Tony: "I Want to Play 5 More Years with the Spurs"

[gambit1990]

Why do you speak in absolutes? You don't know what either would do since they aren't placed in the position.

And even if Tony isn't a "PG" - which he clearly is - his feel for the game, ball handling and ability to run an offense is much, much better than Mills (undersized SG) and Murray (chucking, combo guard ala Jamal Crawford).

No one on the roster is fit to take his spot, yet. They gotta add that player soon and Tony should be willing to take an even lesser role. That'll be the only way he can play 5 more seasons, IMO.

because i know what i'm talking about. i called parker not being good enough when people on here thought he should be an all star. he's not getting any younger.

we haven't seen murray with the spurs... mills doesn't hold the ball like parker.

[J_Paco]

because i know what i'm talking about. i called parker not being good enough when people on here thought he should be an all star. he's not getting any younger.

we haven't seen murray with the spurs... mills doesn't hold the ball like parker.

Wow, that proves so much........

You predicted a player would age and get worse. Amazing analysis!!!

Can you give me Tuesday's MegaMillions numbers while you're at it, Ms. Cleo?

[dabom]

Wow, that proves so much........

You predicted a player would age and get worse. Amazing analysis!!!

Can you give me Tuesday's MegaMillions numbers while you're at it, Ms. Cleo?

Funny cause half the board thought he would bounce back many times through a couple of years. If it was so easy, I guess those other people must be huge ing morons then to not see it either right?

[SASdynasty!]

Thegreatyacht and SASDynasty I have a question for the 2 of you and it's simple. If you were the spurs gm right now and you had to get rid of either Leonard or Parker tomorrow, which one of those guys are you letting go. Just a simple answer will do. No need to explain your answer. I just want to see you type "parker" for clarification that you're mentally incompetent to hold a serious discussion so I can never respond to you 2 again. That's all. Nothing personal.

Before you call people incompetent, you might want to check your phrasing. My answer is Parker. I'll let you figure out if I'm incompetent based on your wording.

[GSH]

I think they should start a Senior NBA. We could see all our old favorite players hobble around and cheer for them. Parker could play five more years for the Senior Spurs. Or the Silver Spurs?

[K...]

I think they should start a Senior NBA. We could see all our old favorite players hobble around and cheer for them. Parker could play five more years for the Senior Spurs. Or the Silver Spurs?

I've wanted this for awhile too because I want guys like Kobe to stick around and not embarrass himself. Ray Allen is another good player.

I think the nba should do more alt content to meet their demand for tv do they cut the number of games. Promote the d league is another priority.

[ElNono]

I think they should start a Senior NBA. We could see all our old favorite players hobble around and cheer for them. Parker could play five more years for the Senior Spurs. Or the Silver Spurs?

The Nostalgia Basketball Association... oh wait that's taken...

[tbdog]

The Spurs will have to play a tone of Horns, which makes sense. All our bigs, save Dedmond, can play Horns. For those who don't know what Horns is, imagine one of the bigs getting the ball at the edge of the key, this can include Leonard. Parker, Manu, Simmons will cut to the basket with a screen by the other big who is on the opposite edge of the key, the passer will look for the cut, if not, the cutter can then rotate to the corner or set a backscreen for another player or for the big that rotates to the basket. That would be our new loop. Hoping to create a switch on the cut as especially LMA and Gasol have to be respected with their jumpers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt3C_NB5n70

The offense will look a little different when Mills and Green are out there, as both are not great cutters and finishers around the basket. But both can do well on the Elevator screen which suits Horns set up. Elevator is like a elevator door. Both big man stand on the both edges of the key just like Horns but they won't have the door. Mills/green will run a simple cut or staggered screen then shoot up from near under the hoop and straight to the top of the three point line. Both bigs then will close to door allowing Green and Mills to perform a catch a shoot at the center of the three point line. From there you look for the switch. If the big switchers on the shooter, the big runs down to the block for the entry pass.

I dare say these two move sets will be the basic foundation of the Spurs offensive system and Zipper Loop will be replaced as Parker just effective on the loop anymore.

[Snaq O'Meal]

So in your analogy, who were the 3 guys better than Parker in 2007?

Let me help you out:

2007 Regular Season:

Tim Duncan: 20/11/3 on 55%
Tony Parker: 19/6/3 on 52%
Manu Ginobili: 17/4/4 on 46%
Michael Finley: 9/3/1 on 41%

2007 Playoffs:

Tim Duncan: 22/12/3 on 52%
Tony Parker: 21/6/3 on 48%
Manu Ginobili: 17/6/4 on 40%
Michael Finley: 11/3/3 on 41%

2007 Finals:

Tony Parker: 25/5/3 on 57%
Tim Duncan: 18/12/4 on 45% (Duncan dipped quite a bit in the Finals)
Manu Ginobili: 18/6/3 on 37% (wow)
Bruce Bowen: 6/6/1 on 30% (haha)

In reality, the rest of the team played really bad in the Finals. Thankfully Parker outplayed Lebron bad enough to where it didn't become a series.

