...Failing our children on Evolution

[baseline bum]

Meh.It will die the slow death of irrelevance, like any other fairy tale, collapsing under the weight of its failures.Let people believe in magic happy lands you can go to after your brain/body gives out, I guess.Just don't force those beliefs on me.

I doubt it, religion isn't going anywhere. It's an extremely important part of many people's social lives and often a hub for tying communities together. I don't think it's such a bad thing at local levels, though I truly hate the megachurch pastors like Hagee and Copeland who get filthy rich off scaring people and preaching a ridiculous far right wing ideology while also influencing national policy.

[vy65]

All I've seen has been tribalist cheerleading, not any direct answers to the question... but admittedly I haven't really checked in on those ridiculous threads in a while so maybe someone finally answered the question.

Maybe you could summarize?

One poster suggested the need for a reformation, which I agree with. More pragmatic alternatives would include finding and empowering moderate Muslim clerics/leaders to reform the religion within. Funding democracy-promotion efforts (like single issue rights NGOs) in the Muslim world could be a good idea.

I think our leaders need to take a harder line approach towards Islam, but you and I disagree on that so I won't belabor the point.

There are plenty of other ideas in those threads that got lost in Blakes posting. I'm sure others have good ideas too if you care to look.

[vy65]

My kid goes to a Christian school because it's still a better set up for her than the public schools.

Lol false equivalence

So funding the creation of the ideology you rail incessantly about online is ok when it's convenient to you.

You complain about posters not having any idea about what to do with Islam, but at least they're not finding it. What you're doing is 10x worse.

You've got nary room. Your Neal raped too.

[mingus]

no objection to Christian voting for whomever they want, or brainwashing their kids in Christian madrasas (but not with taxpayer financing).

The objection is to the Christian Taliban trying to force their Bible, ethics, morals, fantasies, Christian sharia, dictates onto non-Christians, and into secular, taxpayer ins utions.

That's fine but you wouldn't be getting rid of Christianity in politics. In fact you'd probably just wave the flames of their self-persecution & moral superiority complexes even more. It segues into more in the closet religion in politics & less overt. But it still burns in them just the same & possibly even more than before. There's really nothing you can do short of ripping kids away from their parents & or removing people from their rural farms & trailer houses.

[Blake]

One poster suggested the need for a reformation, which I agree with. More pragmatic alternatives would include finding and empowering moderate Muslim clerics/leaders to reform the religion within. Funding democracy-promotion efforts (like single issue rights NGOs) in the Muslim world could be a good idea.

I think our leaders need to take a harder line approach towards Islam, but you and I disagree on that so I won't belabor the point.

There are plenty of other ideas in those threads that got lost in Blakes posting. I'm sure others have good ideas too if you care to look.

Yeah, reform what exactly?

You guys throw that out and then run away when asked what that even means.

You're an idiot.

[Blake]

That's fine but you wouldn't be getting rid of Christianity in politics. In fact you'd probably just wave the flames of their self-persecution & moral superiority complexes even more. It segues into more in the closet religion in politics & less overt. But it still burns in them just the same & possibly even more than before. There's really nothing you can do short of ripping kids away from their parents & or removing people from their rural farms & trailer houses.

Taking In God We Trust off money would be a decent start.

If they get butt hurt, em.

[vy65]

Yeah, reform what exactly?

You guys throw that out and then run away when asked what that even means.

You're an idiot.

Are you really so obtuse that you need it spelled out more for you? You've been given plenty of specifics, so I'm starting to think you refuse to believe the nasty Muslims do to gays and women and apostates and "unbelievers" in the name of Islam? Are you unaware of conservative clerics contorting doctrine to support these actions? Do you honestly not get it?

[Blake]

So funding the creation of the ideology you rail incessantly about online is ok when it's convenient to you.

You complain about posters not having any idea about what to do with Islam, but at least they're not finding it. What you're doing is 10x worse.

You've got nary room. Your Neal raped too.

Damn you're really really stupid.

[vy65]

Yeah, reform what exactly?

You guys throw that out and then run away when asked what that even means.

You're an idiot.

What about the other alternatives (empowering moderate Muslims, supporting democracy promotion efforts, NGOs, etc)? Do you have an opinion on those alternatives?

You really need to drop the CD act. You're not good at it.

