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    So let's move past her opponents school-yard rantings, and see what the grown up alternative is to moronic walls and magic fantasy deportations.

    We need comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to full and equal citizenship.
    "If we claim we are for family, then we have to pull together and resolve the outstanding issues around our broken immigration system. The American people support comprehensive immigration reform not just because it’s the right thing to do—and it is—but because they know it strengthens families, strengthens our economy, and strengthens our country. … We can’t wait any longer for a path to full and equal citizenship.
    Hillary, May 5, 2015"

    "Hillary has been committed to the immigrant rights community throughout her career. As president, she will work to fix our broken immigration system and stay true to our fundamental American values: that we are a nation of immigrants, and we treat those who come to our country with dignity and respect—and that we embrace immigrants, not denigrate them.
    As president, Hillary will:
    • Introduce comprehensive immigration reform. Hillary will introduce comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to full and equal citizenship within her first 100 days in office. It will treat every person with dignity, fix the family visa backlog, uphold the rule of law, protect our borders and national security, and bring millions of hardworking people into the formal economy.
    • End the three- and 10-year bars. The three- and 10-year bars force families—especially those whose members have different citizenship or immigration statuses—into a heartbreaking dilemma: remain in the shadows, or pursue a green card by leaving the country and loved ones behind.
    • Defend President Obama’s executive actions—known as DACA and DAPA—against partisan attacks. The Supreme Court’s deadlocked decision on DAPA was a heartbreaking reminder of how high the stakes are in this election. Hillary believes DAPA is squarely within the president’s authority and won’t stop fighting until we see it through. The estimated 5 million people eligible for DAPA—including DREAMers and parents of Americans and lawful residents—should be protected under the executive actions.
    • Do everything possible under the law to protect families. If Congress keeps failing to act on comprehensive immigration reform, Hillary will enact a simple system for those with sympathetic cases—such as parents of DREAMers, those with a history of service and contribution to their communities, or those who experience extreme labor violations—to make their case and be eligible for deferred action.
    • Enforce immigration laws humanely. Immigration enforcement must be humane, targeted, and effective. Hillary will focus resources on detaining and deporting those individuals who pose a violent threat to public safety, and ensure refugees who seek asylum in the U.S. have a fair chance to tell their stories.
    • End family detention and close private immigration detention centers. Hillary will end family detention for parents and children who arrive at our border in desperate situations and close private immigrant detention centers.
    • Expand access to affordable health care to all families. We should let families—regardless of immigration status—buy into the Affordable Care Act exchanges. Families who want to purchase health insurance should be able to do so.
    • Promote naturalization. Hillary will work to expand fee waivers to alleviate naturalization costs, increase access to language programs to encourage English proficiency, and increase outreach and education to help more people navigate the process.
    • Support immigrant integration. Hillary will create a national Office of Immigrant Affairs, support affordable integration services through $15 million in new grant funding for community navigators and similar organizations, and significantly increase federal resources for adult English language education and citizenship education. "



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    Fact sheet, as posted on campaign website.

    https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issue...ration-reform/

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    , let's see what her opponent has on offer on his website:

    "Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again

    The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan
    When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.
    Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
    1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
    2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Cons utional system of government must be enforced.
    3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

    Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
    For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even*published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have*been particularly harmed.

    The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the*“blood trail”*leads straight to Washington.

    In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking*3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.
    Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in*2013*alone).

    In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.
    The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

    Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. *We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

    Defend The Laws And Cons ution Of The United States
    America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Cons ution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:

    Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the*recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.

    Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.

    Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.

    Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.

    Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.

    Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.

    Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like*MS-13 and the*18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”

    End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration.*By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.
    Put American Workers First

    Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have*destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece*en led “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”

    The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently*live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.

    Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared*in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”
    Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:

    Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate*two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant*workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley*who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

    Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas,*like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and*incomes collapsing, we need*companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Pe ions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
    End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.
    Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa*jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.

    Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to*crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on*expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in*high crime neighborhoods in the United States.
    Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting*workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to*more moderate historical averages.

    [NOTE: ASTERISKS DENOTE LINKED ARTICLES ON WEBPAGE, GO THERE FOR FURTHER]

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...gration-reform

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    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...gration-reform

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    We can’t wait any longer for a path to full and equal citizenship. what a ing idiot thing to say
    they break the law once why would they not break it again?

    this country only has so much land and jobs. We get to many people no jobs for everyone.
    is she protecting the families that only have one mom and no dad? is she protecting families that both mom and dad have to work to pay their taxes? is she protecting the families for the ones that their love ones died by criminals?
    I am sorry the usa is so much better then other countries but if we keep taking people in it will not be!

