*Week One Official Thread sponsored by Cam vs. Von II*

[spurraider21]

its not even that i think the ravens suck, but i'm just done giving them the free "they're solid, probably playoffs" benefit of the doubt that they'd gotten for seemingly far too long, including early last season

[DeadlyDynasty]

be specific. don't be like hillary

I do not recall.

1. There will be only 1 double-digit-W team in the NFCS--although TB has an outside shot.
2. The NFC East is full of injuries and unfulfilled promises. No way on god's green earth do 2 of those 3 teams reach 10+ wins...maybe none do.
3. The Vikings are likely going to suck, and both DET and CHI are more like 6-7 win teams imo
4. The Cardinals are a lock for the playoffs if Palmer stays healthy.
5. Patriots will win between 10-12 games (still win the East)
6. Dolphins will be between 8 and 10 wins.
7. You have the AFCN all jacked up after Pittsburgh. The Ravens won't be that good, and neither the Bengals nor Browns will be that bad.
8. Colts' schedule is too easy to go 8-8, and how do you have JAX being so awful?
9. In the AFCW I think Oakland is a 9-10 win team

[Darth_Pelican]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ract-extension

Ridiculous. 'Aints just can't help ing up their cap.

This deal did free up a significant amount of cap space. Don't blame Brees; blame the terrible GM signings and dead money of players like Gillette, Browner, Byrd, & K. Lewis.

[DPG21920]

Objectively, I like Cinci. But we'll see. They've been riding this bubble for too long.

As far as SSSr goes, it's up in the air. Apparently, his calf looked awful less than a month ago. I am fine with him being worked in slowly. Just has to peak in the playoffs. Flacco can use this time to get used to his other receivers. He should look better now that he has three burners and Pitta back. And Dixon is probably the closet thing the Ravens have had to Prime Ray Rice in a while.

So you think Dixon is a factor this year? Isn't he missing 4 games and they have Forsett and others.

[DPG21920]

That Cowboys record with a rookie QB isn't rooted in anything sound. Could it happen? Sure - they are mega talented on offense but there is nothing to point that at this moment.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I do not recall.

1. There will be only 1 double-digit-W team in the NFCS--although TB has an outside shot.
2. The NFC East is full of injuries and unfulfilled promises. No way on god's green earth do 2 of those 3 teams reach 10+ wins...maybe none do.
3. The Vikings are likely going to suck, and both DET and CHI are more like 6-7 win teams imo
4. The Cardinals are a lock for the playoffs if Palmer stays healthy.
5. Patriots will win between 10-12 games (still win the East)
6. Dolphins will be between 8 and 10 wins.
7. You have the AFCN all jacked up after Pittsburgh. The Ravens won't be that good, and neither the Bengals nor Browns will be that bad.
8. Colts' schedule is too easy to go 8-8, and how do you have JAX being so awful?
9. In the AFCW I think Oakland is a 9-10 win team

1. Atlanta showed real promise last year until the injury bug quashed their season. Dan Quinn is a heck of a coach and I think they surprise a lot of people this year. Not quite good enough for the playoffs, but very good nonetheless. I have Tampa doing well too but just not good enough in a stacked NFC.

2. Yes, but it is also loaded with real talent, most especially on offense. This could be the year the East returns to the mid-late 2000s "BEast" form. Except for the Eagles, they're in transition, they're going to be horrid.

3. To be fair, the predictions were all made a few days before the Bridgewater injury, but Bradford could be just as good (better in the passing game and worse in the running game). That defense is borderline top 5 and still growing. They drafted the best receiver in the draft... question is, is AP still top 3 elite? Detroit and Chicago are horrible and expected to be horrible. Detroit already had no offense and now they lost their best player on offense. Chicago isn't good on either end.

4. If you want me to post the pick'ems, I will -- I have the Cardinals starting out 7–0 (they always have a hot first half or so of the season) and 8–1, but they have an absolutely brutal road-heavy late season schedule and that along with the Cardinals' tendency to always flame out towards the end will have AZ on the outside looking into the playoffs at 11–5 come January in the stacked NFC despite being very talented on both ends.

