Tony Parker Vs Manu Ginobili...

[Kawhitstorm]

Parker 2007 NBA Playoffs:
vs Phoenix: 20.8/5.7 on 45%
vs Utah: 20.2/6.8 on 48%

Nash: 21/13 (TS: 60%)
D-Will: 26/8 (TS: 61%)
...aka the Spurs won despite Porker being outplayed by his counterparts.

Oh, and Eric Snow played 10 minutes per game that series.

My bad, how could have I left out the great Boobie Gibson.

He was the equivalent of 2003 Speedy Claxton.

The same Speedy Claxton that was closing out games over Porker.

[Phenomanul]

SuperManu, tbh

No one brings up that 2007-2008 season... but Manu Ginóbili was a legit MVP candidate despite not being a starter at all, one of only a couple of players all-time to lead their teams in scoring from the bench... (#7 in PER at his career best 24.3 / #4 in VORP at his career best 5.9 behind LeBron, CP3, and Kobe / #3 in plus-minus at 8.1 behind LeBron and CP3). The 46 points he dropped on Lebron at Cleveland that season (on 15/20 shots) is still one of the most efficient games ever by anyone. Freaking Stern and his cronies fixing that season via a Joey Crawford no-call... the league so desparately wanted a Lakers/Celtics finals that year and got their wish... The whole plane on the tarmac debacle prior to Game 1 vs. L.A. and the Game 5 officiating were vomit-inducing... but yeah that game epitomized Ginobili's abilty to take over games.

[SAGirl]

[ElNono]

No one brings up that 2007-2008 season... but Manu Ginóbili was a legit MVP candidate despite not being a starter at all, one of only a couple of players all-time to lead their teams in scoring from the bench... (#7 in PER at his career best 24.3 / #4 in VORP at his career best 5.9 behind LeBron, CP3, and Kobe / #3 in plus-minus at 8.1 behind LeBron and CP3). The 46 points he dropped on Lebron at Cleveland that season (on 15/20 shots) is still one of the most efficient games ever by anyone. Freaking Stern and his cronies fixing that season via a Joey Crawford no-call... the league so desparately wanted a Lakers/Celtics finals that year and got their wish... The whole plane on the tarmac debacle prior to Game 1 vs. L.A. and the Game 5 officiating were vomit-inducing... but yeah that game epitomized Ginobili's abilty to take over games.

It's no surprise he hurt his ankle bailing us out on game #7 on the road against CP3/Chandler/DWest, and our season was done (despite Pop's mental fart with resting Bowen in the 1st game vs LA)...

[SASdynasty!]

where is tony and where is manu?

2003 NBA Finals:

Tony Parker: 14.0/4.2 on 39%
Manu Ginobili: 8.7/2.0 on 35%

And Parker was 20 years old.

[SASdynasty!]

No one brings up that 2007-2008 season... but Manu Ginóbili was a legit MVP candidate despite not being a starter at all, one of only a couple of players all-time to lead their teams in scoring from the bench... (#7 in PER at his career best 24.3 / #4 in VORP at his career best 5.9 behind LeBron, CP3, and Kobe / #3 in plus-minus at 8.1 behind LeBron and CP3). The 46 points he dropped on Lebron at Cleveland that season (on 15/20 shots) is still one of the most efficient games ever by anyone. Freaking Stern and his cronies fixing that season via a Joey Crawford no-call... the league so desparately wanted a Lakers/Celtics finals that year and got their wish... The whole plane on the tarmac debacle prior to Game 1 vs. L.A. and the Game 5 officiating were vomit-inducing... but yeah that game epitomized Ginobili's abilty to take over games.

I'll bring up the 2007-08 season:

R1 vs Phoenix:

Tony Parker: 30/7 on 52%
Manu Ginobili: 18/4 on 45%

R2 vs New Orleans:

Tony Parker: 19.4/5.7 on 49%
Manu Ginobili: 21.3/6.0 on 44%

R3 vs Los Angeles:

Tony Parker: 19.4/5.6 on 48%
Manu Ginobili: 12.6/3.0 on 36%

[Phenomanul]

I'll bring up the 2007-08 season:

R1 vs Phoenix:

Tony Parker: 30/7 on 52%
Manu Ginobili: 18/4 on 45%

R2 vs New Orleans:

Tony Parker: 19.4/5.7 on 49%
Manu Ginobili: 21.3/6.0 on 44%

R3 vs Los Angeles:

Tony Parker: 19.4/5.6 on 48%
Manu Ginobili: 12.6/3.0 on 36%

Enough with your shtick already... If anything it shows that Ginobili pushing himself to oust the Hornets, causing that ankle injury that he later aggravated (and broke) during the Beijing Olympics that summer, meant that the Spurs became more reliant on Parker and Duncan... a healthy Ginobili and we get past the Lakers that year to face the Celtics.