[vy65]

Damn you're really really stupid.

Cool. Very well thought out and intelligent post. Thanks!

[Blake]

Are you really so obtuse that you need it spelled out more for you? You've been given plenty of specifics, so I'm starting to think you refuse to believe the nasty Muslims do to gays and women and apostates and "unbelievers" in the name of Islam? Are you unaware of conservative clerics contorting doctrine to support these actions? Do you honestly not get it?

Oh the ol' "why aren't you getting it"

We're done until you explain how you're gonna legally force the Muslims to reform.

[Blake]

Cool. Very well thought out and intelligent post. Thanks!

Yours is a lazy unintelligent post that leaves out all pros and cons.

The pros outweigh the cons in my situation.
You're stupid. You're welcome.

[vy65]

Oh the ol' "why aren't you getting it"

We're done until you explain how you're gonna legally force the Muslims to reform.

What the are you talking about. Not only is no one talking about legal reforms, I don't think that's the way to go at all. Everything that's been suggested concerns effectuating a cultural/ideological change. But I'm not surprised that obvious point was lost on you since you'd rather post stupidity.

[vy65]

Yours is a lazy unintelligent post that leaves out all pros and cons.

The pros outweigh the cons in my situation.
You're stupid. You're welcome.

Your pros and cons don't make you any less of a hypocrite.

[Blake]

Your pros and cons don't make you any less of a hypocrite.

False. You're stupid.

[Blake]

What the are you talking about. Not only is no one talking about legal reforms, I don't think that's the way to go at all. Everything that's been suggested concerns effectuating a cultural/ideological change. But I'm not surprised that obvious point was lost on you since you'd rather post stupidity.

If the Muslims don't want to reform, what are you gonna do about it?

Nothing. That's the point.

You're stupid.

[vy65]

If the Muslims don't want to reform, what are you gonna do about it?

Nothing. That's the point.

You're stupid.

the fact that you're asking this question clearly shows that you're not getting it. No one is suggesting that reforming Islam means holding a gun to Abu's head and making him renounce the worst parts of sharia law. That's not how change is effectuated. Change is accomplished by gradual cultural/ideological steps. Here, that would entail finding moderate clerics and empowering them to reach larger audiences. Will that change everything overnight? Of course not. But it is the first steps in a long process of ideological change

This should be obvious to anyone with a 7th grade reading level. But you're too caught up on your bad CD act of latching onto one point and posting it over and over. That doesn't work here because your simple question has been answered repeatedly by numerous posters.

[Blake]

I think our leaders need to take a harder line approach towards Islam

Not only is no one talking about legal reforms, I don't think that's the way to go at all.

No, really. ..you're a ing idiot.

[vy65]

Oh, so we're off the "what if they don't wanna" point?

You're quoting my post out of context. Read up on my posts with Spurminator and then get back to me on legal reforms.

[Blake]

You're all over the place as usual. Go yourself

[vy65]

No, I'm being pretty ing direct. But keep getting red faced and saying idiot! It's really working out well for you

[DarrinS]

Well, at least those Jeebo s are sculpting your kid's mind, Blake.

[Th'Pusher]

Yeah, reform what exactly?

You guys throw that out and then run away when asked what that even means.

You're an idiot.

When I said Islam needed a reformation I was suggesting something analogous to 95 theses Martin Luther issued criticizing Roman Catholic doctrine and practice which eventually led to the branching of the various Protestant religions.

[DarrinS]

When I said Islam needed a reformation I was suggesting something analogous to 95 theses Martin Luther issued criticizing Roman Catholic doctrine and practice which eventually led to the branching of the various Protestant religions.

^this. It has to come organically from within Islam.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree. But my agreement doesn't keep me from seeing Islam as a bigger piece of than Christianity. Both suck, but for different reasons and to differing degrees.

Not trying to be clever. Just showing the inanity of your pages and pages of wat u gon do bout Muslam posting

Literalist christians are just as bat chit crazy as the muslims. The only difference is that western christians understand that the majority of what the Bible and priests say is horse ; they call it figurative which basically means that the explicit is absurd so make up your own . Of course they hold onto all that they see as benefits like salvation if you say youre sorry and heaven and the like.

If the NT was actually followed we would subjugate our women, kill heretics, and all other manner of malfeasance too.