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  1. #176
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    Playing baseball or soccer is fun but both are boring to watch, as is golf. Tennis is okay when the level of play is high but not with average players.

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    Yeah, throwing nobody out ever due to taking your time to make sure you never risked throwing the ball away after fielding like ?

    If you're just standing there and casually throwing to the base it's not hard. . .but if you're playing SS and have to rush to your right to field a ground ball and only have a tiny window to fire off an accurate hard throw on target. . .95%? Bull . Only if all your throws don't get there in time because you took too long to get the throw off to make sure it's accurate.

    In which case you have failed before the ball even left your hand.

    Throwing a ball: Not hard. Just like shooting a basketball or throwing a football isn't hard. Making a proper throw or shot in a pro game with everything going on? Yeah that is hard.
    According to mid it is hard though. Apparently there's some complex beauty behind the simple act of throwing a baseball that prevents the average joe like me from making those throws. Another example of him trying to overcomplicate an otherwise slow, boring game imo.

    Btw Im nowhere close to fielding as well as a MLF shortstop but I could probably field some routine ground balls. So could a lot of average people who aren't uncoordinated tbh.

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    According to mid it is hard though. Apparently there's some complex beauty behind the simple act of throwing a baseball that prevents the average joe like me from making those throws. Another example of him trying to overcomplicate an otherwise slow, boring game imo.

    Btw Im nowhere close to fielding as well as a MLF shortstop but I could probably field some routine ground balls. So could a lot of average people who aren't uncoordinated tbh.

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    I started reading it and after seeing that it was the same bull that I have already on many times I got bored. Baseball is just a matchup between a guy pitching and a guy trying to get lucky by getting a hit 1 out of 3 times to be considered "elite". This game is just too limited and static to have any kind of important level of complexity. There's just not enough variables to be had.
    but but

    the double switch
    shifting 'defenses' a couple of feet (the most exercise most of them get all game)
    the laces on the ball
    the angle of the pitcher's arm
    the art of chewing sunflower seeds while sitting in the dugout
    the art of the rally hat

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    but but

    the double switch
    shifting 'defenses' a couple of feet (the most exercise most of them get all game)
    the laces on the ball
    the angle of the pitcher's arm
    the art of chewing sunflower seeds while sitting in the dugout
    the art of the rally hat

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    the art of the rally hat
    The fanboy moron Pelicans78 probably believes in this tbh

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    What midnightpulp thinks they look like

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    just went back and read that mid called a QB reading defense a guessing game? ... is that why the same qb's are successful over decades because they're masterful at reading defenses?

    thats like saying poker is all luck even though you see the same faces on final tables year after year

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    crowd getting thrilled at nothing happening


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    for an ADD-ridden brain, maybe


    I've never seen someone struggle this hard with the concept of a tie, tbh...I guess a game having three possible outcomes instead of two is just too much for fatball fans simpleton minds to fathom
    It's funny you criticize me for being ADD when I'm the one defending baseball.

    My problem with floppytrot isn't necessarily non-scoring. It's with its outdated design, high luck factor, and Mario Party.

    "But they run around so it's good!"

    And the point of sports is to declare to winner. Ties are against compe ive spirit.

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    just went back and read that mid called a QB reading defense a guessing game? ... is that why the same qb's are successful over decades because they're masterful at reading defenses?

    thats like saying poker is all luck even though you see the same faces on final tables year after year
    Yeah, QBs never guess, that is why they never get sacked, throw interceptions, throw the ball away, or are otherwise baited into doing something stupid.

    Pre-Snap reads are guessing games (i.e. "We know from film the defense blitzes 70% of the time here..."). For a supposed foooobaw junkie, you don't really know much about the sport.

    Can they adjust post snap? Sure. But it's much harder to do if your initial pre-snap read was dead wrong and if your offensive line doesn't give you and the offense enough time to adjust. Many times, "scrambling plays" are plays the defense locked up (by "guessing" correctly), but the QB/O-Line created enough time for the receivers to beat their defenders (any great receiver will eventually get open).

