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    Just out of curiosity, what sort of judges do you envision President Trump appointing?
    Given the lists that he's circulated to this point, Judges who are rabidly conservative and perfectly willing to engage in their own "judicial activism" to achieve particular political ends.

    I'll admit that my quarrel with them lies largely in fundamental disagreements about the virtues of protecting the individual against the State through the 4th and 5th Amendments, protection of political and other minorities through (particularly) the 5th and 14th Amendments, the limits on the government recognized to date through the Establishment Clause, the value of a robust tort litigation environment in our courts to protect the safety of citizens against the purely economic concerns of business, and (mostly) about what I think is the intentionally expansive nature of Cons utional language to deal with issues that haven't even yet arisen.

    I'd much prefer to see the next President appoint judges and justices in the mold of Steven Breyer or Anthony Kennedy (or, perhaps better yet, David Souter) than in the mold of Antonin Scalia or Clarence Thomas.

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    I feel like this is all prelude to the 2040 Debates between "The Situation" and Peyton Manning.
    Maybe we should start a thread on this.

    Secretary of Bloviating and Fashun. Kanye Kardashian
    Diplomacy and non gender Sensitivity Caitlyn Jender
    Finance Secretary. Some NBA or NFL scrub that is making 2 billion per year.

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    I don't support neither, but I think this debate went how Hillary wanted it to go. Trump looked silly at times and couldn't help himself. Poor effort by his part.

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    I don't see Benghazi (a terrorist attack, with a sloppy White House response) and the emails (a blatant scheme to shield communication, both official and otherwise, from ever seeing the light of day) as similar.
    John Oliver will set you straight about "scandals" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Lfd1aB9YI

    If you want to go after Hillary as neocon-ly loving every "regime change" that came along, including Libya, fine. Her neocon-itude is primarily why I don't support beyond being #NeverTrash.

    But Repugs setting up 8 "Benghazi" committees and wasting $Ms to bring down Hillary is bull harassment for purely political reasons.

    John Oliver points out 10+ other top govt officials who use private communications for govt business,including Karl Rove deleting 20M+ to hide the US Atty crisis. Why aren't the Repugs investigating them? no, they harass ONLY Hillary, and it's PURE BULL .

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    One of the interesting conclusions as to why Trump is doing so well on the fringe left, website online polls, is that the Sanders supporters are starting to distance themselves from Hillary.

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    Trump stepped it in again. He's doubling down on calling that chick miss piggy.

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    she's taking this all the way to election day

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    I am so legitimately nervous about the next 4 years. I have never been one to really think our country could become terrible, but I do think the downside of Trump or HRC is catastrophic.

    It's depressing and I have never been so uninspired.

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    I am so legitimately nervous about the next 4 years. I have never been one to really think our country could become terrible, but I do think the downside of Trump or HRC is catastrophic.

    It's depressing and I have never been so uninspired.
    I'd be much less nervous about a Clinton presidency since a Republican house and possibly senate will act as a check and balance against her. If Trump wins it means the senate probably stays red and you have Republican control of the house, senate, presidency, supreme court (Scalia's replacement and Ginsburg's soon to be replacement), as well as most states. A Trump win would be handing complete control of the nation to a single party. A Clinton presidency and a Republican senate ensure a couple of centrist Supreme Court appointments, a Clinton presidency and a Democratic senate will likely result in a couple of centrist or center-left appointments, while a Trump presidency and a Republican senate ensure two far right appointments.

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    I'd be much less nervous about a Clinton presidency since a Republican house and possibly senate will act as a check and balance against her. If Trump wins it means the senate probably stays red and you have Republican control of the house, senate, presidency, supreme court (Scalia's replacement and Ginsburg's soon to be replacement), as well as most states. A Trump win would be handing complete control of the nation to a single party. A Clinton presidency and a Republican senate ensure a couple of centrist Supreme Court appointments, a Clinton presidency and a Democratic senate will likely result in a couple of centrist or center-left appointments, while a Trump presidency and a Republican senate ensure two far right appointments.
    Largely I would agree with this. My issue is knowing that while Trump must not be allowed to win, HRC appears to be an awful person.

    At a minimum, policies aside, I think it's mandatory to have someone trustworthy with good morals leading our country. I don't believe either of them are good people with high moral standards.

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    I don't support neither, but I think this debate went how Hillary wanted it to go. Trump looked silly at times and couldn't help himself. Poor effort by his part.

    Her camp just pretty much probably drilled in her head composure. You get in the gutter with him and that where he excel's at. He pretty much interrupted her all night where as she didn't much at all.

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    I am so legitimately nervous about the next 4 years. I have never been one to really think our country could become terrible, but I do think the downside of Trump or HRC is catastrophic.

    It's depressing and I have never been so uninspired.
    You nerds need to calm down.

    Where do you get the feeling Clinton would nuke this country? If anything, she's promising more Obama like policies. Trump is going out there saying like we'll hand out nukes to other countries, go into bed with Putin etc etc etc.

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    Largely I would agree with this. My issue is knowing that while Trump must not be allowed to win, HRC appears to be an awful person.

    At a minimum, policies aside, I think it's mandatory to have someone trustworthy with good morals leading our country. I don't believe either of them are good people with high moral standards.
    (shrugs)

    One has actively worked for children's charities, and done pro bono work for same. One used his charity foundation to pay for card-board cutouts of himself, and to pay his own personal legal obligations.

