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FkLA ethering Mid and CN
You're my bro but either you are trolling or you just aren't very good. Unfortunately I don't own any fatballs or else I'd do that same challenge right now. I wouldn't hit the trash can 10/10 but I'd definitely hit it more than once. I'd bet on that. I also wouldn't act like my arm is dying after a couple of throws. Not saying it isn't stressful on the elbow but a handful of throws isn't a big deal imho.Time for a video: Me vs. baseball in the backyard. Baseball crew, Robz4000 , ClipperNation , AlexJones , get in here and watch me throw some heat).
This is not the shortstop challenge, just a pitching challenge. 60.6" feet away, and trying to throw strikes with maximum velocity. Before anyone laughs, here's how silly throwing a pitch has made some world class athletes look:
Now me:
(Left trash can is the strikezone after I add the second can). I threw maybe one strike (at 3:30). 11 pitches total over about 20 minutes. I took a break at 5 pitches since my arm felt like a rag just after 5 pitches. I would've kept going but my arm was burning.
FWIW, just got back into playing basketball about 3 days ago. 10 times easier. 41/100 on 23 footers so far, and it doesn't feel like my arm or any other part of my body is going to disintegrate when I practice.
"There's no running"
I would rather run for 10 minutes than throw 10 minutes of pitches right now without breaks.
Here's an example of the force pitching at your full velocity puts on the elbow (where I feel the most pain right now):
Yeah, after a few months of solid practice, I can build my arm up to deal with it for longer stretches, just like anything else, but my point here is that it's much easier to hop off the couch and shoot some jumpshots and do some layup drills or jog around the local park with some Mexicans kicking a ball around than it is to dive into throwing a baseball accurately with any kind of velocity.
I honestly recommend FkLA doesn't mess with any kind of 100 throw challenge. It honestly isn't safe until you've had a few months of conditioning and learned to throw with proper mechanics (which I never did. Just imitated the greats on TV).
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/to...ig-yu-darvish/
Yeah, drop the kids off---go to the beer joint.
Completely wrong. Making contact with the ball is not a "hit". Almost no players in the history of baseball (in fact I believe there aren't any) have actually struck out in even 1/3rd of their plate appearances, much less 7/10.
When you put the ball in play you have 9 players defending it and trying to stop you from reaching base. So it's 1 vs 9, not 1 vs 1. That's why .300 is impressive. Also, you're only looking at one stat too. That's merely a player's hits to at bats ratio. It's not their "times on base per plate appearance". Every player in the sport has a higher on base% than their batting average due to walks and hit by pitches. So in actuality, the "best players" are getting on base over 40% of the time, not just 30. Some even mid 40%s.
You talk about it being too static to be complex. . .then why are football and basketball so piss easy for -anyone- to pick up and play whereas baseball isn't? You only bemoan the sport because you don't bother putting any appreciation into it. It's cool if it's not your thing, but don't act like it has no strategy or a that 30% hit rate isn't good because it's a lot harder than shooting a basketball at a high % (NBA scrubs do that). Or are you gonna pretend that shooting 31% is more impressive than hitting .300? lol. "lower number = less impressive" logic.
Oh okay, some "routine ground balls". Well then I'm sure a lot of average people who are uncoordinated could kick a ball down a field routinely with nothing else happening or nothing else required of them too. Likewise anyone can dribble a ball down a court or throw or catch a football easily with no game going on.
Do you really want to compare how hard it is to do the activities in each sport in basically non game situations or the easiest in-game ones like you just did? Catching a pass while wide open isn't hard. Shooting a ball or making a layup while wide open isn't hard.
Any more pointless comments tbh? Or should we continue with the posting that adds no value to the conversation?
Are you serious? Wilson and Colin were elite hs baseball players. And the average Joes you posted were just lobbing throws in. Yeah, I could throw 10/10 strikes too just lobbing, but I was going for max velocity in my video.Jesus christ. Stop it, mid. You cherry picked some bad throws by athletes so you can be "see the simple act of throwing is super hard". Not to mention the fact that it's simply ceremonial and very few people take it that seriously. It's embarrassingly desperate considering the fact that there are literally millions of non-pro athletes who can make much better first pitches. I'm sure if I wanted to I could find plenty of good first pitches from average joes to counter your gifs.
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(this kid is literally blind)
The fact you "countered" with lobs from the blind kid, bush, who was a very good college baseball player, and such proves you can't evaluate what a real baseball throw actually is.
Last edited by midnightpulp; 08-08-2016 at 05:00 PM.
Oh so a non baseball player cant throw a good of a throw as pro...
What a surprise..thanks for letting us now.
What I'm saying is that routine baseball actions are harder to do and take more practice to do well than routine actions in many other sports. I haven't shot a basketball in years. Hopped off the couch last week and shooting 41 percent from 3. Decent practice score (pros will usually hit 75 percent in practice, and curry went as hugh as 94). And my missed shots will be on target.
In my pitching attempt, I maybe threw one strike. And I won't even try to attempt 100 full velocity pitches since it literally is not safe. I can shoot 3s all night.
