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Notorious Manu fan but Tony hater. Too biased IMO . Will post very biased opinions on games he didn't watch. Ughh, nit a fan if gambitNo but I'm starting to love this guy
Why does anyone think a key player needs to be a starter? Spurs historically do better when the 2nd unit brings the tempo up.
The death of this team in the playoffs will no doubt be the pace brought on by necessity when Tony is on the floor. You can see when he tries to run up-tempo offense the entire team is lost. Tony is long accustomed to walking the ball up and surveying the paint to look for openings. Now he's not taking openings because he's switched to "feed LaMarcus" via Pop's command bot. It's forced and looks that way. That's fine, but it takes away the only thing Tony was best in the entire league at: attacking the rim in transition and that "you didn't get set fast enough" dart through the lane, drawing contact and possibly a 3pt play. We don't need him doing that every trip but it needs to be in the arsenal. It's not. The opponent isn't afraid of Tony being in the paint these days, even scrubs snuff him out at the rim or he misses shots he used to make in his sleep. However, even though Tony cannot attack like he once did, he still gets into that setup as if he might, but he doesn't, so it leaves him looking for a bail out.
And let's not let the rest of the guys off the hook. There was no "find a better shot" ball movement. There was "find me a better shot" head fakes and putting the ball on the floor. It was all iso plays without iso calls. Perhaps the rotations are why, you could see no one had a ing clue where to be and Pop seemed to enjoy that, but Manu and Tony were visibly pissed off about it more than once.
Ball movement is the only thing that's going to beat the Warriors. They are too good defensively to beat with iso plays and dribble drive penetration time and again. If that would work the Thunder would beat them. We'll have to have ball movement and trust our shooters, and live with the results like we did in the Finals 2014. KL is going to have to drop his nuts again, and stop second guessing himself. He needs to just go out and play, stop looking to upgrade all the time and take the open look. We'll all live with the results of a shot taken in rhythm over that last second heave from the corner or pass out from the paint to basically no one.
Notorious Manu fan but Tony hater. Too biased IMO . Will post very biased opinions on games he didn't watch. Ughh, nit a fan if gambitNo but I'm starting to love this guy
No but I'm starting to love this guy
i just wanted the spurs to play to their full potential. this is pretty much the same team that won in 2014... except we added la. we can play better.
damn, you're a for saying that tbh. i commented in a thread because i was mentioned in it. I DIDN'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO THE GAME THAT I SAID I MISSED. so you're wrong.
i do love manu, he's my favorite player.
at this point i do also hate parker. because his style of play. i truly think we play more team orientated basketball with him off the court.
i never always hated parker. i said on here he was a top 3 mvp candidate a few years ago.
It's so hard not to get totally frustrated when your team has games like this, it's also human nature to find an excuse to laugh in bad nights.
Just trolling. But the Parker-not-pretending-to-be-CP3 was at least a little bit funny.
Of course we can. The Spurs will look a lot better in playoffs.
i just wanted the spurs to play to their full potential. this is pretty much the same team that won in 2014... except we added la. we can play better.
Actually why hate on a player? Just discuss strategies on how to win the ball game.. without the hatred..
If Porker sucks, just ing don't play him.. or call Pop to tell him not to play Porker..
no point ing about this for more than 2-3 years..
Oh my goodness. No. It doesn't matter if fans complain about Pop playing Parker and Manu against the Warriors. He doesn't care and will live and die with them. Even if it means another elimination in the playoffs. They need to find a new pg this summer or it's going to be a long time before they ever get back to the WCF.
I would respect your opinion more if I didn't see you give very biased Mills over Parker takes over a game you did not watch. I am critical of Tony and mills both but about games I watched. I only hold you to standards I do myself if that makes me a for you so be it. It wasn't so much the bias that got me as we all have our own. It was that you did not watch the game and witness the pathetic ty play of Mills that game to be making that much of a one sided opinion. Otherwise we cool.
i just wanted the spurs to play to their full potential. this is pretty much the same team that won in 2014... except we added la. we can play better.
damn, you're a for saying that tbh. i commented in a thread because i was mentioned in it. I DIDN'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO THE GAME THAT I SAID I MISSED. so you're wrong.
i do love manu, he's my favorite player.
at this point i do also hate parker. because his style of play. i truly think we play more team orientated basketball with him off the court.
i never always hated parker. i said on here he was a top 3 mvp candidate a few years ago.
Has to be gamesmanship. I mean c'mon, Boban is lost out there and Pop gave him run tonight in the pivotal point of the game. This was like preseason football game. Off tackle right, off tackle left, screen pass, punt. Pop doesn't want to show any hand, surprised Bonner made no appearance. It's going to be heavy, heavy doses of Diaw and LMA in the playoffs...no DWest or (sad to say) TD...
no, we're not cool actually.
i don't give a what you have to say anymore tbh.
YOU said about me: Will post very biased opinions on games he didn't watch
that's not ing true.
i already said: i commented in a thread because i was mentioned in it. I DID NOT EVEN GIVE AN OPINION ON THE GAME I MISSED. can you read?
maybe it's beneath you to admit when you're wrong. or you're okay with making slanderous, untrue remarks.
Ok we are not a fan of each other. I don't want to make you angry as there is no need. I am also not upset by you calling me names. Peace?
Never admitting that you're wrong when you clearly are and deflect is not a sign of intelligence.
i wasn't trying to upset you by calling you a , it was just an observation i was sharing. i actually was a fan of yours until you opened your mouth and that bull came out.
^ that's the standard you hold yourself to?
i'm done.
Ok gambit that was funnyas I think this is the first video someone looks up specially for me.
Because there's games every other day, and some people are just ing tired of watching the same bull over and over, so they react to it.
