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    I don't understand how people can be pro- "Religious freedom" and anti- Muslims.
    It's easy, I'm pro religious freedom and any type of freedom towards those who reciprocate those same sentiments. If not then you're not cut out to participate in our society and those elements need to be contained and removed.

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    yeah but christians by in large have reformed past that. when was the last time you saw a mass attack in the name of christ?


    You're implying Muslims "by in large" haven't reformed past mass attacks.

    But you'll say you're not doing that and round and round you'll go per par etc

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    It's easy, I'm pro religious freedom and any type of freedom towards those who reciprocate those same sentiments. If not then you're not cut out to participate in our society and those elements need to be contained and removed.
    So you're pro religious freedom unless the religion is Islam.

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    Terror attacks being foiled 'every single day' in France, prime minister says



    A radicalized French teenager had been planning to carry out a knife attack at a popular weekend spot for families and tourists, investigators said.The 15-year-old, already on a high-security threat list, was arrested on Saturday, one week after French police prevented an attack in central Paris by a group of female Islamic State followers who tried to blow up a car filled with gas bottles.



    French Prime Minister Manuel Valls warned on Sunday that the terrorist threat was at its “maximum” level and said France’s security forces were “foiling attacks every single day.”

    The unnamed youth was arrested at his home near the Coulée Verte, a “green corridor” walkway in Paris similar to New York’s High Line, where detectives allege he was planning to stab random passers-by last weekend.


    Detectives told French media the youth admitted he wanted to be killed by the police and “die a martyr.” However, one officer told L’Express magazine that his evidence was “confused” and he was later said to have withdrawn his statements.
    The teenager had already been under house arrest at his family home in the 12th arrondissement of the French capital for the last five months, as part of the state of emergency introduced in France following the November 2015 attacks. He was detained in April 2016 and questioned about alleged plans to travel to join Islamic State in Syria.


    Police reported that he had been in contact with Rachid Kassim, a French jihadi who is fighting with Islamic State in Syria. Kassim has also been linked to the killer of two police officers in a Paris suburb in June and two men who cut the throat of a Catholic priest in Normandy in July. In both cases, the terrorists were killed by police.


    Investigators are attempting to unravel the network around Kassim, whose members communicated using the heavily encrypted message system Telegram. They believe Kassim, who uses the pseudonym Ibn Qassim, has been directing the recent terror attack attempts in France from his Islamic State hideout in Syria.


    “The women, our sisters, went into action. Where are our brothers?” Kassim posted on Telegram after the women were arrested last week, according to French media. “Where are the men?…You have to understand that if these women went into action, it’s because so few men are doing anything … why are you waiting so long to the point the woman are overtaking you in terms of honor?”

    Five French women between 16 and 39 are in police custody being questioned about the latest terrorist plots. One, Ornella Gilligmann, 29, a mother of three young children, has been charged over the failed attack near Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Sept. 3. Gilligmann was also known to French intelligence services after allegedly trying to travel to Syria.


    Gilligmann was arrested after her fingerprints were found in an abandoned Peugeot 607 car containing five gas cylinders, three bottles of diesel and a lighted cigarette 300 feet from the busy cathedral courtyard. The car’s license plates had been removed and it was parked with its emergency lights flashing. Two women fled the scene after failing to set the car alight.


    On Thursday last week, police arrested three more women: Ines Madani, whose father owned the Peugeot, and two others named only as Sarah H, age 23, and Amel S, age 39. The 16-year-old daughter of Amel S was arrested later.
    French public prosecutor Francois Molins said in a televised news conference last week that the women were “determined.” He said Sarah H had been engaged to Larossi Abballa, 25, who killed a police commander and his partner, also a police officer, in front of their infant son in June. After Abballa was killed in that attack, she became engaged to Adel Kermiche, 19 — before he was also shot dead while participating in the killing of a priest in Normandy a month later.


    The three women were confronted by police as they left a flat in the suburbs of Paris, allegedly on their way to carry out another attack at the Gare de Lyon station. During the arrest, one of the women stabbed a police officer with a kitchen knife. Madani allegedly jumped on another and tried to stab him. In Madani’s handbag, detectives say they found the keys to the Peugeot 607 and a note pledging allegiance to Islamic State.


    On Sunday, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said the threat of a terrorist attack remained “maximum.”
    “We have seen this the last few days, the last few hours, and even as I speak,” Valls said in a televised interview.


    “Every day, the intelligence services, the police, gendarmes, are foiling attacks, unraveling Iraqi-Syrian networks. The threat today is maximum and we are a target, everyone understands that.”
    Valls said 700 French jihadis were believed to be fighting with Islamic State in Syria, among them more than 200 women. French intelligence services were watching 15,000 people suspected of being radicalized.


    http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/...nap-story.html

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    nowhere near the numbers though
    Would you like to see the numbers?

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    nowhere near the numbers though
    The number of Islamic terrorists is an issue for you until you say it's not.

