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Dude had a quadruple double in the closeout game of the Finals. That alone should catapult it. The rest of the season & playoffs should too. Top 3 IMO.
I personally believe that TD's 2002-03 season should be higher. He won his 2nd le, became MVP, Finals MVP, All-NBA 1st Team, All-Defensive 1st Team, and All-Star. Here's another TD fact from the 2003 postseason:
In the modern era of the NBA, Tim Duncan is the only player to lead his team to a championship with his team's 2nd through 5th leading scorers all shooting under 42% for the entire postseason. Before The Big Fundamental did it in 2003, the last time it happened was in the 1964 playoffs, when Sam Jones led the Celtics in scoring on the way to a championship.
The article can be seen in its entirety here: http://hoop.nba.com/nba_hoop_feature...uncan-2002-03/
Dude had a quadruple double in the closeout game of the Finals. That alone should catapult it. The rest of the season & playoffs should too. Top 3 IMO.
He almost had a quadruple double but the dip person at the scorer's table missed two of his blocks. It should definitely land in the top 3 or 5 and is way too low at #10, IMHO.
as long as KOBE is not top ten.....preferably not shaq either but i will understand that.
13. Kobe Bryant 2005-06
The infamous season in which Bryant dropped an unforgettable 81 points – a bludgeoning that sent the Raptors back to extinction and embarrassed Jalen Rose for all of eternity. No Shaquille O’Neal, no problem – Bryant Smushed the team into his backpack and carried the Laker load all the way to the playoffs.
“Efficiency has never been Kobe’s strong suit, but a 28 PER and 15.3 win shares is pretty ridiculous for anyone. Doing so while surrounded by the likes of Kwame Brown, Brian Cook and Smush Parker is borderline miraculous. While many point to the 3-1 collapse (damn you, Tim Thomas), building that lead against Steve Nash’s Suns with that supporting cast was undeniably impressive. Again, though, damn you, Tim bleeping Thomas.” – Anthony Irwin
“Go ahead and send all your anti-chucking, PER-thumping (he was third in the league that year w/28.0, highest in usage), “I really just couldn’t stand the guy” vitriol my way. I’ll take it. Although it didn’t ultimately lead to much postseason success, Bryant absolutely unleashed one of the game’s most vicious offensive attacks (Bean also played lockdown defense back then) we’ve ever seen on a nightly basis for a Lakers squad that–putting it nicely–didn’t have a lot of talent.” – Jabari Davis
“It is an utter shame Kobe’s truly PRIME years were spent with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown. If he and Shaq could have worked it out I think they would have won eight les.” – Robert Littal
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i'll let splits take over from here!
Carried whole team, beating 3 time champions, with prime Shaq and prime Kobe and 60 win Mavs team in playoff all by his own. Yet his full season stats aren`t that great. But still wonder how high will one jurassic era season of Wilt Chamberlain will be.
Should have been 12th for consistency ...
Lol duncan gets the 10th spot, all time and niccas talking Kobe and even Shaq, smh.
Let it go bro ...now that he is retired, Duncan doesnt need to be compared only to his contemporaries which he beats,most of them anyways ...now he should be compared with the greats of ANY era ...
Take away the zero and they have it right
I'm going to venture that the following are within their top 10:
'92 Jordan
'98 Malone
'01 Webber
'06 Wade
'12 Nowitzki
'07 LeBron
'03 Kidd
And '01 Iverson
Yeah, I'm not sure there are 9 seasons better than '03 Duncan... , I'm not sure I can think of 5. You have '91 MJ, '13 LeBron, and '00 Shaq - those are 3 that I'd feel comfortable putting ahead of '03 Duncan. '67 Wilt is another one I might put at the top. I can see the argument for others - for example you have '89 MJ, '09 LeBron, and '77 Kareem. All unbelievable seasons, but no ring at the end makes it tough to put ahead of '03 Duncan, even though all of those guys performed incredibly well in the playoffs.
Would have to see the list in its entirety before making a final judgment on how good/bad it is...but at first glance, '03 Duncan at #10 seems a bit low. Regardless, even having the 10th best individual season in NBA history is an incredible achievement.
Within the past 25 years, only '93-'94 Hakeem is in the same stratosphere as '02-'03 Tim: http://bkref.com/tiny/G6LRT
Jorn/LeBron/Shaq had LEGIT wingmen such as Pippen/Wade/Kyrie/Kobe & Dirk was a one way player along w/ shooting 41% in the Finals. (Jason Terry outscored LeBron:)
They have 2012-13 LeBron at #9.
