2016-17 Training Camp Thread

[SAGirl]

I was typing with Jack Sparrow's voice, by the by...

I like you Mr. Tonight! I exactly pictured Jack Sparrow!
Damn I am happy this season is starting!

[Dex]

Jesus, David Lee wearing a Spurs uniform

If he can be the player he was for Dallas last season, I'll take DLee over DWest...especially DWest in the playoffs.

[Brazil]

Excited to see Kyle Anderson at the 4, tbh, it's probably his optimal position IMO..he had a pretty decent RS with some stretches that displayed nice flashes of basketball..unfortunately, he was a disaster in the playoffs..

His defense has progressed far better than his offense, so far..to be fair, his style of play is difficult to master as the potential point-forward mismatch..

Yes the 4 is definitely the best position for him

[T Park]

If he can be the player he was for Dallas last season, I'll take DLee over DWest...especially DWest in the playoffs.

Yeah Lee for Dallas last year was still pretty serviceable.

Spurstalk once again delving into "if he isn't a 10-10 guy for the minimum he's trash" level of opinions.

[Chinook]

How has Simmons been babied or coddled? He got left out of the rotation even though he produced more than Kyle while he was on it. He's had to go to Austin. He's had to wear suits on game day.

Kyle was the one STILL getting minutes all the way up to game 7 against OKC even though he averaged 2.3ppg, 2.4rpg, 0.7apg on 32FG% and 33% from three oh, and a 7.7 PER

Those are called mandatory minutes. Not earned.

Pop sent Simmons 7 times to the toros sometimes for 24 hours last year they both saw some DNPs some games at 15 mn the game after at 5... Then Simmons is much older, he probably does not need to be yelled at, he is a hard worker who made it to the NBA the hard way. I'm sorry he does not strike me as a guy lacking of confidence needing being babied especially considering his personnal experience. He is not entering in the league young as full of himself need to be humbled, he has already been humbled or a guy who needs to be yelled at to get the best out of him. This is quite different of being coddled.

Just another random popcorn idea throwing out there to see if it sticks... I guess

You guys both mentioned send-downs like those are actual evidence of not being coddled. Since when is giving a guy more experience being "hard" on them? It's not. That's just a silly diversion. Simmons sits because he's not better than the guys out there, not because Pop is trying to teach him something.

As far as what being coddled actually looks like, you guys should both know. Simmons has only been a Spur for like 15 months, and that should easily been in your memories. So you should recall how Simmons kept having to be convinced to stay in the d-league (wanted to quit basketball because he wasn't "good enough), how he didn't play well with the Toros until they decided to give him the ball and make it his team. How he sucked in the summer league until the Spurs gave him a guaranteed deal. How he was bad in the preseason and caused Pop to go out of his way to talk about how well Simmons had been in practice. How he didn't start playing better until Jimmer was cut and his spot was safe. How he was brimming with confidence until Curry took his cookie, after which he had his tail between his legs for multiple games. How the Spurs had to guarantee his deal randomly early before he played in summer league this year (to be fair, I don't know if it was a coincidence, but it was a weird step if so). How even now, Pop is pumping him up even though he's almost sure to be the 11th man starting out (thinking Lee, then Simmons, then Bertans for the 10th spot).

And none of that touches on Pop not going at Simmons after a mistake like he has with Anderson and obviously Green, or how Simmons was never pulled after a bad play (usually means that the coach doesn't want the player to leave on a bad note). The way Pop talks, you'd think Jonathon wasn't slated to be out of the rotation, but he seems to be or if not, he'd be in that flex position. You'd think he'd have non-garbage minutes last post-season. But no. For all the praise he's gotten (more than anyone who isn't the Big Three, Kawhi and probably LMA), he wasn't even given consistent minutes. And that's because he's not nearly as good as Pop led people like Van Gundy to believe. And I'd bet he and most of us on this board know that.

Yeah... I don't get that at all. Is this some new meme trying to break out? Pop does what he deems necessary for each player in their respective situations. If he feels like he needs to bust a jaw, he does it. To any of them.
How many times have we heard over the years of Pop chewing out Duncan in front of everybody so they all know they aren't safe if Timmy isn't?

Nobody is being coddled, imo.

You're making my point for me. Pop does what he thinks the player needs. He's coddling Simmons because he thinks he needs to be coddled. And given Simmons' history, I think that too. And I don't like that one bit. Jonathon seems like a good dude, and he can make some good plays. But for some reason, he can't handle adversity in basketball well at all. And at 27, it doesn't make a ton of sense to believe he's going to figure that out.

[tonight...you]

You guys both mentioned send-downs like those are actual evidence of not being coddled. Since when is giving a guy more experience being "hard" on them? It's not. That's just a silly diversion. Simmons sits because he's not better than the guys out there, not because Pop is trying to teach him something.