This isn't particular to Parker either, it happens also with Manu, Bonner, Kawhi and a host of players...
Bonner probably has the longest-lasting hatefest in this place and still going strong... 2-3 years is nothing.
Spurs best lineup vs the dubs death lineup is this
manu vs klay
green vs steph
diaw vs barnes
kawhi vs green
LMA vs iggy
Thats is the best lineup to match the death lineup. We got all the positions covered for D and lots of scoring. Manu is are best passer and he will facilitate the offense to get LMA, Kawhi and Boris easy baskets. Also with that lineup dubs might have to get out of it that death lineup because Manu will recognize the mismatch who Barnes covers. Because if he covers Boris or LMA, Manu will feed that player and exploit who Barnes covers. Barnes is going to need help and when green or iggy help out out the weak side is going to be wide open.
what team was parker the key to beating in the 2016 playoffs? what about 2017?
Still, the anti-parker crew has a zest that I never saw for Bonner, Manu or Kawhi. By that I mean nearly every thread these days seems to turn into a profane Parker thread. You'll have a perfectly nice thread and then - bam! - Parker ing commences. While Bonner hate has been excessive, and Kawhi and Manu have had their share of unreasonable detractors, I don't remember the hate so often seeping into unrelated thread. It's closer to prime Scola thread territory, where random topics would transform into a discussion of the failure to sign Scola.
Having said all that, I will now chime in on the Parker situation.
Lastly, we shouldn't be so quick to get rid of Tony. I'm a big Miami Dolphins fan. When Dan Marino was aging, people were clamoring for young blood to replace him. Then he retired and Fins fans realized how much it sucks. The Fins haven't had a good much-less-great QB in 17 years. Don't be in such a hurry to push out your hall of famers.
Last edited by BillMc; 09-18-2016 at 10:30 AM.
Nearly?
I agree with most of what you say. (I usually do.) And I agree that all the krew bull here is mind-numbing. But... Dan Marino was a great passer. People talk a lot about his scrambling, but I don't think he ever ran for much more than 50 yards in a single season. The point is, he made his living his arm, and not his legs, so he was still pretty close to the same level later in his career. Tony's strength as a PG was always his quickness. He could blow past defenders and get to the rim at almost any time. He suffers a lot more from losing a step that some other great point guards. Sort of like the way RGIII suffered when he hurt his leg and couldn't scramble like he used to. Now that I think about it, Tony as a PG is a lot like RGIII as a QB. RGIII was never a great pure passer, and Tony was never a great pure point.
It's probably worth mentioning that Dan Marino never won a Superbowl. I don't think Tony is ready for the scrapheap. But unless he finds a way to change his game, or finds the fountain of youth, I'm getting more doubtful that he can be the PG on a Championship team. He may still be better than whoever they could get to replace him. But since we Spurs fans are all spoiled to think about Championships every year, it's not surprising that people are seeing Tony as the weakest link.
exactly.
what i had to say in early january:
You weren't here in 2013? The hate for Manu in 2013 was even worse, tbh, and it's not close. Manu at least was able to redeem himself a season later. TGY and hater tried to stick with the schtick, but you can tell it's no longer effective since then.
Realistically Tony was never going anywhere, you had to hope he would just find a new niche or adapt his game to his new realities, like TD and Manu have done when they aged. The lack of that I think it's what infuriates certain fans, tbh... personally, this is a new season, and hopefully we'll see a new Tony. He isn't going anywhere until his deal is up, and likely will get extended if that's what he wants.
I would've said that in pink, too.
tp can still retool... he had last season to do that though, and the season before that...
people on this forum who think his style of play is actually good for the team
Still, the anti-parker crew has a zest that I never saw for Bonner, Manu or Kawhi. By that I mean nearly every thread these days seems to turn into a profane Parker thread. You'll have a perfectly nice thread and then - bam! - Parker ing commences. While Bonner hate has been excessive, and Kawhi and Manu have had their share of unreasonable detractors, I don't remember the hate so often seeping into unrelated thread. It's closer to prime Scola thread territory, where random topics would transform into a discussion of the failure to sign Scola.
Having said all that, I will now chime in on the Parker situation.
Lastly, we shouldn't be so quick to get rid of Tony. I'm a big Miami Dolphins fan. When Dan Marino was aging, people were clamoring for young blood to replace him. Then he retired and Fins fans realized how much it sucks. The Fins haven't had a good much-less-great QB in 17 years. Don't be in such a hurry to push out your hall of famers.
Developing youth is the way to go at this point. As the young guys grow up, the Spurs will know exactly what they have in each of them and they can then retain only those they want. At that point these guys are young enough to still have their best years ahead of them and will produce a lot health permitting, while both team and player have chemistry and there are no surprises. They are likely to give the Spurs the best value. FA, unless they are at the edge of their careers, require a premium and won't always produce up to the level of their contracts (potentially a lot of Richard Jeffersons were signed this offseason by many teams). Anyways, internal growth from young players is the best possible scenario. Obviously not every need can be supplied through the draft either and that is how LMA and Pau came to be in the team.
The Spurs are transforming. They were already looking very different last season with the team tailored to Kawhi's talent (fans complaining about lack of ball movement and 'the beautiful game') and it's still changing bc the young bench players are all in different stages of development too but as they grow up as players they need to be integrated into the team and placed in positions to be successful as well. A team with them in it is going to be different. There is not going to be another Manu or another Tony. Fans need to enjoy what they have right now even in their declined states instead of so much whining.
But I bet you this, soon as they are retired the whining will commence with other players. It has already commenced with Slo-Mo and will likely include others soon.
For me, I don't care, I am ready for the season to start. I like the current team. I like the current youngsters, the aged fellas, the whole package. I look forward to see what comes out of this season.
I agree. We're a first/second round exit without MVParker.
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