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I'm by no means an expert on law enforcement or social justice, but when confronted by an armed police officer it's probably a good idea to obey their commands and not reach for your pockets.
I'd say it's pretty in' far from plausible, chief. Suppose for one second that an army of deaf-mutes is driving around us...wouldn't they also know what not to do in front of a police officer?
I'm by no means an expert on law enforcement or social justice, but when confronted by an armed police officer it's probably a good idea to obey their commands and not reach for your pockets.
That's a still, not a photo. By that I mean that it was part of a sequence that was deliberately isolated for the public to see. For all we know, he pulled out his hand palm up and cradled in his other hand to show that there was something wrong with it (again this is me sort of baselessly assuming he had a type of palsy or something). When the cops kept yelling out him, he lifted both hands so they could get a better look (creating the pose captured in the still), and they shot him.
Who knows what the was going on in that guy's head? He was impaired and in a stressful situation. For all we know, he realized that his hand looked like a gun and thought keeping it in his pocket was the best way to stay safe. After all, how can you shoot people through your pocket?
These are reasons why the video might be more enlightening. Instead, Fabbs used this as an example of misleading news. It's very possible that will be majorly ironic.
No where does it say that the guy reached for his pocket. The hand could've easily been there already. And how often does that western-movie, shoot-a-bunch-of-guys-after-reaching-into-your-pocket thing really happen? That's a serious question. phyzik posted on the NBA Forum some stats implying that police officers are more at risk in these situations than black people are. But how many situations actually start like this and end with two cops dead and the black guy running off?
Listen, I get what you, FWD, and the rest are trying to say...I just think you all are hopelessly naive about law enforcement in this country. The majority of these guys are public school graduates with no college education who are making damn-near Mexican wages--all to put up with s bags on a daily basis. As Henry Swanson and ICB alluded to, I think you have this romanticized view of how all police officers should be (Mensa intelligence, SEAL team decision-making, delta force accuracy, etc). We probably have a lot of SVU and NCIS fans here, imo.
It's an imperfect system, and like any other group of people there's some s bags among them. Still, I don't know what you're hoping to get with $35K/yr and a limited education. Perhaps liberals should be less gung-ho about taking care of Starbucks baristas and Mickey D's frycooks, and more interested in improving the wages (and subsequently, the vetting process) of police officers. The higher the pay, the more compe ive the selection process, which equals more qualified candidates, right?
All that aside, just don't be a jack-ass when you get pulled over. Do what they say for the 10-15 minutes you have to deal with them, then be on your way.
If this guy's just an unfortunate deaf-mute with cerebral palsy, then I sincerely apologize.
He shouldn't be ing driving.
There's "non-compliance," and then there's pointing your gun at a cop. Or reaching for a cop's gun in an attempt to steal it and shoot them with it, for that matter. The stream of excuses spewed by Democrat politicians, left-wing political agitators, and the media have emboldened criminals to keep turning routine stops into kill-or-be-killed situations for police officers. Thus, more high-profile shootings involving police occur, generating more racial tension, more riots, and more ratings and pageviews for media outlets.
To be fair, policing is one of those jobs that will probably never attract the best and brightest, no matter how much money is pumped into it. There's the physical risk of death, the social risk to your reputation that comes from actually doing your job in today's world, having to deal with the s of the Earth, and it doesn't seem like the most intellectually stimulating job to begin with. It takes a certain personality type to want that kind of job. Not saying it's a bad thing, it's just the truth.
While this is true, it depends where you live, tbh..
Canadian police, for example, are extremely well-paid..IIRC, 80% of uniformed Toronto police officers made more than 100k in 2016..considering the relatively low crime rate, salary, benefits and pension, it's a cushy job..
There's a difference between how the police should act and how people should assume the police will react. I'll give that to you. In fact, I was saying that much in the Brown and Martin threads to the ire of the SJWs. But that never takes the burden off the system to have more competent officers, whether that takes money or just better diligence. A poorly paid, uneducated murderer is still a murderer.
Obviously, I'm not for assuming people are murderers off the bat. I believe there should always be an assumption of innocence and all that. I'm just saying that if these people are guilty, and the system made them vulnerable to doing this, then that's all the more reason to protest. And even with that, BLM and just people in general need to push toward spreading awareness about being safe around cops. People need to be taught to speak clearly and to not make sudden moves, to record everything but to cooperate, even if it doesn't seem necessary within a rights framework. Being a martyr still makes you dead.
I think we all know it's an imperfect system and that there are victims of that on both sides. Only way that gets better is to make a stink about it.
Same San Diego cops showed a lot of patience and restraint here
Cherry picking imo. Find a video of a black guy getting killed and then pair it with one of a white guy not getting killed.
I will say all the cops I've known were assholes. An asshole with a gun, not good.
What makes me skeptical about so many of these cases is the behavior of the victims.
Sorry, but cops in that situation don't have time to go through a long list of "what if's".
Of course that do, especially when they were called by someone asking to help their brother or encounter a person with their car stopped on the highway. Cops shouldn't be looking for reasons not to kill people.
Hundreds of protesters gathered and marched in El Cajon Wednesday, demanding*that*police release a video of*an officer who opened fire and killed*an unarmed, reportedly mentally ill black man who nevertheless raised his hands as if holding a gun.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...928-story.html
The man reportedly acting erratically at a strip mall in El Cajon was shot and killed by police after pulling an object from his pocket.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...928-story.html
Both separate links are from the San Diego Union Tribune.
Last edited by Fabbs; 09-28-2016 at 05:10 PM.
Hopefully the video gets released to the public.
I'm not laughing at his disability.
Rather that cops need to have this added to the list of things to discern in 0.000000002 seconds.
Agree anytime a 911 call mentions mental, some kind of mental health team should be dispatched.
Taxes we pay in California there is no damn reason not to have a well educated well paid staff.
But I know that ain't how the world, and especially governments work.
dispatch a mental health team?
just introduce the nutcase to dr. glock.
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Last edited by DPG21920; 09-28-2016 at 08:33 PM.
San Diego news now reporting a number of the protestors are not even locals but "professional protestors".
professional protestors.
Is proffesional protestor something you can put on a resume?
LA Times reporting he was a head cook at a Hooters restaurant.
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