As far as what being coddled actually looks like, you guys should both know. Simmons has only been a Spur for like 15 months, and that should easily been in your memories. So you should recall how Simmons kept having to be convinced to stay in the d-league (wanted to quit basketball because he wasn't "good enough), how he didn't play well with the Toros until they decided to give him the ball and make it his team. How he sucked in the summer league until the Spurs gave him a guaranteed deal. How he was bad in the preseason and caused Pop to go out of his way to talk about how well Simmons had been in practice. How he didn't start playing better until Jimmer was cut and his spot was safe. How he was brimming with confidence until Curry took his cookie, after which he had his tail between his legs for multiple games. How the Spurs had to guarantee his deal randomly early before he played in summer league this year (to be fair, I don't know if it was a coincidence, but it was a weird step if so). How even now, Pop is pumping him up even though he's almost sure to be the 11th man starting out (thinking Lee, then Simmons, then Bertans for the 10th spot).

And none of that touches on Pop not going at Simmons after a mistake like he has with Anderson and obviously Green, or how Simmons was never pulled after a bad play (usually means that the coach doesn't want the player to leave on a bad note). The way Pop talks, you'd think Jonathon wasn't slated to be out of the rotation, but he seems to be or if not, he'd be in that flex position. You'd think he'd have non-garbage minutes last post-season. But no. For all the praise he's gotten (more than anyone who isn't the Big Three, Kawhi and probably LMA), he wasn't even given consistent minutes. And that's because he's not nearly as good as Pop led people like Van Gundy to believe. And I'd bet he and most of us on this board know that.



You're making my point for me. Pop does what he thinks the player needs. He's coddling Simmons because he thinks he needs to be coddled. And given Simmons' history, I think that too. And I don't like that one bit. Jonathon seems like a good dude, and he can make some good plays. But for some reason, he can't handle adversity in basketball well at all. And at 27, it doesn't make a ton of sense to believe he's going to figure that out.

So you're saying Pop is being overprotective of Simmons, in short. Correct?

[dabom]

You know you're right when one of the most incorrect posters says you're wrong or hater too.

[Chinook]

So you're saying Pop is being overprotective of Simmons, in short. Correct?

I think he knows that coddling him is what he needs to be productive, just like beating the out of Green is the best way to keep Danny focused.

[dabom]

You know you're right when one of the most incorrect posters says you're wrong or hater too.

[tonight...you]

I think he knows that coddling him is what he needs to be productive, just like beating the out of Green is the best way to keep Danny focused.

So... Is that a yes? Pop is being overprotective of Simmons? Just one word will suffice, bud.

[Chinook]

So... Is that a yes? Pop is being overprotective of Simmons? Just one word will suffice, bud.

No, it won't. He's being as protective as he needs to be for Simmons to play well, but more protective than he should have to be to a scrub. I'll answer in one word when it makes sense to do so.

[tonight...you]

No, it won't. He's being as protective as he needs to be for Simmons to play well, but more protective than he should have to be to a scrub. I'll answer in one word when it makes sense to do so.

No you don't. Many times you are too effusive and your point gets washed out. Something you should be recognizing about yourself.
Not that that's a terrible thing and I think you are a good poster here, comparatively speaking, but you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.

So he's not being coddled. He's being coached. Got it. Now stop using that word incorrectly.

[TimDunkem]

No you don't. Many times you are too effusive and your point gets washed out. Something you should be recognizing about yourself.
Not that that's a terrible thing and I think you are a good poster here, comparatively speaking, but you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.

So he's not being coddled. He's being coached. Got it. Now stop using that word incorrectly.

Thank you.

[apalisoc_9]

Simmons?

ing ewww..Groce.

[Chinook]

No you don't. Many times you are too effusive and your point gets washed out. Something you should be recognizing about yourself.
Not that that's a terrible thing and I think you are a good poster here, comparatively speaking, but you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.

So he's not being coddled. He's being coached. Got it. Now stop using that word incorrectly.

that. I'll use whatever words I want, same as you.

Full Definition of coddle
coddledcoddling play \ˈkäd-liŋ, ˈkä-dəl-iŋ\
transitive verb
1
: to cook (as eggs) in liquid slowly and gently just below the boiling point
2
: to treat with extreme or excessive care or kindness

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coddle

You learn what a word means before you go on ing at other people about what they do. I don't give a if you like Simmons. I didn't quote you trying to tell you what you really think. To each their own. Only time will bear out who's right.

[Chinook]

Thank you.

I don't want to read what you write, but I do want to tell you that I don't want to read it, because that makes sense.

[dabom]

that. I'll use whatever words I want, same as you.

Full Definition of coddle
coddledcoddling play \ˈkäd-liŋ, ˈkä-dəl-iŋ\
transitive verb
1
: to cook (as eggs) in liquid slowly and gently just below the boiling point
2
: to treat with extreme or excessive care or kindness

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coddle

You learn what a word means before you go on ing at other people about what they do. I don't give a if you like Simmons. I didn't quote you trying to tell you what you really think. To each their own. Only time will bear out who's right.

Where in the ing do I see Simmons being treated with EXTREME kindness.

You don't know .