Lebron's 13 isn't even remotely in the discussion. You must be referring to his '12 which was incredible but Kawhistorm's point then comes into play. No matter how you slice it any one of those players you mentioned could look to there right and find a player that they could depend on consistently and could theoretically cover said player if they were weaker in some parts of a game. Duncan LITERALLY could not. I repeat...a big should NEVER EVER lead a team in assists for an entire playoff run...let alone a championship winning one. Duncan did that. He led in essentially EVERY major statistical category that exists except steals i think. If Lebron wasn't having a great scoring night you better believe Wade could cover him. Same with Kobe for Shaq. I mean shaq was NOT a closer...Kobe was even if overrated.
If Duncan wasn't scoring...team was ed. If Duncan wasn't getting them open looks...team was ed. If Duncan was only one-sided in his impact (offense only), then we're relying on a bad back, out of the door to retirement David Robinson who was playing like 20 minutes a game anyway to anchor the defense. If Duncan wasn't closing...team was ed. Rebounding...team was ed. Beating EVERY defensive scheme thrown at him. Duncan was EVERYTHING and HAD to be GAME IN AND GAME OUT...in EVERY facet. Hakeem is the only true comparable. I mean 03 Duncan has the HIGHEST Winshare playoff total in NBA HIStORY!!! There's a reason for that. And Lebron's 13 is one that's pretty much accepted as only notable because we gave the ring away with NO FAULT TO DUNCAN. Dude's entire staple of support (Pop, Manu, Parker) sabotaged his win. He beats Lebron in 13, then lebron looks mad weak. And Shaq's 00, don't get me started. Weakest batch of big men ever, completely avoided his biggest compe ion (Duncan missed playoffs), and Kobe was THE top wing and arguably top 5 player overall. Duncan went through BOTH of them in route to his ring. This isn't even a discussion frankly. But i certainly will respect your having an opinion
I assume this list is going to over-value individual seasons from older players, which is why Duncan is so low IMO..players that would never have succeeded in any other era and were glamorized by rings(Bill Russell) and being a White American(Larry Bird)..
Since the list combines both RS and playoffs, I understand Tim ranking lower than expected..while he had a historic playoff run that has only been matched by few, he was probably the 3rd best player during the RS(behind McGrady and KG), which takes away some of the luster(based on the criteria of this list) IMO..
For example, 2013 Lebron wasn't nearly as good as 2003 Duncan in the playoffs, but he was by far the best player in both the RS and playoffs of that particular year..
Too low IMO
Duncan had a 32 PER in the Finals and the highest VORP of all-time in the playoffs. That 03 run was one of the best of all-time with a really weak supporting cast. It's easily top 5 in history.
I agree that Duncan's supporting cast in '03 is arguably the weakest we've ever seen from a championship team...but that doesn't automatically mean Duncan's '03 season was the greatest season of all-time. Winning with the least amount of help doesn't necessarily mean you had the best season ever.Within the past 25 years, only '93-'94 Hakeem is in the same stratosphere as '02-'03 Tim: http://bkref.com/tiny/G6LRT
Jorn/LeBron/Shaq had LEGIT wingmen such as Pippen/Wade/Kyrie/Kobe & Dirk was a one way player along w/ shooting 41% in the Finals. (Jason Terry outscored LeBron:
9 seasons better than
League MVP
Finals MVP
Best record in the league
1st team all NBA
1st team all defense
Alright..
LOL That's what happens when you have a bunch of Laker fans writing basketball articles.
Folks were crowning LeBron for beating one legit team (w/ an injured Curry/Iggy) in the postseason w/ Kyrie essentially being the 2nd best player in the series. Tim beat Shaq/Kobe (w/ 20 yr old Porker) who are regarded as the best duo in NBA history b/c they were BOTH in the PRIMES unlike say Magic/Kareem & had won 13 straight postseason series.
Tim did in that series what LeBron did in 2015 when he didn't have Kyrie/Love: Lead the team in points/rebound/assists except he didn't shoot 39%.
Based on that logic then Curry had a top 5 season since he was dominant in the regular season along w/ spurts during the postseason.
Curry had more combined win-shares in '15-'16 than '14-'15.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 08-16-2016 at 05:10 PM.
It should obviously be much higher. Even if you want to claim that his regular season wasn't necessarily on that level, it's not like it was anything to sneeze at and besides, who values that to the same extent as the playoffs?
Granted, a perimeter player can't have the same defensive impact, but if Jordan or James (who's really half big) did what Duncan did in the '03 playoffs, it would be widely regarded as what it is: The best playoff run ever. But because it was a big and a non flashy one at that, it's undervalued.
It's also because the NBA was in the Dark Ages & the general public didn't care about any team outside of the Lakers. Folks were claiming Dirk was the best player in the league after the 2011 postseason when he wasn't even the best player in the Finals (Wade) b/c everyone & them mama wanted the Heatles lose.
It's not "my logic", it's the criteria of the listBased on that logic then Curry had a top 5 season since he was dominant in the regular season along w/ spurts during the postseason.
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