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  1. #101
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    Doing repeats now?
    Anybody ever ask Duncan that?

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    Duncan won because of a short season.

    facing an 8 seed in the finals
    swept

  3. #103
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    Never lost to an 8th seed as the top seed while fans blaming Manu being injured as the reason
    You lost all 4 RS games to Houston last season, and they were the 8th seed. Your caveat is "we weren't good enough to be the 1st seed"

    Great defense there sparky. You suck so bad you're out of the conversation.

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    8th seed Knicks in the finals

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    Really? Pretty sure you lost all 4 RS games to Houston last season, and they were the 8th seed.
    Did you miss the part where I said "as the 1 seed"? Go back and re-read that sentence.

  6. #106
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    Did you miss the part where I said "as the 1 seed"? Go back and re-read that sentence.
    You need to re-read. Your mind has a no vacancy sign, because the entire Spurs organization has holed up in there.

  7. #107
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    8th seed Knicks in the finals
    Your super team swept by a team that didn't even make the Finals.

  8. #108
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    You need to re-read. Your mind has a no vacancy sign, because the entire Spurs organization has holed up in there.
    You got embarrassed because you couldn't comprehend one simple sentence...

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    DMC going back to edit once he figured he misunderstood it...

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    Your super team swept by a team that didn't even make the Finals.
    Spurs lost to a team that didnt make the finals in 1999-2000 (suns), # 5 seed,
    lost to a lower seeded team in 2000-2001 (2 Lakers),
    lost to a lower seeded team in 2001-2002 (3 lakers),
    lost to a team that lost to the champs in 2003-2004,
    lost to a lower seeded team who lost to the champs in 2005-2006,
    lost to a team who lost to the champs in 2007-2008,
    lost to a lower seeded team again in 2008-2009 who didn't make the finals,
    lost to a team who didn't make the finals in 2009-2010,
    lost to the lowest seeded team who didn't make the finals in 2010-2011,
    lost to a lower seeded team who lost to the champs in 2011-2012,
    lost to a team who never made the finals in 2014-2015,
    lost to a lower seeded team again who lost to the champs.

  11. #111
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    You got embarrassed because you couldn't comprehend one simple sentence...
    DMC going back to edit once he figured he misunderstood it...
    Spurs lost to a team that didnt make the finals in 1999-2000 (suns), # 5 seed,
    lost to a lower seeded team in 2000-2001 (2 Lakers),
    lost to a lower seeded team in 2001-2002 (3 lakers),
    lost to a team that lost to the champs in 2003-2004,
    lost to a lower seeded team who lost to the champs in 2005-2006,
    lost to a team who lost to the champs in 2007-2008,
    lost to a lower seeded team again in 2008-2009 who didn't make the finals,
    lost to a team who didn't make the finals in 2009-2010,
    lost to the lowest seeded team who didn't make the finals in 2010-2011,
    lost to a lower seeded team who lost to the champs in 2011-2012,
    lost to a team who never made the finals in 2014-2015,
    lost to a lower seeded team again who lost to the champs.


    Don't get "Riled"

  12. #112
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    DMC earning a bronze.

  13. #113
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    Anybody ever ask Duncan that?
    Another team accomplishment used to exaggerate kobes legacy.

    Any player in the conversation of top 10 all time has won at least one championship as the top dog. Strangely enough, Kobe is the only player in the conversation of top 10 all time who has never led his team in ws, VORP, ws/48 or BPM on the way to a championship throughout the season. He also has by far the worst individual accomplishments amongst that group (MVPs, fmvp, dpoy, etc).

    It's strange, it really is. The only other player who can say that is possibly dr j, but dr j, as entertaining as he was, is not really on most people's top 10, and even he led the 6ers in BPM and VORP in 1983. Even non top 10 players did those deeds, players like dirk, MVPau, Pierce, curry, and wade are just some recent samples.

    Every le team, or even contending team, Kobe has ever been on has always been loaded in the front court. From the mde to a frontcourt of MVPau, Bynum and odom in one of the worst frontcourt era in nba history, those lakers teams have always ranked comparatively high in categories for teams with dominant frontcourt (defensive FTA/FTA, rebounding %, offensive rebounding %) but often average or below on guard dominant teams (like tov%, 3pt%, 3 PG defensive %).

    But when there are no dominating front courts, those laker teams tend to miss playoffs and get kicked out in the first round.

    A top 10 player is supposed to be the rock, I can see a top 10 of all time player getting beat I the first round of your team is weak because oppositions just collapse on you, it happened to the best of them (Duncan, jabbar, Hakeem, even jordan) but to miss the playoffs in an era where more than half the team makes it? It is hard to fathom. I am not talking about a dominant team, I'm talking a slightly below average team. And to miss the playoffs in the year a supposedly lease player (MVPau) with a comparable or arguable weaker supporting cast made the playoffs while you finish like 11th in the conference? Just mind boggling.
    Last edited by ambchang; 08-14-2016 at 02:23 PM.

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    Another team accomplishment used to exaggerate kobes legacy.

    Any player in the conversation of top 10 all time has won at least one championship as the top dog. Strangely enough, Kobe is the only player in the conversation of top 10 all time who has never led his team in ws, VORP, ws/48 or BPM on the way to a championship throughout the season. He also has by far the worst individual accomplishments amongst that group (MVPs, fmvp, dpoy, etc).