[SAGirl]

As far as what being coddled actually looks like, you guys should both know. Simmons has only been a Spur for like 15 months, and that should easily been in your memories. So you should recall how Simmons kept having to be convinced to stay in the d-league (wanted to quit basketball because he wasn't "good enough), how he didn't play well with the Toros until they decided to give him the ball and make it his team. How he sucked in the summer league until the Spurs gave him a guaranteed deal. How he was bad in the preseason and caused Pop to go out of his way to talk about how well Simmons had been in practice. How he didn't start playing better until Jimmer was cut and his spot was safe. How he was brimming with confidence until Curry took his cookie, after which he had his tail between his legs for multiple games. How the Spurs had to guarantee his deal randomly early before he played in summer league this year (to be fair, I don't know if it was a coincidence, but it was a weird step if so). How even now, Pop is pumping him up even though he's almost sure to be the 11th man starting out (thinking Lee, then Simmons, then Bertans for the 10th spot).

And none of that touches on Pop not going at Simmons after a mistake like he has with Anderson and obviously Green, or how Simmons was never pulled after a bad play (usually means that the coach doesn't want the player to leave on a bad note). The way Pop talks, you'd think Jonathon wasn't slated to be out of the rotation, but he seems to be or if not, he'd be in that flex position. You'd think he'd have non-garbage minutes last post-season. But no. For all the praise he's gotten (more than anyone who isn't the Big Three, Kawhi and probably LMA), he wasn't even given consistent minutes. And that's because he's not nearly as good as Pop led people like Van Gundy to believe. And I'd bet he and most of us on this board know that.

You're making my point for me. Pop does what he thinks the player needs. He's coddling Simmons because he thinks he needs to be coddled. And given Simmons' history, I think that too. And I don't like that one bit. Jonathon seems like a good dude, and he can make some good plays. But for some reason, he can't handle adversity in basketball well at all. And at 27, it doesn't make a ton of sense to believe he's going to figure that out.

I agree 100%. When you first said this way back, I wasn't as aware, but have since then observed the situation and it's true. It's possible he's had confidence issues and having a different path to the NBA has required Pop to be unusually mild when he would otherwise have been scalding. Simmons could have his confidence destroyed, he's that fragile. Kyle wants the coach to be tough on him. He's stated that, but also he's shown it with his actions. When he's made mistakes he still looks at Pop and acknowledges it, at times he was expecting to get pulled in fact. Even Sean was saying Kyle had to stop that, but having that approach allowed him to make improvements all through the season and I don't think he's complacent at this point either. He should aim to be even better than he was last season.

We shall see with Simmons. I don't have some beef with him. I wish him the best, and hope that he has indeed become more solid. Pop obviously likes him and they have protected his ego. I suppose like Mr. tonight...you, who said he's getting the coaching he needs to progress, they are pushing him gently along, while propping him up, and hopefully it pays off for Pop. He's indeed savvy and knows how to get the best out of everyone. We shall see.

[TimDunkem]

I don't want to read what you write, but I do want to tell you that I don't want to read it, because that makes sense.

Gotcha', windbag.

[Brazil]

No you don't. Many times you are too effusive and your point gets washed out. Something you should be recognizing about yourself.
Not that that's a terrible thing and I think you are a good poster here, comparatively speaking, but you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.

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[dabom]

No you don't. Many times you are too effusive and your point gets washed out. Something you should be recognizing about yourself.
Not that that's a terrible thing and I think you are a good poster here, comparatively speaking, but you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.

So he's not being coddled. He's being coached. Got it. Now stop using that word incorrectly.

Thank you.

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Smart people get their point across effectively. Paragraphs of doesn't make your point better.

[Chinook]

Gotcha', windbag.

For once, I'm speechless.

[tonight...you]

that. I'll use whatever words I want, same as you.

Full Definition of coddle
coddledcoddling play \ˈkäd-liŋ, ˈkä-dəl-iŋ\
transitive verb
1
: to cook (as eggs) in liquid slowly and gently just below the boiling point
2
: to treat with extreme or excessive care or kindness

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coddle

You learn what a word means before you go on ing at other people about what they do. I don't give a if you like Simmons. I didn't quote you trying to tell you what you really think. To each their own. Only time will bear out who's right.

I don't care about Simmons. No need to make assumptions. I asked you a simple question, because it seemed you were being extreme using the word "coddled" over and over again. I don't see it. I just don't see it. I don't see Pop being overly protective of this guy and I don't think it would fly too well in a locker room that Pop holds even Duncan accountable for mistakes.

It's cool, my man. You do still get too wordy a lot. Not a dig, just a truth. You also cannot tell me I don't know what a word means when I'm using it correctly. That's kind of... dumb.

[dabom]

sagirl and chinook are 2 of the lowest IQ people I know on this forums. They also write the most. Trying to make up for their something.

It's the lack of content.

[Chinook]

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How the does that end the thread? It's the general training camp thread, where I'm not the OP. Why would we all stop posting here because tonight...you thinks I write too much?