5. The Patriots may lose one or two more -- I have them losing at Arizona, at Denver, and at Miami (per par). I don't know, it's not a great division, and they nearly always beat the Bills twice. They play the NFC West which has 2 great teams but the Seahawks game as in Foxborough where they don't lose. They could lose in Pittsburgh but I had NE winning that game in one of the more epic matches of the season.

6. The LOLphins? Are you kidding me? Every single offseason everyone praises them... and every single regular season they fail miserably to live up to any expectations. They're not a good franchise and their home fans don't care unless they're playing the Patriots. I think they win 7 games, maximum. Tannehill just isn't that good of a QB. Their secondary isn't anything to write home about, either.

7. The Ravens won't be that good? I don't see them being significantly, if at all, worse than 2014 where they were a couple plays from beating New England and likely making the Super Bowl. Flacco is borderline elite and has the "it" factor in clutch situations. They have weapons offensively and a pretty darn good defense. They could be a dark horse team if the Pats falter for some reason. The Bengals are an overrated choking bunch of pretenders, the QB and OL suck, and the defense relies heavily on its LBs and secondary (still top 10)... also have a brutal schedule. As for the Browns? The ****ing Browns? they're perennially the laughingstock of the league and should continue to be so, on both sides of the ball.

8. The Colts could get a couple more wins depending on some things, but they're just not a very good football team outside of Luck. Their defense isn't good, their offense has less skill players than they did last time they were in the playoffs... I don't think they make it. Jacksonville is too young and raw and are a poorly run organization, and Bortles isn't going to cut it as an NFL QB. They have some weapons offensively but don't know how to win and their defensive talent is WAY too young to win. Give them another couple years.

9. Oakland may be slightly improved, but I don't think they'll be amazing. They're the type who will have a couple surprise wins as well as mind-numbing losses. They have a pretty good pass rush and overall front 7, they have a good WR, but their OL, secondary, QB, running game, other receivers... all leaves a lot to be desired. I think their ceiling is .500 and could bottom out at 5–11. No way they win 10 games with all that rawness given their schedule against the loaded NFC South and other things, though I do have them scoring a surprise home victory over the Panthers.

[spurraider21]

The Raiders OL is the best unit on the team. Its fine if you don't think they'll be a playoff team, but when you compliment some positions yet on their OL it just shows a lack of knowledge

[spurraider21]

This deal did free up a significant amount of cap space. Don't blame Brees; blame the terrible GM signings and dead money of players like Gillette, Browner, Byrd, & K. Lewis.

Extensions aways clear up cap space in the short term but basically kick the can down the road with interest. Same with restructures

[Chinook]

This deal did free up a significant amount of cap space. Don't blame Brees; blame the terrible GM signings and dead money of players like Gillette, Browner, Byrd, & K. Lewis.

I'm not going to blame a player for taking money. But the Saints just have bite the bullet. They don't even have a le window right now. If they had accepted that two years ago, who knows where they could've been by this point?

So you think Dixon is a factor this year? Isn't he missing 4 games and they have Forsett and others.

I think his injury was the only reason why Forsett's release was temporary. He had pretty much been hurt for most of camp, but after he came back, they started giving him the plurality of the carries. The game where he got hurt, he was eating Detroit up. The only way I don't see him being a factor is if Forsett or West turns in a Pro Bowl --caliber season, starting with the first four games.

[DPG21920]

I'm not going to blame a player for taking money. But the Saints just have bite the bullet. They don't even have a le window right now. If they had accepted that two years ago, who knows where they could've been by this point?



I think his injury was the only reason why Forsett's release was temporary. He had pretty much been hurt for most of camp, but after he came back, they started giving him the plurality of the carries. The game where he got hurt, he was eating Detroit up. The only way I don't see him being a factor is if Forsett or West turns in a Pro Bowl --caliber season, starting with the first four games.

Interesting...something to keep any eye on there.

[Clipper Nation]

Panthers at Broncos
Vikings at ans
Browns at Eagles
Raiders at Saints
Chargers at Chiefs
Bears at Texans
Bills at Ravens
Bengals at Jets
Buccaneers at Falcons
Packers at Jaguars
Dolphins at Seahawks
Giants at Cowboys
Lions at Colts
Patriots at Cardinals
Steelers at Redskins
Rams at 49ers

[Chinook]

You're all right, CN.