The average joe doesn't have the velocity or accuracy of an MLF pitcher, but those gifs you posted also aren't a fair representation of how well any coordinated person who has even some slight background in fatball can throw.
Pitching isn't really routine. Most MLF fielders can't even pitch, so I'm sure the percentage of average joes who can pitch well is relatively small.
Catching some fly balls, fielding routine ground balls, making routine throws. Those aren't any harder than shooting a basketball alone in a gym.
Average Joes (and some more athletes. All pitches that would've missed a trash can size target):
You can tell this Joe played a bit. Decent mechanics, and still missed by 4 feet.
Fkla thinks I'm cherry picking. No. 80% of first pitches are just like the above. The only people who make decent ones are former baseball players and people lobbing super slowly to make sure they are somewhat on target.
Again, you have to talk to mid about that. I'm not bragging about being able to make routine throws to a big ass target, I'm simply disagreeing with him when he says I (or most normal people) can't do it.
And sure the average person can kick a ball blindly. Probably couldn't place it in an upper corner, put curve on it, or make an accurate cross though. Much harder to control the accuracy of a soccer ball than a fatball, for obvious reasons, tbh.
I'll throw 10, 15, or 20 pitches. Willing to bet none of my throws will be lobs or anywhere near as bad as any of those gifs--and I'm no former fatball player.
Baseball is ing trash, just give it up.
You're nuts.
Not everyone is blessed with an arm that can throw 95mph. The strongest armed players will start focusing on pitching in high school/college/minor leagues, while weaker armed players will move to other positions. It's not uncommon for a high school star to be elite at a position (OF, 3rd, SS, etc), be an elite hitter, and be an elite pitcher. Coaches/Scouts will size him up and then push him toward a certain position. Kap was a solid pitcher, hitter, and fielder. http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/coli...ball-stats.htm
If he stuck with baseball his position would've probably been shortstop because of his athleticism, arm strength, and range. Even though he was a shutdown pitcher in HS, he probably wouldn't have a chance a the MLB level to be a pitcher since his average fastball speed was 87. Elite HS pitching prospects are throwing 95 already. But his high 80's arm strength is perfect for the SS combined with his athleticism.
Routine throws from 2nd are no harder than shooting. But routine throws from SS and 3rd base are way harder (I'll drop down the velocity requirement to 70mph. You ain't throwing 70 accurately from 100 or more feet). 70 seems "slow" because MLB pitchers are throwing into the 100s, but for the average Joe, that is fast speed to hit. See Russell Wilson again. He was gunning and only hit 75mph on the gun). Another indication you've never played. A SS to 1B throw doesn't look very far on TV because of the camera depth-of-field, but once you see it in person, it's 20 percent longer than a full court basketball court.
Stay tuned. Gonna go to the field next door and show you how hard it is to hit a target from 110 feet. And yes, I'll give myself a 1b sized target (A 1B can cover about about 100sq feet, about the size of a garage door).
Pitching is also a routine action since it's the game's most prominent action. And again, all players can do it, they just can't do it at an elite level. Dribbling is a routine basketball action, as well. But you don't see Tim Duncan running point. Same thing.
High school baseball player.
Like I said, only former baseball players and maybe QBs can make good pitches without lobbing.Mizanin, 33, is a 1999 graduate of Normandy High School where he was [B]captain of the varsity baseball team
Takes one to know one
If the person has zero experience throwing a ball, no, a normal person can't do it. Not even once.
If you played some baseball in elementary and middle school, but haven't thrown in years, you might be able to make 20-30% of routine throws from the SS distance. You claimed you could do it at a .950 rate straight off the couch. I call bull on that. Like I said, unless you're throwing at least in the high 70's, you'll fail to get a lot baserunners out.
Precise soccer shots on goal and curves aren't routine soccer actions. A routine soccer action would be dribbling and simple passing like this:
That said, I'm staying away from comparing baseball's learning curve to soccer's learning curve since I have as much as experience with soccer as you and the soccer crew do with baseball, and I don't talk out of my ass about a sport I haven't played at an organized level like the soccer crew does.
But baseball's respective learning curve vs. basketball and football is much, much higher. Football was by far the easiest since positions are super specialized, meaning you usually only need to do one or two things well, and those couple of things aren't really mechanically sophisticated (like throwing/hitting a baseball, shooting a jumper, etc). I was a running back and then an undersized starting nose tackle (150lb vs. 225lb linemen. Fun). The skills to becoming an average player at that level were simple to learn in both cases.
Keep in mind I like all sports about equally (I do dislike the modern NFL, though), but this is just a fact. Baseball actions, on average, require more precise muscles movements and mechanical synchronization than average actions in those other two sports.
You brought up the .950 number. Initially, you simply claimed I couldn't throw an MLF player out. Then you moved the goalposts to .950 accuracy and 80-90 mph. How often do MLF shortstops make accurate throws, anyway? I'm guessing mid to high 90s.If the person has zero experience throwing a ball, no, a normal person can't do it. Not even once.
