76ers: Woj: Philly to trade Okafor or Noel

[Brazil]

I'd trade fathead for a white American player, tbh

and not even a very good one

[Chinook]

His release is an overall issue, your "only" is selling it short, that's a problem. To help the team out he indeed needs to space the floor with some 3s here and there.

It's a problem if he isn't the first option in the second unit. Just like Parker not being a willing three-point shooter has only become a problem now that he isn't the focal point of the starting unit. When you are the guy, you aren't spacing the floor for other people; they're spacing the floor for you. And even though you may struggle with your release, teams will play tight on you if you're the first option. Obviously, we'd want him to shoot well and with a good release -- and it seems like he's made strides to that end -- but that's not his biggest concern.

He has no business playing SFs, too slow so he has to play dat PF position but he is lacking strenght which would put him in check against most starting PFs except some SFs playing PF for their team.

I think this has been shown to be overstated. He turned in a fine defensive year playing mostly as a small-forward. You don't have to be all that fast to guard front-court guys. Positioning and length are much more helpful, and Anderson have both in spades. He's certainly a risk as a full-time starting four, but he's not playing that role anyway. His high-post game is the perfect way to counter both smaller and bigger players

For the rest I'm quite astonished by the amount of hype and attention he is receiving by ST for a very quiet 2 first years with the Spurs.

He's shown more than Joseph had at the same time, especially defensively. Like Cory, he's one of those players who Manu makes worse. And at his size and skill, there's a ton to like. The fact that he looks so much better without Manu is plenty of reason to feel like the Spurs haven't seen the best he has to offer.

[Brazil]

It's a problem if he isn't the first option in the second unit. Just like Parker not being a willing three-point shooter has only become a problem now that he isn't the focal point of the starting unit. When you are the guy, you aren't spacing the floor for other people; they're spacing the floor for you. And even though you may struggle with your release, teams will play tight on you if you're the first option. Obviously, we'd want him to shoot well and with a good release -- and it seems like he's made strides to that end -- but that's not his biggest concern.



I think this has been shown to be overstated. He turned in a fine defensive year playing mostly as a small-forward. You don't have to be all that fast to guard front-court guys. Positioning and length are much more helpful, and Anderson have both in spades. He's certainly a risk as a full-time starting four, but he's not playing that role anyway. His high-post game is the perfect way to counter both smaller and bigger players



He's shown more than Joseph had at the same time, especially defensively. Like Cory, he's one of those players who Manu makes worse. And at his size and skill, there's a ton to like. The fact that he looks so much better without Manu is plenty of reason to feel like the Spurs haven't seen the best he has to offer.

He was fine playing with most of the time bench guys, the RJs of the league... now and that I can agree with defensively he is doing better than expected, he uses quite his length. Nevertheless he has to settle somewhere and his shot is at PF imo.

I disagree that he has shown more than Joseph at the same age but I already made that comment anyway. I won't follow you either on the who Manu makes worse, I don't think it is correct especially in Cory case but I haven't seen any numbers on dat.

[Chinook]

He was fine playing with most of the time bench guys, the RJs of the league... now and that I can agree with defensively he is doing better than expected, he uses quite his length. Nevertheless he has to settle somewhere and his shot is at PF imo.

Seeing as he's going to keep playing against bench guys, I think him being fine against them defensively is more than okay.

I disagree that he has shown more than Joseph at the same age but I already made that comment anyway. I won't follow you either on the who Manu makes worse, I don't think it is correct especially in Cory case but I haven't seen any numbers on dat.

There's a lot of retroactive support for Cory nowadays. Very few of us actually believed in his ability to excel as a lead guard. For the most part, he just played passively, and he couldn't shoot well enough to justify playing over Patty. In Toronto, his efficiency went down, but his actual impact increase significantly. If you look, his rate stats either held the same or went down in the larger role, but in watching the games, he played with energy and made smart, assertive decisions with the ball. In SA, he just couldn't get into rhythm.

Anderson is just like that, but he's better in damned near every way. He's bigger and a lot less raw than Cory was. And he spent years as an effective first option as opposed to Cory being a meh PG, so it's an even harder adjustment. Anyway, Anderson showed more defensively because he was able to affect a wider range with his size. He was also smart enough to anticipate the opponent to get steals in places where Cory was dead to rights. By the end of his fourth year, Joseph showed his ability to run an offense as the lead guard, but going into year three, he had nothing but a mostly promising summer league performance.