So yet another case of a false narrative. Wow, you guys are really good at coming up with new ways to express fiction. Also, that would have been a great analogy if there were 3 players that carried the load in 2007. Too bad it was Duncan and Parker that did that job as usual.

The whole point of that LOTR analogy was that nobody was stated to be better than the others, merely everyone had a job to do. That point was evidently lost on you due to your fixation on Parker being better than everyone else (even Duncan).

The most monumental task of that 2007 series with the Cavs was slowing down a very dominant LeBron James. Since you claimed that Parker outplayed LeBron while the others didn't carry the load, can you please explain what Parker did defensively to slow LeBron down?

And speaking of defence, why is Parker's impact on that end not reflected in advanced stats (i.e. those that also take defensive contributions into account)? Since you like to quote numbers so much, care to explain the following 2007 play-offs stats?

WS
Duncan 3.3
Ginobili 2.6
Parker 1.6

WS/48
Duncan .214
Ginobili .204
Parker .100

BPM
Duncan 7.2
Ginobili 6.3
Parker 0.5

VORP
Duncan 1.7
Ginobili 1.3
Parker 0.5

[Diego20]

The whole point of that LOTR analogy was that nobody was stated to be better than the others, merely everyone had a job to do. That point was evidently lost on you due to your fixation on Parker being better than everyone else (even Duncan).

The most monumental task of that 2007 series with the Cavs was slowing down a very dominant LeBron James. Since you claimed that Parker outplayed LeBron while the others didn't carry the load, can you please explain what Parker did defensively to slow LeBron down?

And speaking of defence, why is Parker's impact on that end not reflected in advanced stats (i.e. those that also take defensive contributions into account)? Since you like to quote numbers so much, care to explain the following 2007 play-offs stats?

WS
Duncan 3.3
Ginobili 2.6
Parker 1.6

WS/48
Duncan .214
Ginobili .204
Parker .100

BPM
Duncan 7.2
Ginobili 6.3
Parker 0.5

VORP
Duncan 1.7
Ginobili 1.3
Parker 0.5

PPG dude, PPG

FMVP

[SASdynasty!]

The whole point of that LOTR analogy was that nobody was stated to be better than the others, merely everyone had a job to do. That point was evidently lost on you due to your fixation on Parker being better than everyone else (even Duncan).

The most monumental task of that 2007 series with the Cavs was slowing down a very dominant LeBron James. Since you claimed that Parker outplayed LeBron while the others didn't carry the load, can you please explain what Parker did defensively to slow LeBron down?

And speaking of defence, why is Parker's impact on that end not reflected in advanced stats (i.e. those that also take defensive contributions into account)? Since you like to quote numbers so much, care to explain the following 2007 play-offs stats?

WS
Duncan 3.3
Ginobili 2.6
Parker 1.6

WS/48
Duncan .214
Ginobili .204
Parker .100

BPM
Duncan 7.2
Ginobili 6.3
Parker 0.5

VORP
Duncan 1.7
Ginobili 1.3
Parker 0.5

As I've said a million times on this forum, advanced stats show guys like Boban to be our best player. This is why I value them much less than who actually carries the scoring load (which is how you win games in basketball) and if you shoot well from the field while doing it. Replacements stats are theoretical stats that show what would have happened in a universe that doesn't exist. That's great and goes right along with all you guys' arguments such as "if the Spurs had CP3, we'd have 8 les." Ok I guess there is no argument against that.

As far as Parker's defense, what exactly do you want to see? Will you accept things like this?

2014 Regular Season:

Lebron James: 27/7/6 on 57%
Mario Chalmers: 10/5/3 on 45%

2014 NBA Finals:

Lebron James: 28/8/4 on 57%
Mario Chalmers: 4/3/1 on 33%

So Parker shut down his guy while Kawhi let his guy get his numbers. But we all knew that.

[TheGreatYacht]

As I've said a million times on this forum, advanced stats show guys like Boban to be our best player. This is why I value them much less than who actually carries the scoring load (which is how you win games in basketball) and if you shoot well from the field while doing it. Replacements stats are theoretical stats that show what would have happened in a universe that doesn't exist. That's great and goes right along with all you guys' arguments such as "if the Spurs had CP3, we'd have 8 les." Ok I guess there is no argument against that.