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    We can’t wait any longer for a path to full and equal citizenship. what a ing idiot thing to say
    they break the law once why would they not break it again?

    this country only has so much land and jobs. We get to many people no jobs for everyone.
    is she protecting the families that only have one mom and no dad? is she protecting families that both mom and dad have to work to pay their taxes? is she protecting the families for the ones that their love ones died by criminals?
    I am sorry the usa is so much better then other countries but if we keep taking people in it will not be!
    Do you agree with Trump that we should repeal the 14th amendment to the Cons ution?

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    "the country only has so much land"

    (sighs) Sure ducks.

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    Hillary: blah blah blah blah blah

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    14th amendment to the Cons ution No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2.


    I think the ones that are here illegal should be thrown out! not wait 2 years for a court hearing in which they do not show up and we do not track them. Any respectable judge would see they came here illegal they should go back to their country.
    I think a legal usa citizen enjoys the right of the Cons ution

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    We can’t wait any longer for a path to full and equal citizenship. what a ing idiot thing to say
    they break the law once why would they not break it again?

    this country only has so much land and jobs. We get to many people no jobs for everyone.
    is she protecting the families that only have one mom and no dad? is she protecting families that both mom and dad have to work to pay their taxes? is she protecting the families for the ones that their love ones died by criminals?
    I am sorry the usa is so much better then other countries but if we keep taking people in it will not be!
    Triple the number of ICE officers
    How much do you want to spend on this? Who do we tax to pay for it?

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    the tax payer is already paying for it plenty of stats showing how much the illegals are costing the usa

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    14th amendment to the Cons ution No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2.


    I think the ones that are here illegal should be thrown out! not wait 2 years for a court hearing in which they do not show up and we do not track them. Any respectable judge would see they came here illegal they should go back to their country.
    I think a legal usa citizen enjoys the right of the Cons ution
    The problem with that is that if you are born here, you are, by definition legally here.

    What do we do with the infants who are US citizens?

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    we could use the drug money from the illegals!

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    the tax payer is already paying for it plenty of stats showing how much the illegals are costing the usa
    Immigrants are a net contributor to the US economy. Fact fail.

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    we could use the drug money from the illegals!
    How much is that?

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    Sigh. Really?

    Why am I trying to talk to ducks?

    Think I will see if I can finish Witcher 3. That seems more productive than trying to break through the alleged conservative emotional/informational bubble.

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    if their parents are not legal citizens I believe they should not be legal us citizens. All it does is make the illegals want to come over. We send the mom and dad back out or the infants can stay here and be adopted. IF the family wants to stay together they can leave together! No one is making the infant stay in the USA. I do fear bad to them. it may seem harsh but we can not afford them we are 19 trillion in dept. 10 million of it from the current president!

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    How much is that?
    report came out today it was around 9 billion!

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    Immigrants are a net contributor to the US economy. Fact fail.
    there are several over crowed schools in az and they come across the border to get schooling. Teachers have 35-40 students and that is way to many to properly teach everyone!

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    I have mixed feelings on this issue. I want the hard-working people here, who I see almost daily at my local Valero. But, I want to keep out the MS-13 type s . Sanctuary cities and stupid walls are not the answer.

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    Sigh. Really?

    Why am I trying to talk to ducks?

    Think I will see if I can finish Witcher 3. That seems more productive than trying to break through the alleged conservative emotional/informational bubble.
    How the are you close to finishing Witcher 3 bro? I think it took me a couple of months at least.

    The two expansions are highly worth getting: Hearts of Stone and Blood and Wine. Both great additions to the series.

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    Immigrants are a net contributor to the US economy. Fact fail.
    Illegal, you like to leave that part off. Now run off and google some bull spin that illegals are really great for our economy.

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    why are more people on foodstamp because they have no jobs if the illegals are improving the economy?
    the economy is not very good now

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    I have mixed feelings on this issue. I want the hard-working people here, who I see almost daily at my local Valero. But, I want to keep out the MS-13 type s . Sanctuary cities and stupid walls are not the answer.
    the babies I feel bad for
    a military married a illegal
    MARRIED 15 years and to lazy to do the paper work. Then they deported the mom or wife. Everyone cried. THEY WERE IN THE MILLIARY AND THEY HAD 15 years to do the paper work. They never started the process!

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    why are more people on foodstamp because they have no jobs if the illegals are improving the economy?
    the economy is not very good now
    Jobs at 151,000 instead of expected 180,000. Probably no September interest rate hike - they don't want the market tanking right before the election as it did in January after December interest rate hike.

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    if their parents are not legal citizens I believe they should not be legal us citizens. All it does is make the illegals want to come over.
    So then your answer is Yes, you would repeal (or at least rewrite) the Fourteenth Amendment.

    How exactly would you propose to define birthright citizenship in that alternate universe?

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    So then your answer is Yes, you would repeal (or at least rewrite) the Fourteenth Amendment.

    How exactly would you propose to define birthright citizenship in that alternate universe?
    this should be very easy for him to answer.

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