So sad. Why don't they (as that lady says) get out? Instead of spending money on guns or drugs, use that to get out. If I were one of those young men (and survived to age 18), I'd go join the Army, Navy, etc - anything to get out. That neighborhood doesn't look safe enough to walk to school. I'll tie it back to the homeschool post - if a voucher could be used to buy a computer, it's probably safer to homeschool, stay home and get a hs degree online. I wonder if they'd break in for the computer.
Then blacks wonder why the police treat them like they do, sheesh~~~~~~~~~
Dump all that music, is a start. Black men actually staying home and raising their kids would help.
What ever happened to...curfew?
Dump like this.
Truth is, they can get out.
You have to look at it from a psychological POV to understand it. I believe your whole paragraph here shows quite a bit about you.
You must have had it easy growing up. I mean that with all due respect. Like, relatively speaking you had to have had it easy. And when it did get hard, you had people that had your back.
I'm not going to get too into it, because frankly it'd take an essay. But in summary I will say this: The psychological depths of these kids/young adults is such that this is all they think they can be. Think of what they're doing as passive suicide instead of murder. They feel absolutely worthless. Look passed to bravado/thuggery and that's what's at their core.
I grew up around these types of people. In some type of way they've been robbed of their childhood innocence. Once that gets taken away your done for, unless you're miraculously fortunate in some type of way. Once your childhood is lost, you wilt & die. In this case by savagery. For some people it's to drugs. To others it's to suicide.
What's the solution?
Nothing. It's like the guy at the beginning said, a lot of guys have to die for it to get better. Basically, they're irredeemable, generally speaking.
This is not a peculiar black thing.
This same basic recipe works worldwide. Take human beings, sorround them with poverty and violence with no hope, and the outcome is . Some turn to drugs, some turn to a violent religion, but the outcome is very much the same. The cultural aspects of the region add a bit of regional flavor, but the outcome is basically the same.
Across the board tax cuts and charter schools should fix the issue.
I grew up poor and raised by a single mother on the west side of SA, but I didn't have delusions of being a rapper or a pro athlete. Some of my childhood friends ended up junkies or in prison, but that's what happens when you make poor choices.
Your right. I forgot to throw in a dash of personal responsibility with the charter schools and tax cuts.
That's a recipe for success!
A person also has the choice to consider themselves victims of a rigged system and give up. Works wonders, tbh.
Well, if the fathers are absent, (short of getting out) it's up to the mothers to protect/shield the kids from bad influences - join the nearest church (even if you aren't a believer) - get the kids involved in church activities, stress the value of education and have high expectations (hard work and best effort). Ben Carson grew up in Detroit and his mother couldn't read but she had high expectations and he got out - I know that was an unusual example but better than just lying back and having this hopeless acceptance.
Maybe other famous black people (President, basketball players, rappers, etc) on a rotation could go into these communities and give motivational speeches on education and how it's possible to get out/make a success of life, etc. And yes, if vouchers were available for computers, a HS degree can be totally gotten online - not going to drug and gang infested schools. Any extra money these inner cities get should go toward computers for young kids - the internet would open up a whole new world to them and better to be on the computer (even playing games but better reading) than on the streets.
Part of the problem of receiving help is the safety issue. When I first joined the adult literacy program at the library, they sent me into this really rough neighborhood. I told them I would continue in the program but only from my local branch (the person has to drive to me). There are people willing to help but not at the expense of their own safety and Th'Pusher - I already know your opinion on my fear level.
You grow up black in Chicago and it's not even close to the same. And some of those kids in Chicago WILL make it out. But the probability is very low compared to a middle class white boy. It's not an all or nothing, it just makes it relatively tougher to live a decent life.
If conservatives can't see this they are blind.
If charter schools all worked like they theoretically should...