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    crowd getting thrilled at nothing happening


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    According to mid it is hard though. Apparently there's some complex beauty behind the simple act of throwing a baseball that prevents the average joe like me from making those throws. Another example of him trying to overcomplicate an otherwise slow, boring game imo.

    Btw Im nowhere close to fielding as well as a MLF shortstop but I could probably field some routine ground balls. So could a lot of average people who aren't uncoordinated tbh.
    It is hard.

    Sure, making the throw is "easy" if all you have to do is lob it over to the 1st baseman at 40-60mph. But once you start cranking up the velocity, your accuracy will tank. Maintaining a .950 fielding percentage will require many throws to be in the 80-90mph range. You can't throw that hard with accuracy from 110 feet.

    Russell Wilson threw out a first pitch not too long ago. And he was "try hard" in his effort. Speed? 75mph.

    Baseball isn't overly complicated. No sports really are, even football. Sports are firstly about athleticism and skill.

    I'm just arguing against the idea that baseball has no strategy and tactics (terms the soccer crew has trouble understanding, as well). Baseball is very long on strategy, much deeper than basketball in fact.

    Tactically, it's less diverse than a goal sport with regard to improvising into secondary, tertiary, etc choices, but the execution of said tactics have to be performed with a much greater attention to detail and precision than many other team ball sports because chances are limited (A basketball star going 0-4 will get 15-25 more "chances" to produce. A baseball hitter is typically done after 4 offensive chances. Miss a tackle? Not usually that big of a deal. NFL teams miss about 8 tackles per game on average (not to mention blown coverages and the like). A baseball team committing 8 errors per game would be toast. Basketball star shooting 50%? Great. NFL QB completing 65% of his passes? Great. Pitchers need to have about a 70%/30% ratio of getting batters out-to-allowing baserunners to be considered "good.")

    Really, what the baseball hater's argument boils down to is that it's not like a goal sport, with a bunch "moving around." Fair enough. Everyone has their own aesthetic preferences, but the other arguments ITT are just laughably stupid.

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    crowd getting thrilled at nothing happening

    Clutch.

    And WAYYYY harder to do than running through a truck wide hole the fatasses on the line created for you.

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    I started reading it and after seeing that it was the same bull that I have already on many times I got bored. Baseball is just a matchup between a guy pitching and a guy trying to get lucky by getting a hit 1 out of 3 times to be considered "elite". This game is just too limited and static to have any kind of important level of complexity. There's just not enough variables to be had.
    Basketball is shallower than baseball. Strategically, baseball makes basketball look like a joke. And tactically, you can get away with more one note tactics in basketball than you can in baseball.

    "They move around and there's plays and stuff, so it must be 'complex.' "

    Just stick to your goal sports, you're out of your element here.

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    What midnightpulp thinks they look like
    The girls are right.


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    The fanboy moron Pelicans78 probably believes in this tbh
    Wow I'm still living rent-free in your head. You can't go one day without mentioning me. If I blow you a kiss, will you feel better?

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    Yeah, QBs never guess, that is why they never get sacked, throw interceptions, throw the ball away, or are otherwise baited into doing something stupid.

    Pre-Snap reads are guessing games (i.e. "We know from film the defense blitzes 70% of the time here..."). For a supposed foooobaw junkie, you don't really know much about the sport.

    Can they adjust post snap? Sure. But it's much harder to do if your initial pre-snap read was dead wrong and if your offensive line doesn't give you and the offense enough time to adjust. Many times, "scrambling plays" are plays the defense locked up (by "guessing" correctly), but the QB/O-Line created enough time for the receivers to beat their defenders (any great receiver will eventually get open).
    thats re ed

    then just call what batters at the plate do "guessing" too. i mean they can study the pitchers tendencies and then guess

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    Basketball is shallower than baseball. Strategically, baseball makes basketball look like a joke. And tactically, you can get away with more one note tactics in basketball than you can in baseball.

