Was he top 3 among the Spurs? Danny Green is ranked ahead of him.
Green and Manu ranked ahead of him?gtfo
Green is coming off a season where he shot down there with the bottom of the league, 37.6FG% and 33.2 3P%, only Kobe might've been worse.
Manu is coming off his worst playoff run since 2013, averaging career lows 6.7ppg & 2.5apg on 42.6FG%
Vanilla magazine tbh
Manu #97 at 39 years old.
So if we're using SI as a source, then I guess we all agree that Parker is ranked higher than Manu all-time?
I think that's been settled tbh. Whoever disagrees is a got
I think Manu´s position on the list reflects how efficient Manu can be at games. He is still a player able to score and assist from anywhere on the court, and while he cannot guard quick guards any longer, he can still defend one or two guys on every team unless they are speed based players.
So while he may not longer be as effective in every position he is still an efficient player. Hence his ranking.
They are better than him. Have been the past 2-3 years tbh..Green and Manu ranked ahead of him?
Green is coming off a season where he shot down there with the bottom of the league, 37.6FG% and 33.2 3P%, only Kobe might've been worse.
Manu is coming off his worst playoff run since 2013, averaging career lows 6.7ppg & 2.5apg on 42.6FG%
Vanilla magazine tbh
Tony can't create for himself or others anymore without a screen and without a mistake happening from the defense in the PNR.
He's not a threat from 3 because of the lack of volume ( he's very selective & hesitant).
He's one of the worst defensive starting point guards in the league.
If his mid-range game isn't on ( which is the case 3 out of every 4 games), he's a complete negative in all phases.
Meanwhile, despite his down year from 3, Danny Green ranked #1 in DRPM for shooting guards in the league last year ( best defensive SG in the league). And Manu ranked in the top 5, and Manu is still the better passer and the better shooter from three when you consider the volume-- there's value with those assets and Parker doesn't have those assets. With Parker you get the worst defense you can possibly ask for at the starting PG position, no outside shooting threat, no more taking his guy off the dribble. The only value you get with Tony is inconsistent mid-range shooting and inconsistent penetration ( mostly due to poor defense).
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 09-13-2016 at 09:30 AM.
dejense de Porkerias chingados!
Plenty of people has been saying for a few years now he just didn't have the tools to age well...
It's just looking dim that he'll find a way to transform his game, but as long as he's on the team, you gotta hope, tbh...
Pau is in the 40's. That's probably accurate..
The difference between Parker and the other three rotation guards is, unlike them, who are all in ideal roles, he's now miscast in the one he's in, as lead creator for a team with championship aspirations. Even if Leonard assumes that role, he'll still be miscast in more of a spot up capacity.
Ginobili is better and was always going to age better for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam, but he also gets to play about 8 less mpg, mostly against backups, at a lesser position.
It's not exactly breaking news, but the takeaway from this is that all four rotation guards are relatively close and none are close to elite and that's primarily why this team isn't a championship contender anymore.
This. TGY is trolling like usual. But smart Spurs fans should know this already.
Further proof that Parkernis the biggest headache in town. Lets be honest here, if he wasnt a part of the 2002-2007 team, he'd be RJd already and we wont have to worry about an Atrocious player having Star player level responsibilities...
Spoiler alert:
Kawhi was ranked sixth behind these 5:
1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Steph
4. Chris Paul
5. Westbrook
Chris Paul is the weakest above Kawhi to me
tp is five years younger than manu and can't crack top 100 according to si... and he wants to play how many more years?
So you're agreeing with SI? And so you do agree that Parker is better than Manu all-time?tp is five years younger than manu and can't crack top 100 according to si... and he wants to play how many more years?
Anyone that thinks 39 year old Manu Ginobili is top 100 player is on crack rock, plain and simple. Manu is still a great facilitator, but his offensive game (and defense) is nowhere near starter level at this point. That isn't even mentioning his lack or durability, stamina and inability to play heavy minutes. I love Manu and he has aged better than Tony, but he's been a secondary role player for going on 3 or 4 seasons.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if (like Timmy) the wheels fall completely off by January/February....
Top 100 player...
That isn't even mentioning Green who, unless he has a bounce back season, is in jeopardy of losing his starting job or being traded. You can't be a "3-and-D" player, yet completely lack the three-point shooting ability (while providing nothing else on offense).
Parker isn't a top 100 player either, but he still is competent in the pick-and-roll (LOL, needing "mistakes" but still being good/great in the P-N-R game) while having the ability to score efficiently as well.
He is a terrible defender and can't consistently score or penetrate like in his prime, though.
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#.../ball-handler/
Parker had a better points per possession than everyone above him (with more points) except Chris Paul, Stephen Curry, James Harden and DeMar DeRozan.
Meanwhile, Manu Ginobili was terrible in pick-and-roll situations (0.69 PPP and in the 31st percentile), yet he is still a "top quality" player.
The Ginobili fanboys eat these horse "lists" up but will be mad salty when Parker is inevitably above him in all-time "lists."
Last edited by J_Paco; 09-16-2016 at 06:26 PM.
Was trying to figure out how you could think Green's anywhere near being traded, but then you cite PtR. Still a couple of cattle out to field.
I cited an article from PtR that (was written by a guest "analyst") mentions where Tony was ranked in certain categories, in particular that he's still very good in the dribble - kick out and was still highly efficient when scoring and other areas with video evidenc (in those situations).
It didn't have anything to do with my opinion (note: opinion) that Green could be in danger of being benched or traded if his three-point shot doesn't return. There is a clear logjam at the position (Murray, Simmons, Ginobili & Green), and even with Manu's eventual retirement, the team could use better balance on the perimeter.
Without that ability Green is a bench player or fringe starter at best, and definitely isn't a "top 100" player. Of course, I'm hoping that they are right and Danny returns to his high percentage, marksman ways from downtown. Without it the team's ceiling is much, much lower.
Basically, all the guards have just as many weaknesses as strengths and none of them deserved to be mentioned in a top 100 list, IMHO.
Top 200? Yes. Top 150? One or two, maybe. Top 100? No, not after their piss poor perfomances in either the regular season or postseason.
Last edited by J_Paco; 09-17-2016 at 11:48 AM.
Green is top 100. So is Manu. ing Porker slurpers.
No, (IMO) they aren't if you are basing it on last season's play. All four guards (Mills, Parker, Green & Ginobili) from last year's rotation have major flaws in their skillset at this point.Green is top 100. So is Manu. ing Porker slurpers.
I root for the team not individuals and I call bull when I see it.
I guess you also believe that Chris Paul is better than Kawhi, then?7
Top 10 is about taste. Any top 10 list on anything basketball will always be different.
Everyone can agree whether a person is top 100 or not.
Only a moron like you believes any subjective list (even based on statistics) has any true merit. I guess that means 5 players are better than Kawhi Leonard going by this exact same list.Top 10 is about taste. Any top 10 list on anything basketball will always be different.
Everyone can agree whether a person is top 100 or not.
Clearly, anyone that watched the NBA last season knows that isn't the case, but the writers at SI believe so.
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