he also did not mention manu
Lucky for spursfan that the King never called up Matt Barnes for advice on shaking Kiwi, tbh
Because 23 year old Lebron was as efficient as 28-29 year old peak Lebron... he was a 50.7% eFG% guy in 06-07 and 60%+ in his last two years in Miami.36 year old Bruce Bowen and 34 year old Finley did a better job than prime Kawhi
Don't get me wrong. I love Kawhi but saying he had a great defensive career vs James is just not true.
Can't compare Cleveland young Lebron to Miami Lebron.
Taking that same logic, it's funny how many on this board think they know more about the Spurs than Pop, even though they've never seen a practice and he thousands.
The Kingslayer
Appreciate the honesty, unlike Kobe not admitting Bowen defended him the best when everybody knows that's the truth.
I'm gonna binge-watch some old Aeon Flux toons.
Taking that same logic, it's funny how many on this board think they know more about the Spurs than Pop, even though they've never seen a practice and he thousands.
You bas ...
Ha ha!
I remember watching them on MTV, way back when on some weird cartoon variety show.Ha ha!
I think that's what it was...
Jesus, that was over 2 decades ago.
Liquid Television. Yep, feeling old.(Last season of AF was Timmy's junior year in college! )
Liquid Television, Yes! Damn! I seem to remember some weird foot fetish stuff that would be suggested, or shown in lots of episodes. Lots of images of tongues and moist sounds.Liquid Television. Yep, feeling old.
It would throw me off and it was already a weird 'toon to begin with. Like an audio pornilization.
Yep. There are a lot of foot and ear fetishes throughout. Though the "pornilization" doesn't really do it justice. There's some heady stuff go on beyond illation and violence. They use Aeon's skimpy out fit to draw you in but that's just the starting point. As I said, the 2 seasons of dialogue-less vignettes are great because they're pure visual story-telling that plays by its own rules (Aeon, for example, dies in about half the episodes). Part of the fun is the mystery of trying to figure out what is going on and makes for good repeat viewing. The third season, when it became more of a typical show with dialogue and longer conventional plots still had its moments, but then it feels more like any old sci-fi animae.
He's far from perfect though. He's in the spot to make the tough choices and like every choice in life, you don't always come out in the right side. He himself has expressed some regret over not playing some guys in certain series etc. Pop is open for debate as much as any player bc nothing transpires without his say so. He's fair game.
Taking that same logic, it's funny how many on this board think they know more about the Spurs than Pop, even though they've never seen a practice and he thousands.
You can criticize him as you wish, of course. And topics on a forum like this will naturally include discussions of alternatives the coaching staff and front office could have made. No one is infallible. But in general, I realize Pop sees these players several orders of magnitude more than we do. So, I'm going to go with what he does much more often than not.
I think there is a real mob mentality on here, where every time we lose its because "someone screwed up" whether that's Pop, or a player, or RC (for not getting a real or hypothetical player that everyone wanted). I tend to look at it like poker where you play the probabilities over a long game. And Pop, RC and our players (which includes Tony Parker folks) have put us into a position to contend for a very long time. You can't win them all, all you can ask is to be in a position when you realistically could and then every individual season is a crap shoot. Over time, the team that is always contending will usually win more les as we've seen this played out for us over the last two decades.
So I weigh "Pop didn't play player X when some guy or gal on a message board wanted him to" as a minor sin against the Spurs general success over the years.
For example because of my Latvian connection, I'll be pissed if Pop doesn't play Bertans this year. But I'm mature enough to realize that my anger and disappointment are likely because of my own biases not because Pop "is an idiot."
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And that is fair, but he is far from infallible and his own assessment of situations is also far from completely objective. It's obvious he gives more leeway to certain guys than others. Sure some guys have earned it, but there is subjectivity at all levels. In fact all decisions are opinions. I am not arrogant to think I know better but as hindisight is always 20/20 I am sure even he has learned from things where he screwed it up himself.