I really don't understand player fans... why must you knock down one player to propel 'your' player...? geesh... so childish.

[gambit1990]

anyone ever thinking parker > ginobili

[Solid D]

[gambit1990]

forgot about that

[Phenomanul]

Tbh he should've been brought over in 2000 or 2001... Spurs waited too long...

[Solid D]

Tbh he should've been brought over in 2000 or 2001... Spurs waited too long...

Maybe so. He might have performed better all-around than did Jaren Jackson in 2000-01 and Charles Spider Smith in 2001-02.

[From Downtown]

Tbh he should've been brought over in 2000 or 2001... Spurs waited too long...

Nah, Spurs did the right thing, he really developed in a complete player in those two year in Bologna, and learned how to win and how to deal with the pressure of playing for a compe ive team
Had he come over in 2000 he probably wouldn't have been ready to perform right away like he did in 02

[SAGirl]

[dabom]

The biggest Manu/Tony/Pop/Duncan hater in here.

[Phenomanul]

Nah, Spurs did the right thing, he really developed in a complete player in those two year in Bologna, and learned how to win and how to deal with the pressure of playing for a compe ive team
Had he come over in 2000 he probably wouldn't have been ready to perform right away like he did in 02

He gained that experience after the 2001 Euroleague season... At the very least Spurs waited 1 year too many.

[gambit1990]

2016 nba playoffs	PER	TS%	TOV%	WS/48	OBPM	DBPM	BPM	VORP
manu	16.0	.586	10.9	.191	4.2	1.2	5.4	0.4
tony	14.3	.499	14.7	.079	0.7	-1.5	-0.9	0.1

not surprised.

[gambit1990]

	career WS/48 for the playoffs
duncan	.194
kawhi	.191
ginobili	.169
mills	.152 (.159 when playing for the spurs)
parker	.084

you know how timmy didn't look like timmy in the 2016 postseason? even he had a better WS/48 than parker. he was 40.

manu's was twice as high as parker's these last playoffs. literally, per usual as shown in the table provided.

[dabom]

	career WS/48 for the playoffs
duncan	.194
kawhi	.191
ginobili	.169
mills	.152 (.159 when playing for the spurs)
parker	.084

you know how timmy didn't look like timmy in the 2016 postseason? even he had a better WS/48 than parker. he was 40.

manu's was twice as high as parker's these last playoffs. literally, per usual as shown in the table provided.

I mean Mills is a playoff beast. And yet we have these ing s thinking he should shoot less.

They rather fathead or dworst or fatdiaw take the shot.

[SASdynasty!]

	career WS/48 for the playoffs
duncan	.194
kawhi	.191
ginobili	.169
mills	.152 (.159 when playing for the spurs)
parker	.084

you know how timmy didn't look like timmy in the 2016 postseason? even he had a better WS/48 than parker. he was 40.

manu's was twice as high as parker's these last playoffs. literally, per usual as shown in the table provided.

You guys forgot someone that makes all these guys look like scrubs:

Boban: .336

Advanced stats, lol.

[Clipper Nation]

Boban >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LVPorker

[Snaq O'Meal]

You guys forgot someone that makes all these guys look like scrubs:

Boban: .336

Advanced stats, lol.

Advanced stats are really meant for those with advanced understanding of basketball and statistics.

[SASdynasty!]

Advanced stats are really meant for those with advanced understanding of basketball and statistics.

Exactly. Not for people who try to compare bench players going against second units like Ginobili to starters. Or even worse, bench role players like Mills who play restricted minutes.

[SASdynasty!]

Boban >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LVPorker

This particular advanced stat gem proves that Boban is exactly 4 times as valuable as Parker in the playoffs. Seems legit.

[Clipper Nation]

This particular advanced stat gem proves that Boban is exactly 4 times as valuable as Parker in the playoffs. Seems legit.

Actually, you're right. That stat is bull .

Boban is at least 10 times as valuable as Porker.