    It's strange, it really is. The only other player who can say that is possibly dr j, but dr j, as entertaining as he was, is not really on most people's top 10, and even he led the 6ers in BPM and VORP in 1983. Even non top 10 players did those deeds, players like dirk, Pierce, curry, and wade are just some recent samples.
    1. Stop being a moron. That's exactly how people rate players in the top 10, by ring count.
    2. Kobe has led them in the playoffs multiple times in those categories, so your claim is invalid.
    3. Kobe was worth more wins in the 2008-2009 playoffs than Gasol was
    4. Pau was never a top option.

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    Andre Igoudala has a finals MVP....does that mean he is better than Curry?

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    1. Stop being a moron. That's exactly how people rate players in the top 10, by ring count.
    2. Kobe has led them in the playoffs multiple times in those categories, so your claim is invalid.
    3. Kobe was worth more wins in the 2008-2009 playoffs than Gasol was
    4. Pau was never a top option.
    Teams play against four teams in the playoffs so they exploit mismatches. Drexler led the rockets in multiple of those categories in the playoffs in 95 but Hakeem was clearly the alpha dog because the matchup a were favourable to Clyde. Same with many in 05. But in the regular season, that's how a team build the offense and defense on the alpha, that's how you play against all the other teams. Not to mention that lakers were playing absolutely crap perimeter defensive teams during that playoff run (Jazz, rockets, nuggets and magic). It'd be re ed for KFC not to take advantage of that and shift the offense to the perimeter and let his 1b take over. Of course, if you try to do that against a great, but not all time great player like Pierce, Kobe gets embarrassed in the finals.

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    Teams play against four teams in the playoffs so they exploit mismatches. Drexler led the rockets in multiple of those categories in the playoffs in 95 but Hakeem was clearly the alpha dog because the matchup a were favourable to Clyde. Same with many in 05. But in the regular season, that's how a team build the offense and defense on the alpha, that's how you play against all the other teams. Not to mention that lakers were playing absolutely crap perimeter defensive teams during that playoff run (Jazz, rockets, nuggets and magic). It'd be re ed for KFC not to take advantage of that and shift the offense to the perimeter and let his 1b take over. Of course, if you try to do that against a great, but not all time great player like Pierce, Kobe gets embarrassed in the finals.
    Pau had not won one single playoff game before joining Kobe, coincidentally, Pau shot his career high in FG% when he played with Kobe. Why didn't Pau win one playoff game as an alpha in Memphis?

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    Pau had not won one single playoff game before joining Kobe, coincidentally, Pau shot his career high in FG% when he played with Kobe. Why didn't Pau win one playoff game as an alpha in Memphis?
    Nary

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    Pau had not won one single playoff game before joining Kobe, coincidentally, Pau shot his career high in FG% when he played with Kobe. Why didn't Pau win one playoff game as an alpha in Memphis?
    Because his teams sucked and he's not a top 10 player of all time, I suppose.

    But at least you are getting it, Kobe is MVPau tier player, not too 10 type of player. If MVPau had a guard of shaqs dominance (Jordan is the only comparable) he'd have won 5 championships, easy.

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    Still hiding behind other laker fans, eh? Chicken .

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    Because his teams sucked and he's not a top 10 player of all time, I suppose.

    But at least you are getting it, Kobe is MVPau tier player, not too 10 type of player. If MVPau had a guard of shaqs dominance (Jordan is the only comparable) he'd have won 5 championships, easy.
    You are a liar and you know it. Top dogs can usually will their team at least to ONE playoff victory by themselves. And on the subject of Pau having a guard of Shaq's dominance? Remember, Pau is the beta cuck who let a breakup with his fiance get in his head in the middle of the playoffs. Miss me with that . He was a loser before he went to LA. Nobody considered him a top big man before he went to LA either.

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    Anyway back on topic, no DRob was not a 1A

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    You are a liar and you know it. Top dogs can usually will their team at least to ONE playoff victory by themselves. And on the subject of Pau having a guard of Shaq's dominance? Remember, Pau is the beta cuck who let a breakup with his fiance get in his head in the middle of the playoffs. Miss me with that . He was a loser before he went to LA. Nobody considered him a top big man before he went to LA either.
    So MVPau not only won a playoff game, he led the lakers to two championships. Stats clearly shown who the lead was, it is consistent with every single year for the last thirty years.

    Not sure what his personal life has to do with him being a beta. Hey, Kobe divorced his own parents and had to buy a house for his in laws. That's about as beta as it gets. To top it off, he gets to Cry and beg for his wife's forgiveness in front of the entire world. Going by your logic, that's beta and therefore he is a beta on the court as well.

    MVPau was a very sort after player even when he was with the grizz. He just got the perfect complimentary player and system for him with the lakers.

  24. #124
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    Anyway back on topic, no DRob was not a 1A
    Then Kobe isn't a 1a either.

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    So MVPau not only won a playoff game, he led the lakers to two championships. Stats clearly shown who the lead was, it is consistent with every single year for the last thirty years.

    Not sure what his personal life has to do with him being a beta. Hey, Kobe divorced his own parents and had to buy a house for his in laws. That's about as beta as it gets. To top it off, he gets to Cry and beg for his wife's forgiveness in front of the entire world. Going by your logic, that's beta and therefore he is a beta on the court as well.

    MVPau was a very sort after player even when he was with the grizz. He just got the perfect complimentary player and system for him with the lakers.
    Pau had not one one single playoff game before LA. He was a loser. Kobe made him a winner


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