    Pick a lane

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    Terror attacks being foiled 'every single day' in France, prime minister says



    A radicalized French teenager had been planning to carry out a knife attack at a popular weekend spot for families and tourists, investigators said.The 15-year-old, already on a high-security threat list, was arrested on Saturday, one week after French police prevented an attack in central Paris by a group of female Islamic State followers who tried to blow up a car filled with gas bottles.



    French Prime Minister Manuel Valls warned on Sunday that the terrorist threat was at its “maximum” level and said France’s security forces were “foiling attacks every single day.”

    The unnamed youth was arrested at his home near the Coulée Verte, a “green corridor” walkway in Paris similar to New York’s High Line, where detectives allege he was planning to stab random passers-by last weekend.


    Detectives told French media the youth admitted he wanted to be killed by the police and “die a martyr.” However, one officer told L’Express magazine that his evidence was “confused” and he was later said to have withdrawn his statements.
    The teenager had already been under house arrest at his family home in the 12th arrondissement of the French capital for the last five months, as part of the state of emergency introduced in France following the November 2015 attacks. He was detained in April 2016 and questioned about alleged plans to travel to join Islamic State in Syria.


    Police reported that he had been in contact with Rachid Kassim, a French jihadi who is fighting with Islamic State in Syria. Kassim has also been linked to the killer of two police officers in a Paris suburb in June and two men who cut the throat of a Catholic priest in Normandy in July. In both cases, the terrorists were killed by police.


    Investigators are attempting to unravel the network around Kassim, whose members communicated using the heavily encrypted message system Telegram. They believe Kassim, who uses the pseudonym Ibn Qassim, has been directing the recent terror attack attempts in France from his Islamic State hideout in Syria.


    “The women, our sisters, went into action. Where are our brothers?” Kassim posted on Telegram after the women were arrested last week, according to French media. “Where are the men?…You have to understand that if these women went into action, it’s because so few men are doing anything … why are you waiting so long to the point the woman are overtaking you in terms of honor?”

    Five French women between 16 and 39 are in police custody being questioned about the latest terrorist plots. One, Ornella Gilligmann, 29, a mother of three young children, has been charged over the failed attack near Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Sept. 3. Gilligmann was also known to French intelligence services after allegedly trying to travel to Syria.


    Gilligmann was arrested after her fingerprints were found in an abandoned Peugeot 607 car containing five gas cylinders, three bottles of diesel and a lighted cigarette 300 feet from the busy cathedral courtyard. The car’s license plates had been removed and it was parked with its emergency lights flashing. Two women fled the scene after failing to set the car alight.


    On Thursday last week, police arrested three more women: Ines Madani, whose father owned the Peugeot, and two others named only as Sarah H, age 23, and Amel S, age 39. The 16-year-old daughter of Amel S was arrested later.
    French public prosecutor Francois Molins said in a televised news conference last week that the women were “determined.” He said Sarah H had been engaged to Larossi Abballa, 25, who killed a police commander and his partner, also a police officer, in front of their infant son in June. After Abballa was killed in that attack, she became engaged to Adel Kermiche, 19 — before he was also shot dead while participating in the killing of a priest in Normandy a month later.


    The three women were confronted by police as they left a flat in the suburbs of Paris, allegedly on their way to carry out another attack at the Gare de Lyon station. During the arrest, one of the women stabbed a police officer with a kitchen knife. Madani allegedly jumped on another and tried to stab him. In Madani’s handbag, detectives say they found the keys to the Peugeot 607 and a note pledging allegiance to Islamic State.


    On Sunday, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls said the threat of a terrorist attack remained “maximum.”
    “We have seen this the last few days, the last few hours, and even as I speak,” Valls said in a televised interview.


    “Every day, the intelligence services, the police, gendarmes, are foiling attacks, unraveling Iraqi-Syrian networks. The threat today is maximum and we are a target, everyone understands that.”
    Valls said 700 French jihadis were believed to be fighting with Islamic State in Syria, among them more than 200 women. French intelligence services were watching 15,000 people suspected of being radicalized.


    http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/...nap-story.html
    Should France make Islam illegal?

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    So you're pro religious freedom unless the religion is Islam.
    So far they are the only totalitarian religion that I know of so yeah

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    Should France make Islam illegal?
    No.

    Let me save you some typing

    So you what do you want to do about Islam?

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    Would you like to see the numbers?
    I would like to see the numbers of murders/attacks being committed in the name of religion by non-Muslims

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    You're implying Muslims "by in large" haven't reformed past mass attacks.

    But you'll say you're not doing that and round and round you'll go per par etc
    MuslimS are not a religion. They are prac ioners of islam, a religion, which I think is inherently fine and has a place in the world.

    I've been consistent time and time again and you've misconstrued it time and time again

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    It's easy, I'm pro religious freedom and any type of freedom towards those who reciprocate those same sentiments. If not then you're not cut out to participate in our society and those elements need to be contained and removed.
    So if someone believes the tenets of their religion should be imposed on everyone, you believe they should be removed.

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    Would you like to see the numbers?
    I would love to. I would also warn that regarding this topic, there should be a differentiation between crimes carried out in the name of a religion/diety and crimes that have been committed for various reasons by somebody who happens to belong to that religion.
    The number of Islamic terrorists is an issue for you until you say it's not.