[BillMc]

Yours and Brazil's feud is so strange. He's a good dude. I do think is sort of irrationally dislikes Anderson, but that's whatevs. We all have our favorites, and except for super classy posters like BillMc , we all have our least favorites.

Thanks for the props, my man. Back at you!

Like everyone I have my favorites. With Timmy gone Manu is my guy, even though I have to admit his game has slipped. And my Latvian connection means I'm probably going to if Pop doesn't play Bertans good minutes. I foresee me and SAGirl having a brouhaha over the backup SF/PF spot between KA and Davis. (Just kidding, SAGirl).

As far as classy, my juvenile signature filled with animation and babes probably brings that down a notch or four. I really should grow up and ditch that stuff.

To your point about Joseph in other posts. I remember that in (2013?) he had the backup position and it was Patty who was the one on the bench (waving his towel). I thought it was 2014 where Patty really got his role. Then Patty had the shoulder surgery and was out much of 2015. So, the two flip-flopped back and forth in the depth chart. Patty had the shooting advantage, he was on a sweet deal because he signed at a discount while injured, and he was also part of the LMA recruiting crew. So, Patty finally emerged as the one to stay. They were viewed as about even probably most of the time Patty and CJ were on the team. Or that's how I remember it. Also, I agree, Kyle can do things CJ never can because of his size and his ability to run an offense. Should be interesting to watch him develop! (Just not at the expense of Bertans! )

[Brazil]

Seeing as he's going to keep playing against bench guys, I think him being fine against them defensively is more than okay.

I never said otherwise, that's a bit of my point, defensively he is doing quite good actually but offensively he struggles... he may be great on isos and one on one but at the end his production in terms of playmaking and shooting is not there... at all. He defers too much, he is hesitant, he cannot hit the side of a barn most of the time. Fundation is here meaning not being a liability defensively against bench dudes now as for offensive production, he just sucks despite some niche here and there and some glimpses of a potential... worth the try... I guess. As for now he is a meh off the bench role player who is much worst on POs situation.

There's a lot of retroactive support for Cory nowadays. Very few of us actually believed in his ability to excel as a lead guard. For the most part, he just played passively, and he couldn't shoot well enough to justify playing over Patty. In Toronto, his efficiency went down, but his actual impact increase significantly. If you look, his rate stats either held the same or went down in the larger role, but in watching the games, he played with energy and made smart, assertive decisions with the ball. In SA, he just couldn't get into rhythm.

I'd say he is now a worst per 36 without Manu tbh... You said it, his efficiency went down and by a significant margin, per 36 he is still taking 10 FGAs and his assists and tov numbers are about the same. So Toronto has more or less the same player Spurs had playing 7 more minutes... with those 7 additional minutes his advanced stats went down by quite a lot actually (VORP, PER...).

So I'd say that playing without Manu and without Spurs system makes a less efficient and productive player. With Spurs he also played with energy and made a lot of smart decisions. After looking up a bit more I'd argue Manu was making a much better player than the contrary

ps: I do understand when volume increase efficiency decrease... my point is more that I don't believe in your Manu makes Cory worst

[Brazil]

Thanks for the props, my man. Back at you!

Like everyone I have my favorites. With Timmy gone Manu is my guy, even though I have to admit his game has slipped. And my Latvian connection means I'm probably going to if Pop doesn't play Bertans good minutes. I foresee me and SAGirl having a brouhaha over the backup SF/PF spot between KA and Davis. (Just kidding, SAGirl).

As far as classy, my juvenile signature filled with animation and babes probably brings that down a notch or four. I really should grow up and ditch that stuff.

To your point about Joseph in other posts. I remember that in (2013?) he had the backup position and it was Patty who was the one on the bench (waving his towel). I thought it was 2014 where Patty really got his role. Then Patty had the shoulder surgery and was out much of 2015. So, the two flip-flopped back and forth in the depth chart. Patty had the shooting advantage, he was on a sweet deal because he signed at a discount while injured, and he was also part of the LMA recruiting crew. So, Patty finally emerged as the one to stay. They were viewed as about even probably most of the time Patty and CJ were on the team. Or that's how I remember it. Also, I agree, Kyle can do things CJ never can because of his size and his ability to run an offense. Should be interesting to watch him develop! (Just not at the expense of Bertans! )

Man you have an ally here !! I want badly Bertans to develop and offer an alternative !! of course it would be great material to troll a bit but it would be a good sign for Spurs... I will enjoy laughing like one would say

Go Bertans Go !