Hah! I just remembered RC admitting how he and the FO screwed up the rerecruitment of Tim intially when he was up for FA. They were lucky Tim is the individual that he is and that Pop had built up a good bond with him (and frankly had they not ever won, it's hard to say that would not have been similar to the Durant situation). These guys do make mistakes. It's actually a better discussion to talk about those bc those are actual decisions than to talk about Tony declining, who can do nothing about being 34 and in his current career stage. Even what happens with that ultimately is on POp.
I addressed some of what you said in the addendum I made to my previous post. But when pointing out those alleged mistakes (I say "alleged" because usually there is no consensus among the pissed off posters on this site. All they know is we didn't win, and then say Pop should have done a dozen different things, most of them conflicting. What I say is the very fact that we've been a serious playoff team for so long means in the aggregate Pop, his staff, RC and our key players are making the right decisions.) And as they have that history, I personally tend to be slow to rush to criticize them, while some here (not you) seek the instant gratification of being "out for blood" after every loss.
And, there are, of course, those who are actually rooting for the Spurs to lose so they can say "I told you so" about Pop, a key player, or some poster who showed optimism, etc.
Look how many on here seem to want Kyle to fail so they can say to you "I told you so"? As a Spur fan I try to never root against any player. Especially when the vast majority of our players seem like good guys.
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One of the things that is a shtick for some guys who are really truly "the haters" vs fans who just comment and give opinions is precisely how strongly they wish players in the team fail.
I mean everyone has their opinion and favorites and that is fine. In fact it's inevitable bc not a single player is flawless.
To have opinions and favorites is one thing. But to actively wish that someone in the team fails is screwed up. If they don't come through, team loses. It's that simple. You see how much 36 yr old Pau cost to get and LMA cost a sum too... and it's not just what they cost, it's the opportunity cost. Acquiring both required ditching contracts for guys, or not being able to resign guys who previously provided depth and produced. At this point Spurs are compelled to develop and rebuild that depth with urgency, and the problem of losing depth is only compounded by having Tony/Pau/Manu still as key contributors in the team and on the decline and/or soon to retire.
Spurs will have a huge talent loss and lack of support for Kawhi if they don't develop guys. To wish young players the team has spent resources developing is to wish the Spurs to fail quite simply, as the vets will continue to decline and only so much can be replenished in FA. In fact attempting to just replace the PG spot in the next couple of seasons and resigning guys will take all the team's budget. If anything Spur fan should root for these guys to grow up and pull through, but that is not what these trolls visit the site for, they don't root for the team but to spew their hate for certain guys and promote their favorite. I just got to put some guys on ignore myself. To each their own.
I agree. 100% And you're right, you can't keep replacing young guys with FA's. That's a losing game (see "Nash" era Lakers). I'm rooting for everyone of our young guys to develop. Which means (as I counter my previous points about criticizing Pop) that Pop has to give them playing time even at the sacrifice of a few wins. As long as we keep ahead of LAC (the only threat to bump us out of #2 in the West)and ideally Cleveland (in case we were to meet in the Finals) I wouldn't mind some losses as long as the youth train rolls forward.
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Truth, but Pop does do some mind boggling sometimes like a mad scientist and rides it into the ground. Dude is a legend though, the only coach I want for this team tbh.
Taking that same logic, it's funny how many on this board think they know more about the Spurs than Pop, even though they've never seen a practice and he thousands.
I was toó young back then, beavis & butthead was all my mind could take, there was some Cartoon about a guy with a giant head and a monster living inside and aeon flux, we even had a live show here in argentina but the most disturbing thing to me was peter chung doing aeon flux and then rugrats, I was like WTF?Ha ha!
Agreed. Its what some fans have advocated. I am sure guys have to meet certain standards to play: defensive first and not TO the ball, but they should get chances. Hopefully we witness some players "growing up". It's an exciting part of the new Spurs, to witness the development of young players, to see Kawhi continue to develop into a dominant star alongside new teammates now. TBH it lessens the blow a little from Tim loss /sniff and the Manu nostalgia, or Tony issues. I prefer to focus on enjoying the development of young players myself than on berating the old. I am actually super excited for the season bc I don't focus so much on Tony/Manu etc.
^ Sorry I brought up Tim.. still hurts.
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