If you played some baseball in elementary and middle school, but haven't thrown in years, you might be able to make 20-30% of routine throws from the SS distance. You claimed you could do it at a .950 rate straight off the couch. I call bull on that. Like I said, unless you're throwing at least in the high 70's, you'll fail to get a lot baserunners out.
Precise soccer shots on goal and curves aren't routine soccer actions. A routine soccer action would be dribbling and simple passing like this:
That said, I'm staying away from comparing baseball's learning curve to soccer's learning curve since I have as much as experience with soccer as you and the soccer crew do with baseball, and I don't talk out of my ass about a sport I haven't played at an organized level like the soccer crew does.
With that said I think I could make that throw at that clip at my max velocity, whatever that may be (don't know for sure if I can hit 80 mph).
You're right that positions are super specialized, so I agree about football.But baseball's respective learning curve vs. basketball and football is much, much higher. Football was by far the easiest since positions are super specialized, meaning you usually only need to do one or two things well, and those couple of things aren't really mechanically sophisticated (like throwing/hitting a baseball, shooting a jumper, etc). I was a running back and then an undersized starting nose tackle (150lb vs. 225lb linemen. Fun). The skills to becoming an average player at that level were simple to learn in both cases.
Keep in mind I like all sports about equally (I do dislike the modern NFL, though), but this is just a fact. Baseball actions, on average, require more precise muscles movements and mechanical synchronization than average actions in those other two sports.
Couldn't disagree more about basketball though. Shooting by yourself is easy, so is dribbling in a straight line with your strong hand. That's far from what it takes to be an average player even at a local rec center though. You have to become competent with your off hand. Learn different variations of lay-ups. You have to learn how to get your shot off in multiple ways (fadeaways, stepback, pull-up). Different dribbling techniques, etc. I would consider myself average at best if I walked into a rec center and it took me my entire childhood and some of my young adult life to develop my game tbh.
Last edited by FkLA; 08-08-2016 at 08:36 PM.
I'd rather watch the commercials than baseball or soccer, tbh.
Basketball was my "main sport" after baseball humbled me, and after a year, I could do pretty much anything at an average level (not claiming I was a star or a hotshot). We played everyday, for hours, after school. Two of the guys in these pickup games played AAU Slam 'n Jam here in SoCal, which was a rather "elite." Those two guys would be above average at a local rec league at 15. One of the guys played YMCA Rec in the 15-17 year old age group and average 30 points per game.
About Slam ' n Jam:
http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/slam-n-jam-leagueThe Slam-N-Jam Development League will hold its Carson Grand Finale on Wednesday through Saturday with a 16-team tournament at Carson High featuring some of the top high school teams in the area. Wednesday's opening-round games are Muir vs. Dominguez at 11 a.m., Santa Clara vs. Oceanside at 12:20, Vista vs. Morningside at 1:40, Cleveland vs. Hawthorne at 3, Lynwood vs. Marina at 4:20, Ocean View vs. Lakewood at 5:40, Carson vs. Rolling Hills at 7 and Long Beach Poly vs. Palos Verdes at 8:20.
Had little problem keeping up with guys playing their whole lives.
Learning to hit a baseball consistently is much harder to do than any basketball skill that isn't related to pure athleticism/height (i.e. most people can't dunk because they lack the skills, they can't dunk because they're not tall enough or can't jump high enough). Baseball is similar to soccer in that you have to start very young (there's a couple of exceptions of late bloomers, though, like Lorenzo Cain). Basketball has numerous stories of guys starting in their teens and in high school. Duncan never saw a basketball until 15 and became an all-time great. Dikembe until 17. Nash didn't start until 13.
And if you're tall and decently athletic, the skill requirement goes way down. Aron Baynes has a below average skillset, even by rec league standards, and he's an NBA player because he's big, tall, strong, and pretty athletic for his size. Dwight Howard's skillset is practically nonexistent, and he was a 3 time DPOY.
As for me moving the goal posts, I though your original claim was, "I could make those throws?" Which implies you could do it consistently.
Now for a vid. Me and the SS challenge (and yes, my arm feels like in' again). I short threw a lot these because every throw was like a in' needle into my elbow. And my arm felt good beforehand, but it's obviously not healed from yesterday. I partly blame myself for not warming up on both occasions, but my premise for the challenge was "straight off the couch," since baseball haters think there's nothing physically demanding about the game and you can just jump in and play like you're going bowling or playing darts. But even if I did warm up, I doubt the results would be much different. It's a biological fact that throwing a baseball hard strains your UCL to its max for every throw. Like I said, would need months of daily training to deal with this drill for more than 10-20 minutes.
And this is a routine practice drill, just like shooting jumpers in an empty gym.
None of my throws I would consider good, and they would need the first baseman to make a play, when I should be making the play.
Didn't see this till now. Strikeout? Unlikely, and I would sure as go with the worst hitter in the MLB for my test. I would get an out eventually if we include all forms of outs.
more exciting than MLB games on tv tbh
during the superbowl which is skewed by a ridiculous amount of casual fans who dont watch football any other day of the year
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