[TheGreatYacht]

and not even a very good one

I'd take the tiest Zeller brother over this slow POS

[SAGirl]

Again you don't understand difference between doing good on short stretches and doing good consistently. Let's hope you will enjoy laughing indeed, that would be a good news for the Spurs. So far I'm the one laughing at you because you are a player fan who would stop watching Spurs in case your boy is traded and last POs let's be honest he has been putrid on offense, his shooting was simply atrocious. For those 10 games he shot worst than Kobe Bryant, that's saying something

Oh and I love seeing people that started watching basketball 3 years ago going to the road of you don't watch games and focus on 2007 run... shhhh girl

Frankly he played 20 minutes per game from January on and played in 78 games. He started the season not shooting well but he also played very little then and took very few shots. He then played very well when the team needed him to, when Timmy, Kawhi, and Manu were injured and kept that up for the rest of the season. He gained confidence with playing time an improved through the season. He played better in the latter part of the season when the schedule was toughest than he did in the beginning bc he was practically a rookie, having played so little his first season an he needs playing time to find his rhythm. It's easy to see if you watched him and look up his stats.

In the playoffs he wasn't free to pick his spots. He was reduced to spotting up from 3 as others chucked to their hearts content. He took very few shots which makes it a very small sample and played a short enough amount of minutes that his role wasn't to score unless he had a good shot which didn't happen bc of the all out implosion by Pop and the bench but you know that. Others shot putrid as well whose role was to actually score. You can't ask someone to be consistent who is your tenth man and is not free to pick his shots or his role.

I am a fan but I admit that. Never argued different. you are a hater and cite Manu to argue he was made better by Manu when that was not true. If anything it didn't help. Then you argued he was inconsistent when he as practically a rookie getting adjusted to start and git better all through the season.

Every point you makes comes out flat, lacking and wrong. When I point it out you keep moving your points around. Then it's Girl this and that, emotional this and that, etc. Waste of time.

[SAGirl]

Man you have an ally here !! I want badly Bertans to develop and offer an alternative !! of course it would be great material to troll a bit but it would be a good sign for Spurs... I will enjoy laughing like one would say

Go Bertans Go !

Sign of a troll-hater: you only want Bertans to do well to troll.

[SAGirl]

Yours and Brazil's feud is so strange. He's a good dude. I do think is sort of irrationally dislikes Anderson, but that's whatevs. We all have our favorites, and except for super classy posters like BillMc , we all have our least favorites.

Frankly disagree Brazil is a nice dude. He's sexist, intentionaly demeaning and puts stuff out there in ignorant fashion just to be provocative. Then when I call him out on it he gets on Daboom levels and starts an emoticon war that really only shows me his quality as a troll.
^^ sorry I had to laugh at myself bc the dude really works had to troll. I have to give him credit.

[SAGirl]

Thanks for the props, my man. Back at you!

Like everyone I have my favorites. With Timmy gone Manu is my guy, even though I have to admit his game has slipped. And my Latvian connection means I'm probably going to if Pop doesn't play Bertans good minutes. I foresee me and SAGirl having a brouhaha over the backup SF/PF spot between KA and Davis. (Just kidding, SAGirl).

As far as classy, my juvenile signature filled with animation and babes probably brings that down a notch or four. I really should grow up and ditch that stuff.

To your point about Joseph in other posts. I remember that in (2013?) he had the backup position and it was Patty who was the one on the bench (waving his towel). I thought it was 2014 where Patty really got his role. Then Patty had the shoulder surgery and was out much of 2015. So, the two flip-flopped back and forth in the depth chart. Patty had the shooting advantage, he was on a sweet deal because he signed at a discount while injured, and he was also part of the LMA recruiting crew. So, Patty finally emerged as the one to stay. They were viewed as about even probably most of the time Patty and CJ were on the team. Or that's how I remember it. Also, I agree, Kyle can do things CJ never can because of his size and his ability to run an offense. Should be interesting to watch him develop! (Just not at the expense of Bertans! )

Feud won't happen bc I like Bertans, not more than Kyle, but we all have our favorites an unlike Brazil I am not in the habit of trolling fans of other players, or even trolling in general.