    Pick a lane
    Did I ever say it wasn't?

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    I would like to see the numbers of murders/attacks being committed in the name of religion by non-Muslims
    Easy answer , 0, because they are portraying themselves as muslims, when everything they do is against their religious law. You understand that terrorism goes back further than 50 years right?

    I would love to. I would also warn that regarding this topic, there should be a differentiation between crimes carried out in the name of a religion/diety and crimes that have been committed for various reasons by somebody who happens to belong to that religion.

    Did I ever say it wasn't?
    Then exactly what I said above, to sanity, the answer is 0. Because you are born into islam that doesnt make you a good muslim, and proper muslims dont do what terrorists are doing. So blaming the entire religion of 1.7 billion is ridiculous. They middle east has been occupied by europe and the west since the invasion of the ottoman empire.Arabs were in the middle east before white people.

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    Easy answer , 0, because they are portraying themselves as muslims, when everything they do is against their religious law. You understand that terrorism goes back further than 50 years right?



    Then exactly what I said above, to sanity, the answer is 0. Because you are born into islam that doesnt make you a good muslim, and proper muslims dont do what terrorists are doing. So blaming the entire religion of 1.7 billion is ridiculous. They middle east has been occupied by europe and the west since the invasion of the ottoman empire.Arabs were in the middle east before white people.
    Here was what I wanted to see.

    in 2016 , today there are other peoples commiting crimes, and violence in the name of religion that are not muslim.
    Show me the numbers

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    No.

    Let me save you some typing
    You could have spent that typing on an answer

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    MuslimS are not a religion.
    Lolwut. You're too far all over the place and this semantic tangent is just re ed.

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    I would love to. I would also warn that regarding this topic, there should be a differentiation between crimes carried out in the name of a religion/diety and crimes that have been committed for various reasons by somebody who happens to belong to that religion.

    Did I ever say it wasn't?

    Saying Islam is fine but we need separate Islam terrorists from others is talking out of both sides of your mouth.

    But keep saying it's not and go round some more tho.

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    Saying Islam is fine but we need separate Islam terrorists from others is talking out of both sides of your mouth.

    But keep saying it's not and go round some more tho.
    islam is fine. carrying out terrorist acts in the name of islam is not fine. unfortunately, we see this frequently in modern times

    christianity is fine. carrying out terrorist acts in the name of christianity is not fine. fortunately, we don't see this frequently in modern times

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    Lolwut. You're too far all over the place and this semantic tangent is just re ed.
    its not semantics to separate the religion from the prac ioners of the religion

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    Easy answer , 0, because they are portraying themselves as muslims, when everything they do is against their religious law. You understand that terrorism goes back further than 50 years right?



    Then exactly what I said above, to sanity, the answer is 0. Because you are born into islam that doesnt make you a good muslim, and proper muslims dont do what terrorists are doing. So blaming the entire religion of 1.7 billion is ridiculous. They middle east has been occupied by europe and the west since the invasion of the ottoman empire.Arabs were in the middle east before white people.
    i never blamed the religion of 1.7 billion. i never said muslims are bad. i never said every crime committed by a person of muslim faith is "muslim terorrism." there's a difference between a muslim person committing a crime vs a muslim person committing a crime in the name of his religion

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    its not semantics to separate the religion from the prac ioners of the religion
    That doesn't make any sense to do that. It serves no productive purpose.

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    i never blamed the religion of 1.7 billion. i never said muslims are bad. i never said every crime committed by a person of muslim faith is "muslim terorrism." there's a difference between a muslim person committing a crime vs a muslim person committing a crime in the name of his religion
    But they are not muslim my dude, thats my point, they are just head terrorists being paid by someone. They do not represent Islam by any means, therefore you cant say muslims are committing crimes in the name of islam. It would be nice to hear someone say, terrorists are using islam in a negative view, and making muslims look bad. I have no problem with any religion, I have read into all the major ones, none condone violence, or death of innocence. Its the people that make it bad. Every religion has people that has made them the rest look bad.

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    But they are not muslim my dude, thats my point, they are just head terrorists being paid by someone. They do not represent Islam by any means, therefore you cant say muslims are committing crimes in the name of islam. It would be nice to hear someone say, terrorists are using islam in a negative view, and making muslims look bad. I have no problem with any religion, I have read into all the major ones, none condone violence, or death of innocence. Its the people that make it bad. Every religion has people that has made them the rest look bad.
    they are head muslims, as opposed to the much more common, peaceful muslims

    how can you actually claim to know their beliefs in contrast to what they claim? thats ridiculous

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    they are head muslims, as opposed to the much more common, peaceful muslims

    how can you actually claim to know their beliefs in contrast to what they claim? thats ridiculous
    Because if violence is what they are preaching , it's not Islam , I'm not saying I personally know them bro ; I'm just saying what they are justifying as jihad might as well be another religion. Idk if they are brainwashed or motivated by loved ones being killed , regardless it's not correct l.

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