Charter schools more efficient? +30% more $$/student

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Need to deregulate charter schools even more.

[Nbadan]

Private schools are just another way for the rich to stick it to the poor.....in Finland, who consistently have the best educated kids, there are no private schools......that way, the rich have a vested interest in improving the public school system...

[boutons_deux]

Private schools are just another way for the rich to stick it to the poor.....in Finland, who consistently have the best educated kids, there are no private schools......that way, the rich have a vested interest in improving the public school system...

segregation (by skin and economic class) and Christian extremist indoctrination in Christian madrassas are primary motivations for whites and Christian Taliban, but the motivation of the VRWC/BigCorop wealthy is to get their filthy hands on $Ts of taxes that support public schools while destroying teachers unions as Dem financial supporters.

[rmt]

Sometimes I doubt whether you guys really want what is best for kids' education. Why do you care who does the educating if the result is better for the kids? Does it matter whether it's a private en y or not? Why then do you continue to be against school choice and for strong teachers' unions (and the inability to get rid of bad teachers) - basically trapping poor kids in bad schools and giving them no choice in the matter.

[boutons_deux]

I never doubt rmt is totally misinformed and ignorant, willfully.

[CosmicCowboy]

I never doubt rmt is totally misinformed and ignorant, willfully.

That's really rich coming from Boutons, the forum clown act.

[rmt]

The charter schools here in Miami-Dade and Broward have LONG waiting lists and are highly desirable to parents. They might not be so where you are but school choice gives students a CHOICE. If a charter school (or public school) is bad, then it should go the way it does in the private sector, out of business.

[boutons_deux]

That's really rich coming from Boutons, the forum clown act.

Join TSA in licking your bloody butt, stalker

[CosmicCowboy]

You are such a racist hateful piece of . Way to continue to demonstrate your "Christianity" you worthless

C'mon dude. That is uncalled for.

[CosmicCowboy]

Maybe so. But her inability to form even the most basic thought without having it fed to her is pathetic. And her overt racism and classism along with her complete misrepresentation of the teachings of Christ, due to the very same s that give her her opinions is offensive.

She basically just stated fact. The charter schools in Broward County Florida have long waiting lists. it's an easy google fact to verify. It certainly makes one wonder why the parents want their kid to go there if they aren't doing a better job of educating kids than the alternative.

[RandomGuy]

Sometimes I doubt whether you guys really want what is best for kids' education. Why do you care who does the educating if the result is better for the kids? Does it matter whether it's a private en y or not? Why then do you continue to be against school choice and for strong teachers' unions (and the inability to get rid of bad teachers) - basically trapping poor kids in bad schools and giving them no choice in the matter.

... and if charter schools have no oversight, as Mr. Oliver pointed out, this "free market" experiment isn't like pizza. Kids and parents lives and education are at stake.

I agree we should get rid of bad teachers, but I don't think that, in and of itself, is a panacea. Plenty of places with weak unions have ty education.

[boutons_deux]

bad teachers

bad teachers are like Muslim terrorists, used by the rightwingnuts/Repugs/VRWC to denigrate, persecute, criminalize the entire class.

[CosmicCowboy]

Did you seriously just ask that? The difference between a funded school where they can select their students vs public schools in red states where the state actively cuts funding?

congrats you just proved to be mongoloid stupid

Where did you read that funds were cut for non-charter schools because of charter schools? The people in Florida seem to tell a different story.

http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/o...e64658637.html

[rmt]

Magnet and charter school students here are chosen by lottery. The only advantage is for siblings of students already in the school (so it easier for the family/transportation) and even the siblings are in a lottery too - siblings are not automatically in.

I worked for the School Board and in addition to 10 sick days, 2 personal days and 13 public holidays every year, I got 3 weeks vacation for the first 2 1/2 years. After that, I got 5 weeks vacation. Employees are vested after 6 years and all the sick and vacation leave is calculated into the pension. When I had my first child, I took 1 year maternity leave and another year personal leave. I had my second child and took another year maternity - that's 3 years when the School Board paid my health, legal, disability, life, etc insurance. Multiply that by thousands of teachers/administrators for 30-48 years and their pension until age 87-88. Now, I realize that this might be overly generous compared to others as Miami-Dade is the 4th largest school district in the nation but one can see how a charter school which is not bound to benefits/time off package could run more efficiently and cheaper - they can also get rid of bad teachers as there is no union to contend with.

Next school year, Florida will have complete public school choice - you can go to any public school (even across county lines) in Florida as long as there is space. This will allow any parent who is unhappy with their school to place their child in any school along their way to work, in relatives' schools or near to work.

[CosmicCowboy]

Magnet and charter school students here are chosen by lottery. The only advantage is for siblings of students already in the school (so it easier for the family/transportation) and even the siblings are in a lottery too - siblings are not automatically in.

I worked for the School Board and got 3 weeks vacation for the first 2 1/2 years. After that, I got 5 weeks vacation in addition to 10 sick days, 2 personal days and 13 public holidays. Employees are vested after 6 years and all the sick and vacation leave is calculated into the pension. When I had my first child, I took 1 year maternity leave and another year personal leave. I had my second child and took another year maternity - that's 3 years when the School Board paid my health, legal, disability, life, etc insurance. Multiply that by thousands of teachers/administrators for 30-48 years and their pension until age 87-88. Now, I realize that this might be overly generous compared to others as Miami-Dade is the 4th largest school district in the nation but one can see how a charter school which is not bound to benefits/time off package could run more efficiently and cheaper - they can also get rid of bad teachers as there is no union to contend with.

Next school year, Florida will have complete public school choice - you can go to any public school (even across county lines) in Florida as long as there is space. This will allow any parent who is unhappy with their school to place their child in any school along their way to work, in relatives' schools or near to work.

Dang. Bet they can get some ringer football teams that way.