Good article detailing Danny's shooting woes but predicting bounce back this season.

[timtonymanu]

Green was one of the bright spots of Game 5. I thought he was fine in the playoffs. It was other players that let this team down.

[Chinook]

The cool thing about Mills is that the Spurs will actually run the other hammer play with him. As far as I know, he's the only Spur that gets that pass. Would be nice if Danny added that to his game.


Too bad there aren't any vids isolating it. I've only seen it in live action.

All right bklynspursfan , this is the closest thing I've seen to that hammer play


It's at the 25-second mark. Here's the link for the right time: https://youtu.be/MpeIur9bv9o?t=25

So you see Green passes to Parker coming off a pin-down the fades to the opposite wing to get the back screen for the shot. As the diagram showed, for it to be the actual play, Parker would have to run to the top of the key and get the pass while Danny shallow-cuts in front of him toward the hammer.

Incidentally, back when it was popular for Parker to run the Loop, people often questioned why Danny was the passer rather than Leonard or Manu. They argued that Green's lack of dribbling made it easy to blow the play up by pressuring him. This video would go a long way to explaining that. That set got him a ton of open shots. It's probably something that people aren't considering when they're talking about how Green's game suffered from the shift in offensive focus. This set is all but removed with LMA on board and Kawhi taking charge.

[Chinook]

Actually to extend on this point, The Loop was essentially the Parker play for the end of his prime. It's a perfect example of calling plays for someone but not necessarily designing the plays for that someone to get the shots. The Spurs leveraged Parker's speed and gravity to get open threes and dunks for the other four guys on the floor.

Here's another compilation of Loop plays:



Until the Spurs can find a way to build sets around Kawhi's strengths, he'll never have the offensive impact that Prime Parker did. Make fun of him all you want, but this is just what the Spurs did when they were at their most-recent zenith. For all the talk of Tony not passing, him being on the floor really helped with that "beautiful" game period every seems nostalgic over nowadays.

[mookie2001]

I hope he bounces back from catching passes while standing out of bounds.

[cutewizard]

If Spurs can get either Patty or Green to come back to their 2014 form next season....it will go a long ways.

If both can get back on track...look out Warriors. And I don't say that lightly.

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Plus Bertans!

[bklynspursfan]

Actually to extend on this point, The Loop was essentially the Parker play for the end of his prime. It's a perfect example of calling plays for someone but not necessarily designing the plays for that someone to get the shots. The Spurs leveraged Parker's speed and gravity to get open threes and dunks for the other four guys on the floor.

Here's another compilation of Loop plays:



Until the Spurs can find a way to build sets around Kawhi's strengths, he'll never have the offensive impact that Prime Parker did. Make fun of him all you want, but this is just what the Spurs did when they were at their most-recent zenith. For all the talk of Tony not passing, him being on the floor really helped with that "beautiful" game period every seems nostalgic over nowadays.

Thanks for sharing this & the zipper vid. Cool to watch. I feel like there was one for the hammer play too but maybe it was a broadcasting team showing it that I'm thinking of, idk...I see what you mean w/TP but not coming all the way to the top of the key, probably because it's not his strength and he does much better with the elbow jumpers. Mills has such a quick release and moves so much without the ball, maybe they can continue to run similar stuff for he and maybe Green. Should be interesting to see

And yea, TP absolutely was an integral part to the beautiful game. There's just a lot of ignorance and immaturity living on this forum.

[maverick1948]

Good article but writer forgot to look at Danny's season finish. Up to the All star break in Jan and Feb, Danny was hitting 41.8 % from 3 point land. Post all star, he dropped to 27.7 % to finish the season. I went back and looked at a few games in Mar and Apr. I did notice that he was hitting the rim but not the bottom of the net. Then after the season he had Lasix eye surgery. That plus watching his shooting at the end of the season, I think he will return to form this season.

[G-Dawgg]

Someone didn't watch last season at all...

Ok dude you're right. Danny Green had a career best shooting season then. FOH.....

