Europe: [Futbol] Looking at the Olympics...

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If you want to keep pretending that re ed video is "evidence" of his real leaping ability I'll use this photo as a counter argument since it's just as credible:

[midnightpulp]

Oh, and where did you find that photoshopped photo to cherrypick

The shopper actually cut and pasted Ronaldo and moved him up to the height of the ball. I guess you need to do things like that to make his ty athleticism look more impressive.



vs. your shopped photo.

[midnightpulp]

If you want to keep pretending that re ed video is "evidence" of his real leaping ability I'll use this photo as a counter argument since it's just as credible:

Oh, and where did you find that photoshopped photo to cherrypick

The shopper actually cut and pasted Ronaldo and moved him up to the height of the ball. I guess you need to do things like that to make his ty athleticism look more impressive.



vs. your shopped photo.

[midnightpulp]

at floptrot fans posting shopped photos to hype up their crappy athletes. Let's take a look at how high Ronaldo probably jumped in that photo.

I measured Ronaldo's leg below the knee at about 2cm, and painted a black bar where the lower half of his leg would. Drew a black line from the goalie's toe to show the ground plane Ronaldo is on. Used the soccer to estimate how high he jumped, which is about 2 and 1/2 balls. A soccer ball's diameter is about 8.8".



So his vert is probably around the 27"-30" mark here. Consistent with his vert tested in laboratory conditions.

Average leaper.

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are you ing serious? It's obvious that's a shopped photo, which is why I said it's as credible as your "lab test video" to determine his real leaping ability

[midnightpulp]

are you ing serious? It's obvious that was a shopped photo, which is why I said it's as credible as your "lab test video" to determine his real leaping ability

So now you're saying a photoshopped photo is as "credible" as a laboratory testing

I didn't think you'd be so silly to even suggest something like that, so I assumed you were posting what you thought was a legit photo

He's not a great leaper. Average for an elite athlete at best. Kawhi Leonard's vert is roughly the same. Shredded, muscular, lean =/= leaping ability.

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You give me a bull test, I give you a bull photo

[midnightpulp]

You give me a bull test, I give you a bull photo

How is that a bull test?

It's how they do it in combines

" It makes my hero look average so it's a bull test "

Just take the L, bro. Ronaldo is an average leaper.

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If you really think that's his max vert I'm not sure what to tell you, tbh...but then again you've repeatedly shown to be completely out of you element when talking about football so I can't say I'm surprised

[midnightpulp]

If you really think that's his max vert I'm not sure what to tell you, tbh...but then again you've repeatedly shown to be completely out of you element when talking about football so I can't say I'm surprised

What evidence do you have that it's higher? Everything that I've read about his leaping ability places his vert in that 27"-30ish" range. No reason to believe otherwise.



I hope you realize that a 30" leap is excellent by average Joe standards, but pretty average by elite athlete standards, especially compared to NBA, NFL, and MLB players

[DAF86]

Um, they have 3/4 length court combine sprint times, where it is a full sprint without ball handling.

16.4mph or 26kph (using your French imposed system) is decent speed by athlete standards. The slowest players in the EPL floptrot league run about the fast.

Let's look at the 3/4 court sprint time (72 feet or 22 meters) for young NBA 7 footers.

http://stats.nba.com/draftcombine/#!...R_SPRINT&dir=1

Average looks about 3.5ish seconds, with the slowest being 3.65.

In the Ortiz example I posted, he covered 22.5 meters in 3.74 seconds, pulling up as he reached second base, so he slowed down. With Duncan's bad knees and age, I seriously doubt he's faster than the slowest young big coming out. Ortiz looks to be about as fast as the slowest NBA big at the combine, and probably could shave a .10 off his time if he ran straight through and didn't wear a helmet.

Nothing suggests Tim is faster than Ortiz over 100m.

That's how you make an argument. With facts. Not appealing to dumb speculation by measuring physiques.

And it would take a reach of idiotic proportions to think Duncan is competing with an MLB player in throwing events.