[spurraider21]

You're all right, CN.

well he masturbates to joe flacco, so there's that

[Chinook]

well he masturbates to joe flacco, so there's that

Ravens nation accepts all kinds.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The Raiders OL is the best unit on the team. Its fine if you don't think they'll be a playoff team, but when you compliment some positions yet on their OL it just shows a lack of knowledge

alright I'll give you that... your OL is far far improved from the days of Jennings & McFadden... you're a 3-4 team, you have a potential star OLB, your DL is eh... secondary is pretty bad if the pass rush doesn't get there.


OL just looks not as good because Carr just isn't that great.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

You're all right, CN.

Vikings aren't losing to the ty ans... Saints probably won't lose at home first game of the season to a mediocre team, and Cowboys aren't losing at home to NYG (road would be the opposite outcome, I think).

[spurraider21]

alright I'll give you that... your OL is far far improved from the days of Jennings & McFadden... you're a 3-4 team, you have a potential star OLB, your DL is eh... secondary is pretty bad if the pass rush doesn't get there.


OL just looks not as good because Carr just isn't that great.

guy who made the all pro team in 2 different positions is a "potential" star

there are plenty of spots to criticize the raiders... running back situation, middle linebacker, safety, thin corner group, and holes on d-line.. but you seem to pick some weird ones like OL and QB which are relative strengths for the team

its annoying enough to have to click "show this post" but then when i do and the content is total , its just a colossal waste of time all around

[Chinook]

guy who made the all pro team in 2 different positions is a "potential" star

there are plenty of spots to criticize the raiders... running back situation, middle linebacker, safety, thin corner group, and holes on d-line.. but you seem to pick some weird ones like OL and QB which are relative strengths for the team

its annoying enough to have to click "show this post" but then when i do and the content is total , its just a colossal waste of time all around

The mods really need to make it so that if you have someone on ignore you don't get notifications from them. Like why the do I want to know they're quoting or mentioning me?

[Raven]

Yes, half their roster isn't on IR this year.

well that works for everyone doesn't it? the secondary looks awful and there is not much burst on the dline imo. A lot of the D is supposed to rely on old players coming from injuries, I don't know man... The Oline is probably going to be good, but that left side is awfully young, the receiver corp is probably going to be a receiver corpse tbh.. mike is , steve smith is done, dennis pitta is a miracle if he even plays at all.. I don't know... The rest of the afc took a massive step back this year, so you may be right, but I just don't see their level grown much for now. Need to see the rookies first, i guess..

[Chinook]

well that works for everyone doesn't it? the secondary looks awful and there is not much burst on the dline imo. A lot of the D is supposed to rely on old players coming from injuries, I don't know man... The Oline is probably going to be good, but that left side is awfully young, the receiver corp is probably going to be a receiver corpse tbh.. mike is , steve smith is done, dennis pitta is a miracle if he even plays at all.. I don't know... The rest of the afc took a massive step back this year, so you may be right, but I just don't see their level grown much for now. Need to see the rookies first, i guess..

The Ravens' D-line is easily their strongest unit. Besides Suggs, everyone on the starting front seven is under 27. Their three returning starters in the secondary played all of last season, though they were recovering from injury then and are healthier now. The new starter is an All-Pro safety. Most of their injured defenders are gone now.

OL is good and will be better after Week One when Ozzie cuts Hurst and adds a vet LT to back up Stanley. The likely starter at guard is a three-year vet who's started games each of the last two seasons, so that's not too young. SSSr is old, not done (or hasn't looked it yet). He's like 2015 Tim as opposed to 2016 Tim. I think he's still good for a reduced role. Aiken showed he can produce as a starter, so I don't worry about possession receiving. Same with TE. Gilmore and Williams are good enough to where no one has to depend on Pitta. And you have three deep options, so it's not just about Wallace. Strong stable of RBs. Best STs in the game. Impact players on PUP, IRDTR and suspended to give mid-season infusions of talent. They'll be fine.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

guy who made the all pro team in 2 different positions is a "potential" star

there are plenty of spots to criticize the raiders... running back situation, middle linebacker, safety, thin corner group, and holes on d-line.. but you seem to pick some weird ones like OL and QB which are relative strengths for the team

its annoying enough to have to click "show this post" but then when i do and the content is total , its just a colossal waste of time all around