As far as Parker's defense, what exactly do you want to see? Will you accept things like this?

2014 Regular Season:

Lebron James: 27/7/6 on 57%
Mario Chalmers: 10/5/3 on 45%

2014 NBA Finals:

Lebron James: 28/8/4 on 57%
Mario Chalmers: 4/3/1 on 33%

So Parker shut down his guy while Kawhi let his guy get his numbers. But we all knew that.

Holy

[Clipper Nation]

Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that Mario Chalmers didn't put up a better statline than the greatest basketball player of all time?

Porkersuckers

[Clipper Nation]

For the record, the realists have used statistics all the time to show that Porker really is a scrub.

Porkersuckers have never had an answer to any of these stats:

Based on the dropoff in BPM from regular season to post-season:

Might as well have all the data in one place.



Just look at the dropoff in every advanced metric from season(RS) to post-season(PS).

19.0 PER RS
16.9 PER PS

.147 WS/48 RS
.085 WS/48 PS

109 ORtg RS
103 ORtg PS

.550 TS% RS
.515 TS% PS

32.7% Assist Percentage RS
27.7% Assist Percentage PS

1.2 BPM RS
0.2 BPM PS

This season's choke:

16.2 PER RS
15.1 PER PS

.142 WS/48 RS
.099 WS/48 PS

108 ORtg RS
103 ORtg PS

.546 TS% RS
.499 TS% PS

29.1% Assist Percentage RS
32.8% Assist Percentage PS (wow, he actually improved at something in the playoffs for once!)

0.1 BPM RS
-0.5 BPM PS

Kareem, Jordan, Shaq, and Lebron never had a cancer like Tony Parker holding them back from repeating. Parker has always choked in every repeat year.

2004 vs LA:

.594 TS% - Manu
.534 TS% - Duncan
.421 TS% - Enrique

And Pop's plan was to give Tony the most shot attempts:

19 FGA/g - Enrique
15 FGA/g - Duncan
10 FGA/g - Manu

2006 vs Dallas:

.640 TS% - Manu
.615 TS% - Duncan
.478 TS% - Enrique

Duncan and Manu were beasting against the Mavs. Tony was chucking and wilting, holding them back.

2013 vs Heat:

.583 TS% - Kawhi
.554 TS% - Duncan
.472 TS% - Enrique

14.6 FGA/g - Enrique
14.6 FGA/g - Duncan
11.4 FGA/g - Kawhi

Outplayed by Mario Chalmers in games 6 and 7. lol MVP candidate. When Tony is your #1 option, you're ed.

[dabom]

It's proven Tony has been a choker his whole life.

[K...]

It's proven Tony has been a choker his whole life.

I would say inconsistent at worst and as I saw the games my opinion carries more weight

[dabom]

I would say inconsistent at worst and as I saw the games my opinion carries more weight

I saw the ing games too. I actually live here so my opinion carries more weight.

[gambit1990]

is steve nash available? he could probably average twice as many assists as parker did last season.

[Spur-Addict]

Should be primary scorer off the bench.

[LittleCriminal]

Hopefully its the Austin Spurs...

[Diego20]

As I've said a million times on this forum, advanced stats show guys like Boban to be our best player. This is why I value them much less than who actually carries the scoring load (which is how you win games in basketball) and if you shoot well from the field while doing it. Replacements stats are theoretical stats that show what would have happened in a universe that doesn't exist. That's great and goes right along with all you guys' arguments such as "if the Spurs had CP3, we'd have 8 les." Ok I guess there is no argument against that.

As far as Parker's defense, what exactly do you want to see? Will you accept things like this?

2014 Regular Season:

Lebron James: 27/7/6 on 57%
Mario Chalmers: 10/5/3 on 45%

2014 NBA Finals:

Lebron James: 28/8/4 on 57%
Mario Chalmers: 4/3/1 on 33%

So Parker shut down his guy while Kawhi let his guy get his numbers. But we all knew that.

got keep putting Boban as an example

[gambit1990]

got keep putting Boban as an example

using mario chalmers as an example

[SASdynasty!]

is steve nash available? he could probably average twice as many assists as parker did last season.

Lol, Parker sending Nash home 4 times in the playoffs wasn't enough for you? The 2008 embarrassment wasn't enough for you? How bad did you want Parker to outscore Nash in the playoffs to make up for those assists?

[gambit1990]

there's not a time in chalmer's career where i'd even want him as a back up pg.

[SASdynasty!]

using mario chalmers as an example

Hey you guys are the ones who always bring up Chalmers. I'm just showing you where Parker cut hit production in half in the playoffs. Too bad our DPOY couldn't hold his matchup to his averages.