[tonight...you]

Actually to extend on this point, The Loop was essentially the Parker play for the end of his prime. It's a perfect example of calling plays for someone but not necessarily designing the plays for that someone to get the shots. The Spurs leveraged Parker's speed and gravity to get open threes and dunks for the other four guys on the floor.

Here's another compilation of Loop plays:



Until the Spurs can find a way to build sets around Kawhi's strengths, he'll never have the offensive impact that Prime Parker did. Make fun of him all you want, but this is just what the Spurs did when they were at their most-recent zenith. For all the talk of Tony not passing, him being on the floor really helped with that "beautiful" game period every seems nostalgic over nowadays.

Great stuff brother. Thank you!

[Chinook]

Ok dude you're right. Danny Green had a career best shooting season then. FOH.....

[SAGirl]

All right bklynspursfan , this is the closest thing I've seen to that hammer play


It's at the 25-second mark. Here's the link for the right time: https://youtu.be/MpeIur9bv9o?t=25

So you see Green passes to Parker coming off a pin-down the fades to the opposite wing to get the back screen for the shot. As the diagram showed, for it to be the actual play, Parker would have to run to the top of the key and get the pass while Danny shallow-cuts in front of him toward the hammer.

Incidentally, back when it was popular for Parker to run the Loop, people often questioned why Danny was the passer rather than Leonard or Manu. They argued that Green's lack of dribbling made it easy to blow the play up by pressuring him. This video would go a long way to explaining that. That set got him a ton of open shots. It's probably something that people aren't considering when they're talking about how Green's game suffered from the shift in offensive focus. This set is all but removed with LMA on board and Kawhi taking charge.

I hadn't thought about it but they did remove plays for Danny.

I think only Mills was getting hammer plays called for him last season.

[SAGirl]

Until the Spurs can find a way to build sets around Kawhi's strengths, he'll never have the offensive impact that Prime Parker did. Make fun of him all you want, but this is just what the Spurs did when they were at their most-recent zenith. For all the talk of Tony not passing, him being on the floor really helped with that "beautiful" game period every seems nostalgic over nowadays.

Agreed in every way. It was a tricky change bc Kawhi has to develop as a playmaker and he hasn't hit his zenith in that department. The other offensive guy: LMA is a finisher of plays too, not a creator of plays for others, unless it's a post up. Hopefully they both develop more synergy with others and Kawhi continues to develop as the main offensive player. He's still young enough and hasn't been featured by Pop since he got to the league. It's not like he has 5 years experience being the guy. He really has two and his second season being featured he made a huge leap. The next step is to develop as a playmaker.

I said elsewhere: this is the season for Kawhi to prove he can be the epicenter of the offense. If he can't do it, then Spurs have to look at a star PG to pair up with him somewhere and he will have to defer to this PG and take up a role as finisher of plays, etc. But I am hoping Kawhi can take yet another step.

[dabom]

Agreed in every way. It was a tricky change bc Kawhi has to develop as a playmaker and he hasn't hit his zenith in that department. The other offensive guy: LMA is a finisher of plays too, not a creator of plays for others, unless it's a post up. Hopefully they both develop more synergy with others and Kawhi continues to develop as the main offensive player. He's still young enough and hasn't been featured by Pop since he got to the league. It's not like he has 5 years experience being the guy. He really has two and his second season being featured he made a huge leap. The next step is to develop as a playmaker.

I said elsewhere: this is the season for Kawhi to prove he can be the epicenter of the offense. If he can't do it, then Spurs have to look at a star PG to pair up with him somewhere and he will have to defer to this PG and take up a role as finisher of plays, etc. But I am hoping Kawhi can take yet another step.

He already is. WTF?

[YGWHI]

Agreed in every way. It was a tricky change bc Kawhi has to develop as a playmaker and he hasn't hit his zenith in that department.