So, you use a stat showing that 7 foot stiffs are faster than Ortiz and "that's how you make an argument"? OK, son.

And I would love to hear the reason why is idotic to think that a 7 foot guy with long limbs could compete with a DH/1B that rarely has to throw a ball in a game. Besides, just because they are "throwing" events you automatically give it to the MLB players (even if they are not pitchers), despite the fact that throwing a baseball and a javalin throw, for ex, have little in common. If you look at the body types of the javalin throwers, they have a lot more in common with Duncan's body type than Ortiz's, tbh.

P/S: The french system isn't imposed son. It is more precise. That's why most of the World use it, tbh.

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What evidence do you have that it's higher? Everything that I've read about his leaping ability places his vert in that 27"-30ish" range. No reason to believe otherwise.

this was like 2 years ago. He could probably go higher when younger

I hope you realize that a 30" leap is excellent by average Joe standards, but pretty average by elite athlete standards, especially compared to NBA, NFL, and MLB players

[apalisoc_9]

Anerican atheletic stats where 6'4 guys are listed 6'8

So reliable

[midnightpulp]

So, you use a stat showing that 7 foot stiffs are faster than Ortiz and "that's how you make an argument"? OK, son.

And I would love to hear the reason why is idotic to think that a 7 foot guy with long limbs could compete with a DH/1B that rarely has to throw a ball in a game. Besides, just because they are "throwing" events you automatically give it to the MLB players (even if they are not pitchers), despite the fact that throwing a baseball and a javalin throw, for ex, have little in common. If you look at the body types of the javalin throwers, they have a lot more in common with Duncan's body type than Ortiz's, tbh.

P/S: The french system isn't imposed son. It is more precise. That's why most of the World use it, tbh.

Exactly. Duncan is a 7 foot stiff. And his athleticism, or lack thereof, isn't indicative of the general athleticism of NBA players overall, which is the point I keep trying to make to you re s.

EVERY position player in baseball needs to know how to throw. Yeah, you're going to go real far in the game not knowing how to perform that simple action.

Also Javelin throwers are built more like Duncan. Do you even watch sports or do you just talk out of your ass about everything that isn't floptrot?





And the mechanics are very similar. It's why Ashton Eaton hired a baseball coach to help him improve his throwing events, and why those two Indian kids who won that Million Dollar Arm compe ion were javelin throwers.

More:

http://www.dailyiowan.com/2013/05/15/Sports/33345.html

http://www.ecupirates.com/news/2011/...spx?path=track

[midnightpulp]

this was like 2 years ago. He could probably go higher when younger

Average vert in the MLB is 28".

And that pic of naldo is supposed to be impressive? From the ground to the bottom of the goal post is about 9'4". Soccer ball has a diameter of 9", so Ronaldo's head is about 8'7" off the ground, which is the exact same height it was in that pic I posted that estimated his vert at 30".

So yeah, all evidence points to that range. It's why we have no footage of him dunking a basketball other than on an 8 foot goal

Here's an MLB player showing you how a dunk is done.

[DAF86]

Exactly. Duncan is a 7 foot stiff. And his athleticism, or lack thereof, isn't indicative of the general athleticism of NBA players overall, which is the point I keep trying to make to you re s.

EVERY position player in baseball needs to know how to throw. Yeah, you're going to go real far in the game not knowing how to perform that simple action.

Also Javelin throwers are built more like Duncan. Do you even watch sports or do you just talk out of your ass about everything that isn't floptrot?





And the mechanics are very similar. It's why Ashton Eaton hired a baseball coach to help him improve his throwing events, and why those two Indian kids who won that Million Dollar Arm compe ion were javelin throwers.

More:

http://www.dailyiowan.com/2013/05/15/Sports/33345.html

http://www.ecupirates.com/news/2011/...spx?path=track

Well re , I know that. The point I'm trying to make is that even a 7 foot stiff, like Duncan, is more athletic than a guy like David ing Ortiz.

