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    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    I will say that I understand his frustration... why are we holding such a high bar for ourselves, while they can do whatever? Well, the reason is that we're supposed to be better.

    Generalizing here a bit, people are reactionary, it's not just Fabbs, tbh...

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    I will say that I understand his frustration... why are we holding such a high bar for ourselves, while they can do whatever? Well, the reason is that we're supposed to be better.

    Generalizing here a bit, people are reactionary, it's not just Fabbs, tbh...
    I understand all of that and don't disagree. My quarrel with Fabbs is really on more routine things like his anger over completely defensible evidentiary rulings in the Aaron Hernandez case that are cons utionally required despite being harmful to the prosecution.

    I'm not here to beat the drum for terrorists, though I will say that the civil libertarian in me believes firmly that if we live by a rule of law and make the defense of our freedoms an essential justification for fighting terrorists (along, obviously, with security in general), it seems to me that you can't exalt our freedoms and then deny them in a reactionary fashion when it better suits your needs. If we believe in due process, then we believe in due process and we don't just afford it to those we like -- it's an all or nothing thing to me and, personally, I think the "all" part of that decision is the preferable course.

    If we cede our freedoms in the guise of trying to feel more secure, I think the terrorists -- who, as President Bush famously said on September 11, 2001, "hate our freedom" -- have earned a major victory against us. Their barbarism will have compelled us to give up fundamental principles that define what freedom actually means.

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    So, he was afforded due process, and he (apparently, quite likely) told them about this very plan.

    What's the problem again?
    Quite likely told them about a terrorist plan?

    You must be soo proud:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ttacks-suspect
    Paris attacks suspect Salah Abdeslam refuses to speak in French court

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    Quite likely told them about a terrorist plan?

    You must be soo proud:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ttacks-suspect
    Paris attacks suspect Salah Abdeslam refuses to speak in French court
    It's his right to not speak.

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    It's his right to not speak.
    Yes it is.
    Was it the bombing victims "right" to continue to live?
    If Abdeslam had info that could prevent future bombing victims lives (highly likely), is it societies "right" to purge that info out of he and his co , lawyer Sven Mary?

    I know here it comes. The "rights" of a below sleaseball individual are above the rights of countless others to live.

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    Avante just pm'ed me. He said that terrorists are bad and all that but what's this about Pedos getting off? He also wants to know how to spell Sven Mary.

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