Some Basic observation about Garino for the folks that missed his games.

[SAGirl]

Sons , if you're expecting a new Manu you'll be highly disappointed. The boy is a project to be a decent 3 and D role player, nothing more than that. They won't be another special player like Manu in Argentina ever again.

He's like a homeless man's Danny Green and I say homeless bc he's not on Danny's level on D and Danny has a quick shot that he can make from anywhere. This guy is 23 and only recently as of last season became a 3 pt shooter from college 3 pt line and FiBA. Has a long way to go to show he can shoot the 3 in the league.

In that interview he gave after his contract, he admitted that dleague was a big possibility.

[SAGirl]

I don't get the fascination with him. I know it's partially because he's Argentinian, but the situation is clearly what you described. He even sounded resigned to his fate after he signed.

The 15th spot (really, Jean-Charles will be the 15th man though) is probably going to Robinson or, if he chooses the Pacers or whoever else might be interested, some other big.

You are right, if he makes the team his compe ion is likely Livio Jean Charles, who is another defensive project player.

[dabom]

Fathead is comparable to a bag of . Not even near green or kawhi.

[kaji157]

had to laugh at your homerism. In no world is he better than Anderson and for Simmons that is yet to be seen.

Not yet, i said "very soon".

Probably not smart to laugh at something that in 6 month might come back to bite your ass.

I never liked Simmons a lot, but Anderson, i always thought he was gonna be usefull at the least, and for what he was able to show, he is still almost unplayable in defense and in offense he plays well with the ball but off it he has not shown much smarts.

[SAGirl]

Not yet, i said "very soon".

Probably not smart to laugh at something that in 6 month might come back to bite your ass.

I never liked Simmons a lot, but Anderson, i always thought he was gonna be usefull at the least, and for what he was able to show, he is still almost unplayable in defense and in offense he plays well with the ball but off it he has not shown much smarts.

You might be the one scratching your bottom TBH. Unplayable on defense shows ignorance and offensively he wasn't a shooter which made the pairing with Manu awkward bc Manu needs shooters around him that's no secret, but he's improved his shot a lot and is still younger than Garino.

I am hoping for the best for Garino, from the very beginning I stated he had a chance, but to assume he's better than Anderson even right now is really homerism, which frankly you can admit. Dude still needs to make the team to start and has the same uphill climb all rookies have. He's got a low ceiling as a 3-D roleplayer who is a bit older than other rookies. There's a reason he went undrafted and it can be seen in his limited game. Anderson is a lot more versatile on both ends, Simmons is a versatile offensive player and Bertans is the one who has a limited game, but he's such a pure shooter that Garino won't even come close. I have thought for a while he has a good chance based on his defensive hustle but he's not the better player of the 4 guys here.

[dabom]

I said Fathead was a POS player last year. I wasn't wrong.

[ernest787]

I said Fathead was a POS player last year. I wasn't wrong.

but he improved his shot... but it's Manu's fault b/c they can't play together... but.. but.. but...

SAgirl calling people off for homerism

[sasaint]

PG: Parker, Mills, Murray
SG: Green, Manu, Simmons
SF: Kawhi, Anderson, Bertans .. There's a reason why Forbes and Garino were undrafted. There's a reason why no team offered them full guaranteed deals (like GPII) . Those two players are not better than any of those 9 players ahead of them. So yes, they'd be buried on the bench in a suit or in Austin.

I do not expect Anderson to back up Kawhi any more than Boris did, so I think we are thin on the wing. I expect Kyle to become a point 4 a la Boris. He has a slightly different skill set than Boris, and he needs experience to develop Boris' savvy, but I expect him to fill that role - hopefully, sooner rather than later.

[sasaint]

had to laugh at your homerism. In no world is he better than Anderson and for Simmons that is yet to be seen.

I think you got sucked into playing with "their" ball on "their" home court. Trying to be objective, I see posters on ST falling into roughly 3 groups. One group just seems to passionately dislike the guy (and his appearance). A second group seems to project him as a SF and (justifiably) see him washing out. The third group projects him as a PF, playing Boris' role (more or less) and sees a relatively high ceiling for a very young guy who has been slowly developing his game and has yet to be utilized in the role we foresee for him. This season should tell what Pop intends for him and, consequently which group is right.