And regarding the javalin throwers, Here's an old video of the best javalin throwers in the World. All fit (without a disgusting belly), and with long limbs.

[Spur-Addict]

Baseball is such a terrible sport. The worst actually, so bad.

[Clipper Nation]

Let soccer fans like what they like. We wouldn't like the games we like if we didn't grow up with them either.

Baseball fans only drop truthbombs about soccer as retaliation for smug got soccer fans making fun of baseball (and football, for that matter).

[Caltex2]

I'm not really a big baseball fan (it sucks in a number of ways but I still root for/follow the Astros), I just shake my head when soccer fans try to make their game out to be such a marvel for reasons that are actually negative, like low scoring. There's low scoring because of defense and there's low scoring (and scoreless ties) because the game is structured in a way that scoring is hard to come by, let alone chances to score. I bet somewhere close to half of all soccer goals are from in-game PK's, let alone how many low scoring ties are decided by the post-game PK's, which is almost a joke.

That and a number of things, like my OP about how it's not the only game accessible to the impoverished but it's just the game that caught on (and I know the richest country for some time, England, popularized it first and it's popular throughout Europe, full of First World countries). But if soccer fans like it, they like it.

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Average vert in the MLB is 28".

And that pic of naldo is supposed to be impressive? From the ground to the bottom of the goal post is about 9'4". Soccer ball has a diameter of 9", so Ronaldo's head is about 8'7" off the ground, which is the exact same height it was in that pic I posted that estimated his vert at 30".

So yeah, all evidence points to that range. It's why we have no footage of him dunking a basketball other than on an 8 foot goal

Here's an MLB player showing you how a dunk is done.

lol he clearly can jump high enough to dunk just going by that pic. And if he was the same height as the fatball player in the video you posted his head would be at about the same level so I'm not sure what your point is

[Caltex2]

Dunk on an 8-foot rim maybe. Time to let that one go. I'm sure Ronaldo is skilled enough to do things I can only imagine doing but he's an average pro athlete when it comes to raw athleticism.

[dfens]

tbh this thread is just 10 pages of who has the biggest , jumps higher and and can monkey around better.
Soon atheltic ability will include dodging a lion at full speed in the saharan plains and taming monkeys in congo.
At this rate, in 20 years deandre jordan will be considered one of america's foremost thinkers and will run for his 2nd presidency. If you vote me imma give you free bananas

[midnightpulp]

lol he clearly can jump high enough to dunk just going by that pic. And if he was the same height as the fatball player in the video you posted his head would be at about the same level so I'm not sure what your point is

You're kidding right?

The baseball player's head is about even with the rim (10 feet). naldo's head's in your pic is 9" below the 9'4" crossbar at about 8'7". Give naldo an extra 3" to equalize height, and his head is only reaching 8'10".

So much spin

[midnightpulp]

Well re , I know that. The point I'm trying to make is that even a 7 foot stiff, like Duncan, is more athletic than a guy like David ing Ortiz.

And regarding the javalin throwers, Here's an old video of the best javalin throwers in the World. All fit (without a disgusting belly), and with long limbs.

By what metric? The fact you like basketball more? Yeah, that's it.

The thick Finnish guy I posted (6'2" 225lb) is the still the reigning world record holder for over 20 years and counting. And the fat Kenyan is the reigning World Champion.

This is also why see some fat MLB pitchers from time to time, especially in relief positions. More bulk=more velocity.

If you didn't fetishize physiques, you'd also understand that sometimes adding weight through fat is better than adding weight through muscle depending on the sport/position. More muscle=less flexibility and more oxygen demand.

If David Ortiz or CC were shredded like this, they would be .



I make the same arguments in favor of an NFL linemen when soccer fans denigrate american football because "obese people" can play it at the highest level. Soccer fans praise stamina and physique too much.

You're also not a re , just making re ed arguments.

[Caltex2]

It's contagious, even the coaches are flopping.