[pookenstein]

...sexist, intentionaly demeaning and puts stuff out there in ignorant fashion just to be provocative.

That's ST in a nuts these days...

[Chinook]

I never said otherwise, that's a bit of my point, defensively he is doing quite good actually but offensively he struggles... he may be great on isos and one on one but at the end his production in terms of playmaking and shooting is not there... at all. He defers too much, he is hesitant, he cannot hit the side of a barn most of the time. Fundation is here meaning not being a liability defensively against bench dudes now as for offensive production, he just sucks despite some niche here and there and some glimpses of a potential... worth the try... I guess. As for now he is a meh off the bench role player who is much worst on POs situation.

I think we can all agree he looks better when he's the main guy with the ball, whether that is in summer league or in the regular season when the shot clock is running down and he can't defer. I also think we can all agree that the bench needs someone to take control of it now that Manu really can't anymore. Now it's just time to see if two and two can make four or if it's going to be all about Murray developing in a hurray.

I'd say he is now a worst per 36 without Manu tbh... You said it, his efficiency went down and by a significant margin, per 36 he is still taking 10 FGAs and his assists and tov numbers are about the same. So Toronto has more or less the same player Spurs had playing 7 more minutes... with those 7 additional minutes his advanced stats went down by quite a lot actually (VORP, PER...).

Yeah, that's his efficiency. His impact is how much he actually affects wins and losses.

So I'd say that playing without Manu and without Spurs system makes a less efficient and productive player. With Spurs he also played with energy and made a lot of smart decisions. After looking up a bit more I'd argue Manu was making a much better player than the contrary

As you note in your postscript, you're going to be more efficient in a limited role unless you're just a sucky player like Kevin Martin or Jimmer. But that's not the only way to help an offense. For example, look at Cory's threes. He shot 55 percent of his threes from the corners as a Spur. That dropped to 31 percent last season. While corner threes are the most efficient jumpshot, wing threes provide better spacing.



Start about about the 4:20 mark for the part on Joseph. A tentative CoJo might be more efficient, but an unleashed CoJo is just a different animal. It was like that Ibaka dunk, but instead of just a play here or there, it's all the time.

[Chinook]

Frankly disagree Brazil is a nice dude. He's sexist, intentionaly demeaning and puts stuff out there in ignorant fashion just to be provocative. Then when I call him out on it he gets on Daboom levels and starts an emoticon war that really only shows me his quality as a troll.
^^ sorry I had to laugh at myself bc the dude really works had to troll. I have to give him credit.

When you've been around ST long enough (and I mean longer than I have been here), you eventually become one of two types of posters. You either sort of fade into the background and only make a couple of mostly serious posts. You rarely have enemy posters, but you are almost an emeritus member. Those folks are like Mel, DPG and FromWayDowntown (though FWD does post in the political forum quite a bit). They're like site treasures.

Or you can become a poster like Baseline Bum or benefactor where you pretty much stop taking the site seriously and either troll or lose all sense of site etiquette in responding to people who you think are annoying. I think Brazil is in that group.

Only one who successfully spans both groups is ElNono, honestly. He manages to be a site treasure despite that fact that he's a very active poster and is no stranger to player fandom.

[BillMc]

Feud won't happen bc I like Bertans, not more than Kyle, but we all have our favorites an unlike Brazil I am not in the habit of trolling fans of other players, or even trolling in general.

It was a joke.

[Brazil]

Frankly disagree Brazil is a nice dude. He's sexist, intentionaly demeaning and puts stuff out there in ignorant fashion just to be provocative. Then when I call him out on it he gets on Daboom levels and starts an emoticon war that really only shows me his quality as a troll.
^^ sorry I had to laugh at myself bc the dude really works had to troll. I have to give him credit.

dat butt is hurting apparently

Not sure why you are saying I'm sexist. I use shhhh girl for males and females, it is probably the first or second time I use it to reply to a girl post. For those who are in this site long enough know that for instance I always backed up Duncan228 when she was attacked, so yeah... sexist.... try harder

For the rest and in a nuts if you throw a punch to me (like I don't watch basketball onle 2007 Parker highlights) you must expect that I will come back at you with a stronger one. If this hurts your feeling better find another forum to talk about Kyle. This forum is spurstalk not ptr.

