differing opinions and being told you are flat out wrong and don't know what you are talking about. The latter occurred ITT.

So a person calls me wrong then that must mean I am? Holy dude can you be more 1 dimensional?

I dont live by random's people words on the internet. For example, you are wrong 99% of the time yet you think you're always right.

Now there's a conundrum. This proves how weak minded you are.

You're not meant to be using the internet where millions and millions of people have different ideas and opinions.

[Th'Pusher]

I'm 100% cool with that though. Secrecy has never been the answer. If it costs them an election, maybe they'll eventually figure it out.

You're cool with foreign governments influencing US elections? Seriously?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So a person calls me wrong then that must mean I am? Holy dude can you be more 1 dimensional?

I dont live by random's people words on the internet. For example, you are wrong 99% of the time yet you think you're always right.

Now there's a conundrum. This proves how weak minded you are.

You're not meant to be using the internet where millions and millions of people have different ideas and opinions.

Being proven wrong isn't negated by the fact it was done by a random person.

[ElNono]

You're cool with foreign governments influencing US elections? Seriously?

I'm 100% cool when "a foreign government is purposefully leaking information". If the consequence of all that leaked dirt happens to influence or change an election outcome, so be it.

Frankly, Democrats should be thankful, regardless of what happens with this election. This is an opportunity to clean up the party from all that , and learn from it going forward.

Heck, Shillary is probably rock bottom already, tbh...

[TheSanityAnnex]

You're cool with foreign governments influencing US elections? Seriously?

Compared to our government supporting coups to overthrow elected leaders in other countries? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Reck]

Being proven wrong isn't negated by the fact it was done by a random person.

WTF does that even mean? El and I talk about different all the time. This is hardly our first interaction.

You're shook. Take a moment.

[ElNono]

Heck, if anything, it's merely payback...

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/08/143343...ar-this-moscow

'Murica just has short memory, tbh...