    "They move around and there's plays and stuff, so it must be 'complex.' "

    Just stick to your goal sports, you're out of your element here.
    You can repeat that as many times as you want but it won't make it right son.

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    You can repeat that as many times as you want but it won't make it right son.
    You can repeat your lazy handwaving all you want but it doesn't give you a convincing counterargument.

    Spurs won 4 les with one play built around one player with a roster build that was practically the same every year.

    "It's deep, guys. They run plays and there's match ups and stuff!"

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    You can repeat your lazy handwaving all you want but it doesn't give you a convincing counterargument.

    Spurs won 4 les with one play built around one player with a roster build that was practically the same every year.

    "It's deep, guys. They run plays and there's match ups and stuff!"
    You could never repeat though, Midst. You were on the precipice of a triple deep into the corner, but, Tim & Amy---Amy & Tim couldn't hold that marriage together. She took a Louisville Slugger to him in the Midst of the '13 Finals and alas The Duncans, they could not do what the Bryants did:::grab a load of jacks, timbers,,,then shoulder-to-shoulder start on back down.

    - Pap

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    thats re ed

    then just call what batters at the plate do "guessing" too. i mean they can study the pitchers tendencies and then guess
    Any sport or game in which information can be kept "hidden" from your opponent (they call these games of imperfect information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_information) will naturally have a guessing game dynamic to gameplay.

    This dynamic exists in Baseball and Football the most since there are static pauses between action (pre-pitch/pre-snap). "Guessing" does not imply luck based. The best coaches and players in each sport maximize their probabilities of guessing right through intensive scouting, film study, and player analysis. They also maximize their chances of always "guessing right" by working on their weaknesses (i.e. a QB will work on the quickness of his release to deal with instances of surprise blitzes).

    This is also why I think Baseball and Football are deeper strategically than "flow" sports like Basketball and Soccer. Intimate knowledge of specific situations is a lot more important to have in Baseball and Football than other sports, because there's not enough time to "improvise" from wrong guesses into something that works (NFL teams want the QB dropback-to-pass time to be under 3 seconds, and elite QBs typically get rid of the ball in under 2 seconds a good majority of the time. And runs plays, when the defense guesses right, are often stuffed more often than not. Basketball gives an offense a full 24 seconds to execute, and soccer is unlimited).

    What's that translate into? Knowing your opponent inside and out. And film study and scouting are the strategic side of sports (the soccer crew still confuses strategy and tactics).

    Pop: One of the assistants will tell me something. I believe whatever they tell me. So if they say, ‘We’re going to do this on the pick-and-roll.’ And I say, ‘Okay.’ Or, ‘I dunno if I want to do that.’ And then, you go play. I mean, have you seen a secret play lately? Or a new pick-and-roll defense? Or some new amazing continuity offense that nobody can guard? It’s the same stuff every day. Whoever executes the best, whoever is the most compe ive, and does both on a consistent basis for more of the 48, that’s the team that wins.
    That fact is true in every sport, but I think in the "flow" sports execution is more important than being strategically sophisticated. Teams couldn't stop 4 down, even when they knew it was coming and what was coming after the double-teams, and they still couldn't stop it because of how crisply executed it all was.

    And I'm not arguing against simplicity. It often works better than overly complicating things.

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    You could never repeat though, Midst. You were on the precipice of a triple deep into the corner, but, Tim & Amy---Amy & Tim couldn't hold that marriage together. She took a Louisville Slugger to him in the Midst of the '13 Finals and alas The Duncans, they could not do what the Bryants did:::grab a load of jacks, timbers,,,then shoulder-to-shoulder start on back down.

    - Pap
    Repeats are without merit. You don't get your ring size measured for 'em, thus I don't do 'em.

    The count. That is all.

    Duncan: 5

    Kirby: 5

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    Repeats are without merit. You don't get your ring size measured for 'em, thus I don't do 'em.

    The count. That is all.

    Duncan: 5

    Kirby: 5
    Kobe: 5

    the tired old bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

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