Finally don't think the world turns around you, saying Kyle sucks is not for trolling, it is exactly what I think even though I recognize his ceiling and potential. When Dabom talks about Parker, he is not saying that because he wants to hurt my feelings but because he doesn't like him and has some fun provoking. You should chill and stop responding at any posts with negative content about Kyle Anderson and enjoy the ride

[Brazil]

When you've been around ST long enough (and I mean longer than I have been here), you eventually become one of two types of posters. You either sort of fade into the background and only make a couple of mostly serious posts. You rarely have enemy posters, but you are almost an emeritus member. Those folks are like Mel, DPG and FromWayDowntown (though FWD does post in the political forum quite a bit). They're like site treasures.

Or you can become a poster like Baseline Bum or benefactor where you pretty much stop taking the site seriously and either troll or lose all sense of site etiquette in responding to people who you think are annoying. I think Brazil is in that group.

Only one who successfully spans both groups is ElNono, honestly. He manages to be a site treasure despite that fact that he's a very active poster and is no stranger to player fandom.

I'm curious to know in what category you consider you are in even though I already have an idea

We have a nice and educated conversation about Cojo where it seems to me I take time to argue with you but at the same time I don't take the site seriously and I troll ?

Baseline, Bene, Dabom, Apo, Harlem, Thread... all those dudes are site treasures my man... this mix between civilized conversation and people stirring the pot is what makes this site unique. A lot of what you consider great bb discussions start with a provocation of those guys... but I let you distribute the little stars to ST contributors

[Chinook]

I'm curious to know in what category you consider you are in even though I already have an idea

I don't think I am tenured enough. I wasn't here "when Spurstalk was good". I showed up the season that "It still hurts" happened. I definitely feel like I've taken a harder edge on this site as time went on. If I think a poster is bad, I often tell them so rather than trying to be diplomatic. I don't think I'll be a site treasure. I have a growing following of haters and have too strong of opinions to get to that point.

We have a nice and educated conversation about Cojo where it seems to me I take time to argue with you but at the same time I don't take the site seriously and I troll ?

I am not saying "Doesn't take the site seriously" as an insult. I mean that you don't act like you're writing a sports article for every post. If you think a player sucks, you'll say so without caring if their church calls you out. And yes, you'll like to have a bit of trolling fun with posters rather than just ignore them. That doesn't make you a bad poser, hence me trying to rationalize it to SAG. I don't see myself as much different from you, honestly. But since Green is an American, there isn't that nationalist angle like there is with Tony.

Baseline, Bene, Dabom, Apo, Harlem, Thread... all those dudes are site treasures my man... this mix between civilized conversation and people stirring the pot is what makes this site unique. A lot of what you consider great bb discussions start with a provocation of those guys... but I let you distribute the little stars to ST contributors

I like all of those guys except dabom, because he is pretty much the forum's soggy biscuit and only has emoticons to offer if he can't piggyback off Apa or Harlem. But even he is relatively easy to ignore.

My point isn't that you have good posters and bad posters. Bene in particular is a real dude in the NFL forum. It's that you have different personalities on ST and that some people either don't mind or actually want to rub you the wrong way. But for the most part, that doesn't make any of them bad posters. You aren't a bad poster. I pretty much said that explicitly in that post you quoted. But as the feud with SAG shows you aren't exactly the most diplomatic one either.

[Brazil]

Frankly he played 20 minutes per game from January on and played in 78 games. He started the season not shooting well but he also played very little then and took very few shots. He then played very well when the team needed him to, when Timmy, Kawhi, and Manu were injured and kept that up for the rest of the season. He gained confidence with playing time an improved through the season. He played better in the latter part of the season when the schedule was toughest than he did in the beginning bc he was practically a rookie, having played so little his first season an he needs playing time to find his rhythm. It's easy to see if you watched him and look up his stats.

In the playoffs he wasn't free to pick his spots. He was reduced to spotting up from 3 as others chucked to their hearts content. He took very few shots which makes it a very small sample and played a short enough amount of minutes that his role wasn't to score unless he had a good shot which didn't happen bc of the all out implosion by Pop and the bench but you know that. Others shot putrid as well whose role was to actually score. You can't ask someone to be consistent who is your tenth man and is not free to pick his shots or his role.

I am a fan but I admit that. Never argued different. you are a hater and cite Manu to argue he was made better by Manu when that was not true. If anything it didn't help. Then you argued he was inconsistent when he as practically a rookie getting adjusted to start and git better all through the season.