Garino, though, may well be a better bet at SF. Comparing him and Kyle is absolutely apples and oranges.

[TheGreatYacht]

Garino has shown some good things and i do not entirely agree with apo.

On the plus side i would say he is a very good positional player, both on offense and defense, that is a huge, HUGE plus for our team as we rely a lot on positioning and outsmarting our opponents.
On defense he does very well both on and off the ball, and on offense he is always in the right place and is smart for cuts inside, even some penetrations off a curl.
He is clearly not a shot creator, nor for himself or others, but is not an unwilling passer or a bad decision maker. The problem in argentina is that if the ball was in his hands to make a decision, is because the defense was already ahead of the offense in that play.
He has a pretty good 3pt shot that i see no problem translating to the NBA distance, has a slow release but nothing out of the ordinary, and he has a good one pump-shot for when defenses closes on him.
Also the main problem for him not being a shot creator is his iffy dribling, yet Green has showed that you don´t need to be elite in that aspect to succeed in the Spurs.

Nothing flashy, for me is the usual spurs blue collar guy, and i think he will be in front of Anderson and Simmons very soon.

^ Argie

[TheGreatYacht]

After watching this guy.... I'm with SAGirl

Anderson >>>>>>>>>>> Garino

And it isn't close.

[phxspurfan]

looked slow and soft in the USA game. Also didn't seem to have killer instinct when shooting, kind of shot it timidly. But has some size. Kind of a poor mans Kyle Anderson with less court vision and slightly better shot.

[tonight...you]

^ Argie

^ Mexican

[gospursgojas]

Offense+

- He can really set good offball screens. A sign of good character...alot of that has to do with his length and somewhat wider frame for an SF.

- He seems to be confident with his Three point shooting ability and so he doesnt hesitate when he's wide open. That's a must for any player wanting to make it to the NBA

- He's unselfish and will make the extra pass if need be.

Offense-

- He doesnt do anything at all offensively, to be honest.

.

Well which is it?

[Keepin' it real]

He sucks. I saw the game. Not NBA material.

[SAGirl]

I think you got sucked into playing with "their" ball on "their" home court. Trying to be objective, I see posters on ST falling into roughly 3 groups. One group just seems to passionately dislike the guy (and his appearance). A second group seems to project him as a SF and (justifiably) see him washing out. The third group projects him as a PF, playing Boris' role (more or less) and sees a relatively high ceiling for a very young guy who has been slowly developing his game and has yet to be utilized in the role we foresee for him. This season should tell what Pop intends for him and, consequently which group is right.

Garino, though, may well be a better bet at SF. Comparing him and Kyle is absolutely apples and oranges.

You are right. Some guys are not worth chatting with and they are on my ignore list (others are obvious trolls alts, when I see a troll with only 300 posts, that is someone trying to inflate the trolling with an alt, yea its pathetic). Not that Kaji is that, he's just a local Argentinian fan who is going to have homer glasses.

In reality the summer is always the time for overhyping undrafted guys and not all of them pan out. The vast majority is Austin bound. Last season for example Simmons was being called the second coming of Manu, a playmaking SG who could slash on the PnR. He was even more flashy and had good reason to get ppl hyped up over the summer. Then he struggled as a rookie, and was close to getting cut. He is still working on his game to break through and I am optimistic about him, I think that he will. I would say Simmons was by far the more impressive undrafted guy out of the two between him and Garino and he commanded at least one season fully guaranteed, which Garino did not.

Bertans is in another stratosphere having gotten 2 years fully guaranteed and being a known commodity as a knock down shooter.

As for Kyle, the troll brigade is ignorant. I won't say much about him as I have chatted a lot about him elsewhere, and this thread is about Garino after all, but he already played a lot of minutes towards the second half of the season and is a guy Pop came to trust. He is only 22 and only going to trend up from here. You would think true Spurs fans would be happy about that, but such is the toxic crew that visits here and like to post (I am sure a lot of fans lurk but stay away lol).

What Pop decides to do with him for the season is on Pop. I think he will still be played all over in spots, bc he can adjust depending on who is playing beside him. He's so versatile with ball handling/shooting/passing/defense/rebounding/BBIQ that it doesn't matter. His weakness was shooting and I would expect him to improve that this season. Him being that versatile is a good thing, it's something very few players can do well.