But we have already seen the incredible waste of government money they have already produced. I have already visited a few in Austin that absolutely need to be shut down. And thank God some have. They take good kids and families and waste a year or two of their education. I have also visited a private Christian school in a wealthy area of Boerne that is absolutely excellent. But 10,000 a year. And it's capped. But it is a very unique situation in which a well off area has taken ownership of the school. The parents trust the teachers and fully support them.
This is NOT easy.
I'm not talking about charter schools. iirc, most states (definitely Illinois) have an online, virtual school where one can earn a HS diploma totally online (meaning never leaving your house). It's flexible time-wise (you can work at your pace/hours - not necessarily school hours). This would keep them out of bad schools and maybe off the streets.
Ideally you would like socialization in front of an actual body. But I see your point.
You can get socialization from church activities. I know most of you don't believe/agree with stuff taught at church, but on a whole, there are many caring people there and lots of useful activities/skills learned at church - lots of singing, playing instruments (the head of the praise team is teaching our teens to play guitar), arts & crafts, taking care of the toddlers/children, outreach into the community, etc. And I think providing teens/kids with a safe, nurturing environment is more important than whatever philosophical/religious (or lack of) disagreements one might have with the church - it's much better than the streets.
And to add, if I had a daughter living in those neighborhoods, I would put her on birth control - do not get pregnant.
It's more than just poor choices.
You don't make a choice to become a savage, you are shaped into one by outside forces.
It comes down to being properly socialized. The problem will never get fixed if we have people believing the solution is as simple as making right choices.
Savages are made not born. It's more than growing up in a single-parent household & it's more than poverty. Those are super important factors, but they really just scratch the surface.
+1
Truth is though a lot liberals don't know what the they're talking about either on this.
So how do you fix it?
No doubt.
Well we know government mandated integration through busing did not help the education part. You can't just build a fancy new school and expect it to change a neighborhood and poverty. I think we know a bit about what does not work.
Imo when a culture and it's differences are accepted even embraced and considered equals (even to the point where there are no raised eyebrows due to mixed marriages) it helps a great deal. You can see this on a small scale in San Antonio in some neighborhoods where Hispanics and Caucasian are intertwined.
Unleash the free market!
Too much government regulation!
For sure, the thing is Hispanic-Americans in a lot of places-- , most places--don't suffer from the same sort of generational deficits that Aftican-Americans have. Two reasons why Hispanic-Americans will almost certainly--regardless of what White (or any other race, or culture or nationality), xenophobic, racists think of them is that they can adapt or isolate/distance themselves from the dominant "American" culture & regardless of whichever one they choose still be successful here. Culturally speaking, not having to grow & evolve into what it is today under an oppressive force means a it can do either of those things and still be fine. African-American culture has grown into what it is today from under and within a highly, historically oppressive dominant culture. That history has given & taken from it a certain set of tools & values that are very unique to it. Up until 60 years ago it "grew" in virtual isolation and under devastating oppression.
I don't have the slightest clue how you fix that. It would take something truly revolutionary for it to change. Hopefully it can.
What people need to recognize though is that for the African-Americans that do find a way to make something for themselves now, they probably deserve our respect & admiration more than any other group of Americans.
But what happens instead?
White Racists let em know they are where they are only because of quotas & affirmative action, & Black people call them Uncle Toms.
What a ing joke of a world we live in.
To me, the difference between the hispanics and blacks in making it/being successful is the support from family. Here in Miami, the Cuban Americans are incredibly close family-wise. When we played soccer, every grandparent, uncle, aunt, cousin comes out to watch regular season games, much less playoffs. In the Asians too, family is all-important and expectations are high - even if income is low in the first generation, they stress education and by the 2nd generation, they're pretty much on their way. There still is the feeling that sons are better than daughters (eg. to my father, my children are not on "equal" standing as my brother's son because they cannot carry on his family name). In the black community, the fathers are absent, too much rests on the mothers financially/emotionally/child-rearing-wise, no model for the young males and they get involved with drugs/gangs and the girls get pregnant young.
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