Every point you makes comes out flat, lacking and wrong. When I point it out you keep moving your points around. Then it's Girl this and that, emotional this and that, etc. Waste of time.

Every point you make is point of view, opinion and just that... you don't back anything up with data. You are heavily biased and don't realize it. I just post facts.

You think Kyle was better at 22 than Cory, I don't think so and showed data for backing up my point.

Now let's have a look at another one of your opinion: "He started the season not shooting well but he also played very little then and took very few shots. He then played very well when the team needed him to". Correct me if I'm wrong but your point is he had inconsistent PT to start the season and did not shoot well for basically rythm issue but then he improved, I believe you implied he improved also his shooting.

Let's see facts then... for 15/16 season he shot .468. Now from January 1st he played 41 games out of 42 possible, during this span he took 199 shots and made 90 of them that's .452. Now you gonna tell me yeah but ok let's look from March 43/98 thats .438. yeah but ? April then... thats .47

Basically what we all already know is he had a solid month of April, I recognize that.... .47 shooting is not bad not spectacular either since he played 1/3 of his time PF so near the basket. This is this month that gives you hope a 7 games span. So a homer will see that as the proof of how great he will become a realist will see that as too short too little to draw any conclusions especially when followed by 10 putrid POs games.

Sorry also but I don't buy your excuses about POs and being put in not ideal conditions... welcome to the NBA SAGirl... most of the players of the NBA have to adapt and find ways to contributes even if they are not put in ideal conditions... that's the nature of the beast, take the opportunity, contribute and deliver in the 5 minutes divided in 4 you have... if you can't do you are not NBA material. Summer leagues, D Leagues etc are for babysitting not the NBA

[Brazil]

I don't think I am tenured enough. I wasn't here "when Spurstalk was good". I showed up the season that "It still hurts" happened. I definitely feel like I've taken a harder edge on this site as time went on. If I think a poster is bad, I often tell them so rather than trying to be diplomatic. I don't think I'll be a site treasure. I have a growing following of haters and have too strong of opinions to get to that point.



I am not saying "Doesn't take the site seriously" as an insult. I mean that you don't act like you're writing a sports article for every post. If you think a player sucks, you'll say so without caring if their church calls you out. And yes, you'll like to have a bit of trolling fun with posters rather than just ignore them. That doesn't make you a bad poser, hence me trying to rationalize it to SAG. I don't see myself as much different from you, honestly. But since Green is an American, there isn't that nationalist angle like there is with Tony.



I like all of those guys except dabom, because he is pretty much the forum's soggy biscuit and only has emoticons to offer if he can't piggyback off Apa or Harlem. But even he is relatively easy to ignore.

My point isn't that you have good posters and bad posters. Bene in particular is a real dude in the NFL forum. It's that you have different personalities on ST and that some people either don't mind or actually want to rub you the wrong way. But for the most part, that doesn't make any of them bad posters. You aren't a bad poster. I pretty much said that explicitly in that post you quoted. But as the feud with SAG shows you aren't exactly the most diplomatic one either.

thanks for taking the time for clearing up your previous post

I consider I'm heavily diplomatic with SAGirl tbh If you consider Dabom the least diplomatic, he is a 0 out of 10 in terms of diplomacy, I'm probably at a good 9 and compared to site average a solid 6 imho.

[Chinook]

Let's see facts then... for 15/16 season he shot .468. Now from January 1st he played 41 games out of 42 possible, during this span he took 199 shots and made 90 of them that's .452. Now you gonna tell me yeah but ok let's look from March 43/98 thats .438. yeah but ? April then... thats .47

I do think your point is valid, but I also think a better split to consider is the splits based on minutes played rather than how late in the season it was. Throughout his career, Anderson's most efficient games seem to come when he gets between 20 and 29 minutes per game (averaging out to about 24mpg). In those games, his TS% was about 61. That's very strong, and his per-36 numbers of 11/6/3 are certainly encouraging. Above and below that threshold, he's under 50 in TS% and is actually a net-negative in terms of ORtg and DRtg. In that sweet spot, he's actually a huge positive -- based mostly on his high ORtg of 112. And mind you, this is in 23/111 games. So it's enough of a sample size to be intrigued, even if it's not a sure thing.

Again, just too many signs to ignore for me. Dude has sixth man written all over him.