    One was stupid and careless with email. One has a record of stiffing vendors, has been sued thousands of times, and is being sued for outright fraud by people who trusted him with large parts of their personal savings.

    You can't argue the two are somehow equally bad.

    Ask yourself what specifically makes you think Hillary is "awful". Tick down whatever mental list you have. I will be willing to bet that you can't name anything specific. Hillary Clinton has been the running victim of a political propaganda machine for decades. That machine has forced investigation after investigation after investigation attempting to show something that just isn't there. Individually one should be mindful of the charges, and consider them carefully, but after three plus decades, a pattern of the right throwing things at the wall to see if they stick becomes painfully obvious.

    This is what makes me fairly skeptical of "crooked" Hillary tropes.
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    Her camp just pretty much probably drilled in her head composure. You get in the gutter with him and that where he excel's at. He pretty much interrupted her all night where as she didn't much at all.

    My take:

    My policy proposals are outlined in great detail on my website, and here are my positions...
    Me talk good. Dog ate my strategy.

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    Trump stepped it in again. He's doubling down on calling that chick miss piggy.
    For me, his intellectual vacuousness was highlighted by this bit:

    Stop and frisk is [uncons utional and ineffective as a policy]...
    “It went before a judge who was a very against police judge.”

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    I'd be much less nervous about a Clinton presidency since a Republican house and possibly senate will act as a check and balance against her. If Trump wins it means the senate probably stays red and you have Republican control of the house, senate, presidency, supreme court (Scalia's replacement and Ginsburg's soon to be replacement), as well as most states. A Trump win would be handing complete control of the nation to a single party. A Clinton presidency and a Republican senate ensure a couple of centrist Supreme Court appointments, a Clinton presidency and a Democratic senate will likely result in a couple of centrist or center-left appointments, while a Trump presidency and a Republican senate ensure two far right appointments.
    That will, for me, be some delicious irony.
    The wits in the Republican party who have put their party over the good of the country and their cons utional duty, have decided not to approve a fairly conservative, respected judge, will be faced with accepting nominees that will be decidedly less conservative.

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    so you won't even link me to this poster?

    can even be a pm
    Ohh if you want to see the site I am talking about it's punndits.com. And its not just one poster although Nelson is the one who talks about his daughter getting her head chopped off.

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    Ask yourself what specifically makes you think Hillary is "awful". Tick down whatever mental list you have. I will be willing to bet that you can't name anything specific. Hillary Clinton has been the running victim of a political propaganda machine for decades. That machine has forced investigation after investigation after investigation attempting to show something that just isn't there. Individually one should be mindful of the charges, and consider them carefully, but after three plus decades, a pattern of the right throwing things at the wall to see if they stick becomes painfully obvious.
    What makes me think Hillary is awful is I think she'd govern much as her husband did: from the center right, and very lassiez-faire economically to the benefit of their criminal friends on Wall Street. She is also a war hawk. She talks from the left in her speeches and in the debate last night but I'm not buying it, as she has always been pretty center-right before then. Don't get me wrong, she is unquestionably the better candidate in my mind and I'll be voting for her, but I really don't like her.

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    That will, for me, be some delicious irony.
    The wits in the Republican party who have put their party over the good of the country and their cons utional duty, have decided not to approve a fairly conservative, respected judge, will be faced with accepting nominees that will be decidedly less conservative.
    If the Republicans hold the senate with Clinton taking the presidency I imagine Garland will be confirmed. You'll only get a more liberal appointment with a Clinton + Dem senate sweep.

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    Don't get me wrong, she is unquestionably the better candidate in my mind and I'll be voting for her, but I really don't like her.
    sums up my position as well

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    Ohh if you want to see the site I am talking about it's punndits.com. And its not just one poster although Nelson is the one who talks about his daughter getting her head chopped off.
    which one am i? i'm curious

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    What makes me think Hillary is awful is I think she'd govern much as her husband did: from the center right, and very lassiez-faire economically to the benefit of their criminal friends on Wall Street. She is also a war hawk. She talks from the left in her speeches and in the debate last night but I'm not buying it, as she has always been pretty center-right before then. Don't get me wrong, she is unquestionably the better candidate in my mind and I'll be voting for her, but I really don't like her.
    Fair comment all. But note that you can name general policy instances, and generally where she stands on things that you don't agree with, but can you name something specific that could be called "awful"?

    Chumpdumper made a career here pointing out intellectually vacuous positions by asking very simple, pointed questions like that. I learned that if you can't flesh out an idea with something specific, one should rachet up one's skepticism.

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    i was saying during primary season that it was only a matter of time until the same people throwing hillary under the bus will be shilling for her come the generals...

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    Fair comment all. But note that you can name general policy instances, and generally where she stands on things that you don't agree with, but can you name something specific that could be called "awful"?

    Chumpdumper made a career here pointing out intellectually vacuous positions by asking very simple, pointed questions like that. I learned that if you can't flesh out an idea with something specific, one should rachet up one's skepticism.
    We don't know her policy right now and won't until she would actually be governing. Her husband blindly following Greenspan in not regulating cds as insurance was pretty awful, and directly caused the great recession that we still haven't really bounced back from 8 years later.

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