I'm not sure if a player has to develop as a playmaker to become the epicenter of the offense or a ball-dominant player. We should remember that Kobe averaged 4.7 asts in his career...

I'm not saying that Kawhi is the type of player that Kobe was, because he was a unique offensive talent but our guy averaged 3.7 asts in OKC series, was driving more than ever before, and finished with 28 on PER.
Those numbers look like the stats of a centerpiece.

[YGWHI]

Inb4 all guys saying "but but Kobe was a loser"

[tonight...you]

For real. Why not just just say "Yeah, I'm just looking at stats and have no desire for context of their full game," right?

Way to go G-Dawgg showing some ass here bud. No... let me skip ahead for you:
Show me some shooting stats from him that year. That's what counts, right? Shooting stats! Over the course of a year!

Funny that you are a, kind of, recent fan to the Spurs Chinook, but you are one of the better posters of basketball content here.
Props.

[dabom]

For real. Why not just just say "Yeah, I'm just looking at stats and have no desire for context of their full game," right?

Way to go G-Dawgg showing some ass here bud. No... let me skip ahead for you:
Show me some shooting stats from him that year. That's what counts, right? Shooting stats! Over the course of a year!

Funny that you are a, kind of, recent fan to the Spurs Chinook, but you are one of the better posters of basketball content here.
Props.

Chinook is one of the least knowledgeable people on here tbh. You should read some of the stupid he says around here.

[dabom]

And G got is a nobody. Never heard of that guy.

[tonight...you]

Chinook is one of the least knowledgeable people on here tbh. You should read some of the stupid he says around here.

Right, or wrong, he still talks more basketball strategic content than most here. Including you, bud.
Which is interesting to read, honestly. Or we can all just read personal attacks upon each other instead... Here on a Spurs message board.

[dabom]

Right, or wrong, he still talks more basketball strategic content than most here. Including you, bud.
Which is interesting to read, honestly. Or we can all just read personal attacks upon each other instead... Here on a Spurs message board.

Right or wrong? So no one cares anymore as long as you blab about ? Chinook never used to have any takes until I called him out on it, and he has embarrassed himself on numerous occasions after that.

[tonight...you]

Right or wrong? So no one cares anymore as long as you blab about ? Chinook never used to have any takes until I called him out on it, and he has embarrassed himself on numerous occasions after that.

"blab about "- that's what I dislike. You would rather talk about personal attacks? Do you deny that you don't engage in that in many of your posts? I mean, that's what you're engaging in here, right now... This is a basketball site and I like basketball talk: right, or wrong. Something about the sport I love that I can ponder, maybe debate, or flat out deny and refute.

Are you saying that you'd rather talk about people you dislike, rather than basketball on a basketball message board?

[dabom]

"blab about "- that's what I dislike. You would rather talk about personal attacks? Do you deny that you don't engage in that in many of your posts? I mean, that's what you're engaging in here, right now... This is a basketball site and I like basketball talk: right, or wrong. Something about the sport I love that I can ponder, maybe debate, or flat out deny and refute.

Are you saying that you'd rather talk about people you dislike, rather than basketball on a basketball message board?

It's not even preseason. What do you want to talk about that has been discussed to ad nauseum?

[tonight...you]

It's not even preseason. What do you want to talk about that has been discussed to ad nauseum?

Good point. Lol. The court is yours.

[SAGirl]

I'm not sure if a player has to develop as a playmaker to become the epicenter of the offense or a ball-dominant player. We should remember that Kobe averaged 4.7 asts in his career...

I'm not saying that Kawhi is the type of player that Kobe was, because he was a unique offensive talent but our guy averaged 3.7 asts in OKC series, was driving more than ever before, and finished with 28 on PER.
Those numbers look like the stats of a centerpiece.

It will be tough to win with this particular team if he doesn't develop as a playmaker IMO.

[gambit1990]

Right or wrong? So no one cares anymore as long as you blab about ? Chinook never used to have any takes until I called him out on it, and he has embarrassed himself on numerous occasions after that.