[Brazil]

I do think your point is valid, but I also think a better split to consider is the splits based on minutes played rather than how late in the season it was. Throughout his career, Anderson's most efficient games seem to come when he gets between 20 and 29 minutes per game (averaging out to about 24mpg). In those games, his TS% was about 61. That's very strong, and his per-36 numbers of 11/6/3 are certainly encouraging. Above and below that threshold, he's under 50 in TS% and is actually a net-negative in terms of ORtg and DRtg. In that sweet spot, he's actually a huge positive -- based mostly on his high ORtg of 112. And mind you, this is in 23/111 games. So it's enough of a sample size to be intrigued, even if it's not a sure thing.

Again, just too many signs to ignore for me. Dude has sixth man written all over him.

Valid point. I was looking into it and what is interesting in that half of those games were against > .500 teams so not flukish

I would counter argue two things tho:

1) In POs he had 2 games with more than 20 mn and results were atrocious... 3/8 shooting and +3 when team had +53. now you could put that on garbage time effect even though it should give opp to actually improve his numbers. He had 6 games with more than 14 mn... why 14 mn ? because other 4 did not break 8 mn. In those games he was bad also.

2) As I said in a previous post, he has to learn to produce even when he is used sporadically ffs. So overall you have to give him significant PT in his 3rd year (around 20 mn), give him the ball and pray it will work out in POs when info you have so far is that he has terrible in POs. That's quite a bet to make if you consider yourself a contender. If you are in rebuilding mode why not but when you have kawhi hitting his prime in your roster you probably play to win it all. I don't remember who said that but yes that's sixth man material in a young team building up for the future not for a contending team imho. In a nuts he has to adapt to what team needs not the other way around again imho without any sexism involved

[Brazil]

^ just a complementary comment... I prefer having this kind of discussion where numbers are put on the table, it offers another angle, you learn stuff and logic backed up by data makes conversation healthy. I prefer that to wall of text with just opinions and feelings and the way I see things. Nobody will ever convince me that their opinion is better than mine (duh) now if you put logic and numbers I will certainly listen.

[Chinook]

Valid point. I was looking into it and what is interesting in that half of those games were against > .500 teams so not flukish

I would counter argue two things tho:

1) In POs he had 2 games with more than 20 mn and results were atrocious... 3/8 shooting and +3 when team had +53. now you could put that on garbage time effect even though it should give opp to actually improve his numbers. He had 6 games with more than 14 mn... why 14 mn ? because other 4 did not break 8 mn. In those games he was bad also.

I don't think shooting eight times in two games is a sign of Anderson having the trust and correct mindset. I know that's some of your point, and as I've said, I don't disagree with that. Part of Pop's job -- and probably his most important job this season -- is to get the most out of his guys. That means he has to do whatever he has to to get Kyle to play aggressively, even if he has to hypnotize him into believing he's better than he is. Pop obviously talked up Kawhi quite a bit before the dude's offensive game caught up to the hype. And he talked up Simmons quite a bit even though that dude's a scrub.

2) As I said in a previous post, he has to learn to produce even when he is used sporadically ffs. So overall you have to give him significant PT in his 3rd year (around 20 mn), give him the ball and pray it will work out in POs when info you have so far is that he has terrible in POs. That's quite a bet to make if you consider yourself a contender. If you are in rebuilding mode why not but when you have kawhi hitting his prime in your roster you probably play to win it all. I don't remember who said that but yes that's sixth man material in a young team building up for the future not for a contending team imho. In a nuts he has to adapt to what team needs not the other way around again imho without any sexism involved

You don't have 20 years of success by having a strong distinction between rebuilding and contending. Trading Hill and not trading Green for Josh Howard is an example of that. The Spurs aren't strong contenders without a bench focal point and another go-to scorer. Going with Patty, Lee or Old Manu just isn't good enough to desire. The upside of having Anderson fulfill his potential is just immense. Like, literally, the Warriors couldn't guard the Spurs if they could run a ______ Leonard, Anderson, Aldridge _________ unit. It's just too big and too skilled, especially if you add in Gasol and Green as the other two players or bring in Bertans or Mills for some shooting.

As of right now, the Spurs would have to hope that BOTH Manu and Tony play at an above-average level for them to be able to beat the Warriors. And given the last two seasons, that's at least as big of a fantasy as hoping Anderson steps up.