I emphasized the secondary, QB and running game first and foremost are going to be the problem. Also we got Mayowa who ate up blockers and did that dirty work which freed up Mack last year.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

well that works for everyone doesn't it? the secondary looks awful and there is not much burst on the dline imo. A lot of the D is supposed to rely on old players coming from injuries, I don't know man... The Oline is probably going to be good, but that left side is awfully young, the receiver corp is probably going to be a receiver corpse tbh.. mike is , steve smith is done, dennis pitta is a miracle if he even plays at all.. I don't know... The rest of the afc took a massive step back this year, so you may be right, but I just don't see their level grown much for now. Need to see the rookies first, i guess..

Pretty much.

I see at least one 9-7 wildcard team and none over 10 wins

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Go Panthers tonight

[Darth_Pelican]

Ok, time for some real ATS picks.

NFL Lines For Week 1 - NFL Football Line Week One
NFL Line 9/8 - 9/12, 2016

Date & Time	Favorite	Line	Underdog	Total
9/8 8:30 ET	Carolina	-3	At Denver	41.5
9/11 1:00 ET	At Atlanta	-3	Tampa Bay	47.5
9/11 1:00 ET	Minnesota	-2.5	At Tennessee	41
9/11 1:00 ET	At Philadelphia	-4	Cleveland	41
9/11 1:00 ET	Cincinnati	-2.5	At NY Jets	41.5
9/11 1:00 ET	At New Orleans	-1	Oakland	51
9/11 1:00 ET	At Kansas City	-6.5	San Diego	44.5
9/11 1:00 ET	At Baltimore	-3	Buffalo	44.5
9/11 1:00 ET	At Houston	-6.5	Chicago	44
9/11 1:00 ET	Green Bay	-5.5	At Jacksonville	48
9/11 4:05 ET	At Seattle	-10.5	Miami	44
9/11 4:25 ET	NY Giants	-1	At Dallas	46
9/11 4:25 ET	At Indianapolis	-3.5	Detroit	51
9/11 8:30 ET	At Arizona	-6	New England	47

Monday Night Football Line

9/12 7:10 ET	Pittsburgh	-3	At Washington	50
9/12 10:20 ET	Los Angeles	-2.5	At San Francisco	43.5

I'm gonna go:

Green Bay -5.5
Pittsburgh -3
San Francisco +2.5
Colts -3.5

[Chinook]

█ Anchorage AK | █ Fairbanks AK
█ Honolulu HI

█	Cincinnati @ NY Jets Jim Nantz, Phil Simms
█	Cleveland @ Philadelphia Greg Gumbel, Trent Green
█	San Diego @ Kansas City Kevin Harlan, Rich Gannon
█	Buffalo @ Baltimore Spero Dedes, Solomon Wilcots
█	Miami @ Seattle (LATE) Ian Eagle, Dan Fouts

CBS




█ Anchorage AK | █ Fairbanks AK
█ Honolulu HI

█	Green Bay @ Jacksonville Kevin Burkhardt, John Lynch
█	Chicago @ Houston Thom Brennaman, Charles Davis
█	Oakland @ New Orleans Chris Myers, Ronde Barber
█	Tampa Bay @ Atlanta Sam Rosen, David Diehl
█	Minnesota @ Tennessee Stockton, Chris Spielman
█	NO GAME due to local team at home on C

Fox Early


█ Anchorage AK | █ Fairbanks AK
█ Honolulu HI

█	NY Giants @ Dallas Joe Buck, Troy Aikman
█	Detroit @ Indianapolis Kenny Albert, Daryl Johnston
█	NO GAME due to local team at home on CBS

Fox Late

http://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2016&wk=1


ty draw for CenTex. We have SD/KC as our wildcard game.