*** Official 2016 Presidential Debate I Thread ***

[BD24]

Dude, stop with this trying to prove others wrong, ok guy? Talk about the topic, ok?

I addressed your statement, why not respond guy?....Well?

[Avante]

I addressed your statement, why not respond guy?....Well?

I;ll go slow...

This thread is about the debate, not you and me ok little guy? So what is your take on the debate?

[RGMCSE]

I am not a big fan of either, tbh. I just don't see how you can say Trump has any other plan than interrupting people.

Im in the same boat actually. I haven't voted in the last 8 years. I already knew what the outcome would be. So this current race actually has something different. Trump touting Reaganomics was a smart plan imho.

[leemajors]

Im in the same boat actually. I haven't voted in the last 8 years. I already knew what the outcome would be. So this current race actually has something different. Trump touting Reaganomics was a smart plan imho.

Didn't Reaganomics triple the national debt?

[RGMCSE]

Didn't Reaganomics triple the national debt?

What has obanomics done?

[boutons_deux]

Didn't Reaganomics triple the national debt?

St Ronnie doubled the national debt, switching American from "tax and spend" to "borrow and spend"

dubya and head tripled it.

"Trump touting Reaganomics was a smart plan imho" St Ronnie, tool of the VRWC, started the VRWC ball rolling. Even his budget guy, Stockman, says if was all a ball. St Ronnie and his two administrations were a gawdawful storm, much of which continues to today.

btw, Repugs had nothing to say in the dubya Reign of Error about national debt that they increased.

The Repug/VRWC deficit/Social Security hawks started squawking only after a Obama was elected.

[RGMCSE]

Again what has Obama done?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Again what has Obama done?

Pros:

-kept the status quo largely intact
-legalized gay marriage
-strengthened USA relations with Cuba
-vetoed the Saudi lawsuit bill
-didn't attack the Syrian government, particularly back in 2013 (which Hillary would have)
-good ambassador for the NBA and basketball in general
-didn't follow through on his threats to close Guantanamo or implement cap-and-trade


Cons:

-Obamacare was a disaster
-Stimulus and skyrocketed the national debt
-Weak against terrorism
-Made race relations and race polarization much worse in USA; increased social segregation
-Increased regulations harmful to investors, particularly in real estate and precious metals
-Let future Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi out of prison in 2009


Neutral:

-fulfilled promise to leave Iraq midway through his time in office; this did, however, help lead to ISIS
-didn't engage much in Israel-Palestine
-vacationed a record proportion of his time in office


I give him a C-.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Obama: C-
Bush II: C
Clinton: C+
Bush I: C+
Reagan: B-
Carter: D
Ford: Incomplete
Nixon: B+ (Watergate notwithstanding)
Johnson: D+
Kennedy: Incomplete
Eisenhower: A-
Truman: A-
FDR: C+

[SpursforSix]

Pros:

-kept the status quo largely intact
-legalized gay marriage
-strengthened USA relations with Cuba
-vetoed the Saudi lawsuit bill
-didn't attack the Syrian government, particularly back in 2013 (which Hillary would have)
-good ambassador for the NBA and basketball in general
-didn't follow through on his threats to close Guantanamo or implement cap-and-trade


Cons:

-Obamacare was a disaster
-Stimulus and skyrocketed the national debt
-Weak against terrorism
-Made race relations and race polarization much worse in USA; increased social segregation
-Increased regulations harmful to investors, particularly in real estate and precious metals
-Let future Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi out of prison in 2009


Neutral:

-fulfilled promise to leave Iraq midway through his time in office; this did, however, help lead to ISIS
-didn't engage much in Israel-Palestine
-vacationed a record proportion of his time in office


I give him a C-.

what about opening the doors to terrorist "refugees"? Is that a pro or con?

[spurraider21]

I'm I the only one that likes Trumps style? Hilary sounds like a career politician. She's condescending and doesn't at all sound like she gives a about Americans. She sounds like she's more worried about the rest of the world. Trump sounds like he actually has a plan to help our own. Hilary should sound like she knows what she's talking about because she's been in it for 30 years. That's not necessarily what I'm looking for.

i feel like somebody running for the most powerful elected office on the planet should know what he/she's talking about tbh

[UNT Eagles 2016]

what about opening the doors to terrorist "refugees"? Is that a pro or con?

Falls under "weak against terrorism"

[SpursforSix]

Falls under "weak against terrorism"

I don't know about that. I think open borders is a different category. Expeshilly if you include the southern border.