Now if the coach wanted to maximize what he specifically could do for the team, he would be put more often in positions to make decisions with the ball. My guess is he's going to be tested in situations this season and Manu coming back is meant as help and not to have Manu shoulder the burden since that should not be his role at 39 and they need to be getting other guys ready. I would expect Kyle (and Simmons, Murray, or Bertans) to be more involved in what the bench are doing this season. For a limited role like Kyle had last season, standing in a corner, Garino is ideal but that is not probably the kind of guys that the Spurs will prioritize bc soon as Manu retires they need offensive players and ballhandlers in the bench and Garino is not that. He could be Austin bound or if he makes the team as the 15th guy will still be Austin bound and needs to develop his game.

[kaji157]

You might be the one scratching your bottom TBH. Unplayable on defense shows ignorance and offensively he wasn't a shooter which made the pairing with Manu awkward bc Manu needs shooters around him that's no secret, but he's improved his shot a lot and is still younger than Garino.

I am hoping for the best for Garino, from the very beginning I stated he had a chance, but to assume he's better than Anderson even right now is really homerism, which frankly you can admit. Dude still needs to make the team to start and has the same uphill climb all rookies have. He's got a low ceiling as a 3-D roleplayer who is a bit older than other rookies. There's a reason he went undrafted and it can be seen in his limited game. Anderson is a lot more versatile on both ends, Simmons is a versatile offensive player and Bertans is the one who has a limited game, but he's such a pure shooter that Garino won't even come close. I have thought for a while he has a good chance based on his defensive hustle but he's not the better player of the 4 guys here.

I like you so I'll end it here. Let's see what happens.

[SAGirl]

I like you so I'll end it here. Let's see what happens.

To be fair from the very beginning I said he has a good shoot as his defense and BBIQ is evident and I think Spurs need that and JSimms himself is not standing on strong ground. I am not wishing him ill, but I also don't see him above the guys I cited above. If he makes the team and proves to be a contributor I won't be grumpy about it and if he doesn't it really is not my style to be bumping threads.

[DAF86]

Do you want the truth? Here it comes:

Garino is ing money on defense. He has the physical tools and mindset to be elite on that end. He also has a knack for getting offensive rebounds and lose balls.

The questions comes on offense. I know most of you have him as a 3 pt specialist, but the truth is that he wasn't particularly good at shooting 3's 'till a couple of years ago. And even now, he hesitates a lot to pull the trigger. He only takes wide ass open shots. Any semi-contested shot and he will get the ball out of his hands in a hurry. A good thing about him is that, unlike Danny Green, he has decent handles and can finish around the rim.

He's definitely worth a look. If Kawhi was able to develop into the shooter he is now, then Garino could easily become a pretty good 3 and D guy.

[dabom]

Some good quality posting.

[r0drig0lac]

There's nothing to be torn about. Forbes or Garino won't be relevant to the Spurs next year. Austin Spurs, yes. San Antonio Spurs, no. Spurs are stacked in the backcourt and at the wing already enough. If either makes the team, which I doubt will happen, they'll be buried on the bench in a suit or in Austin.

wut?

[cutewizard]

defender....................hmmmm..............

[kaji157]

To be fair from the very beginning I said he has a good shoot as his defense and BBIQ is evident and I think Spurs need that and JSimms himself is not standing on strong ground. I am not wishing him ill, but I also don't see him above the guys I cited above. If he makes the team and proves to be a contributor I won't be grumpy about it and if he doesn't it really is not my style to be bumping threads.

The problem that i have with JSimms is that he doesn´t seem to have been able to understand the team culture at all. While Anderson has all the tools to play a Ginobili role, but with Manu here he won´t be used much.
The only position up for the takes is the backup SF, and Garino and Bertans seems the ones going for it. Bertans is a play well or bust player and Garino seems more like a long term project.
But considering what the second unit will look like with Patty-Manu/Kyle-Garino/Bertans-Dedmon-Lee, that unit is clearly in more need of defense than scoring. And that´s why i think Garino will be over Kyle and JSimms if Bertans doesn´t shoot lights out.

[BackHome]

We lost because our Dunacan was hurt and Pop was using West as a center and we did not loose to Golden State we lost to OK. Need to get past OK and Clippers before GS.

[look_at_g_shred]

wut?

by stacked I think he's referring to quan y not quality.