2016-17 Training Camp Thread

[dabom]

I don't care about Simmons. No need to make assumptions. I asked you a simple question, because it seemed you were being extreme using the word "coddled" over and over again. I don't see it. I just don't see it. I don't see Pop being overly protective of this guy and I don't think it would fly too well in a locker room that Pop holds even Duncan accountable for mistakes.

It's cool, my man. You do still get too wordy a lot. Not a dig, just a truth. You also cannot tell me I don't know what a word means when I'm using it correctly. That's kind of... dumb.

[tbdog]

No Prob

Re: Lee, I think he and Anderson could fit well together and run the P&R nicely. It'll be interesting to see how these guys do in camp though. Can't wait to watch it all play out

TBH, teams would just switch on the pick. I don't see how Kyle could blow past bigman, or Lee overpowering larger sf's.

[Chinook]

I don't care about Simmons. No need to make assumptions. I asked you a simple question, because it seemed you were being extreme using the word "coddled" over and over again. I don't see it. I just don't see it. I don't see Pop being overly protective of this guy and I don't think it would fly too well in a locker room that Pop holds even Duncan accountable for mistakes.

It's cool, my man. You do still get too wordy a lot. Not a dig, just a truth. You also cannot tell me I don't know what a word means when I'm using it correctly. That's kind of... dumb.

Of course I can. You are making it seem like I don't know what coddled means, and it's clear that I used it correctly. You disagree and instead wanted me to answer a question in your own words. If you had asked, "Do you wish Pop didn't protect Simmons as much?" I'd say yes. If you asked "Do you think that Simmons would be better off is Pop didn't protect him as much?" I'd say no. I don't mind answering simple questions, but the one you asked explained my main reason for not having faith in him. I could've been a and just said "Yes and no" or "Neither". Instead, I write literally one sentence, and that's not good enough for you.

You've never been a bad poster, but you're seriously on a bad train here. If you don't like how I post, just ignore me. I'm not going to change to make myself more digestible by you or anyone else, and I don't ask others to do that. That's some major high-horse .

[tonight...you]

I agree 100%. When you first said this way back, I wasn't as aware, but have since then observed the situation and it's true. It's possible he's had confidence issues and having a different path to the NBA has required Pop to be unusually mild when he would otherwise have been scalding. Simmons could have his confidence destroyed, he's that fragile. Kyle wants the coach to be tough on him. He's stated that, but also he's shown it with his actions. When he's made mistakes he still looks at Pop and acknowledges it, at times he was expecting to get pulled in fact. Even Sean was saying Kyle had to stop that, but having that approach allowed him to make improvements all through the season and I don't think he's complacent at this point either. He should aim to be even better than he was last season.

We shall see with Simmons. I don't have some beef with him. I wish him the best, and hope that he has indeed become more solid. Pop obviously likes him and they have protected his ego. I suppose like Mr. tonight...you, who said he's getting the coaching he needs to progress, they are pushing him gently along, while propping him up, and hopefully it pays off for Pop. He's indeed savvy and knows how to get the best out of everyone. We shall see.

Lol... now you're just getting too much mileage out of that! I'm charging rent!

[tonight...you]

Of course I can. You are making it seem like I don't know what coddled means, and it's clear that I used it correctly. You disagree and instead wanted me to answer a question in your own words. If you had asked, "Do you wish Pop didn't protect Simmons as much?" I'd say yes. If you asked "Do you think that Simmons would be better off is Pop didn't protect him as much?" I'd say no. I don't mind answering simple questions, but the one you asked explained my main reason for not having faith in him. I could've been a and just said "Yes and no" or "Neither". Instead, I write literally one sentence, and that's not good enough for you.

You've never been a bad poster, but you're seriously on a bad train here. If you don't like how I post, just ignore me. I'm not going to change to make myself more digestible by you or anyone else, and I don't ask others to do that. That's some major high-horse .

No... it's just not coddling.

[gambit1990]

you sure do like to use 20 words when 3 will do better.

[Chinook]

No... it's just not coddling.

Of course it is.

[SAGirl]

Lol... now you're just getting too much mileage out of that! I'm charging rent!

I had to. Still in a good mood.

[tonight...you]

I had to. Still in a good mood.

[Brazil]

You guys both mentioned send-downs like those are actual evidence of not being coddled. Since when is giving a guy more experience being "hard" on them? It's not. That's just a silly diversion. Simmons sits because he's not better than the guys out there, not because Pop is trying to teach him something.

As far as what being coddled actually looks like, you guys should both know. Simmons has only been a Spur for like 15 months, and that should easily been in your memories. So you should recall how Simmons kept having to be convinced to stay in the d-league (wanted to quit basketball because he wasn't "good enough), how he didn't play well with the Toros until they decided to give him the ball and make it his team. How he sucked in the summer league until the Spurs gave him a guaranteed deal. How he was bad in the preseason and caused Pop to go out of his way to talk about how well Simmons had been in practice. How he didn't start playing better until Jimmer was cut and his spot was safe. How he was brimming with confidence until Curry took his cookie, after which he had his tail between his legs for multiple games. How the Spurs had to guarantee his deal randomly early before he played in summer league this year (to be fair, I don't know if it was a coincidence, but it was a weird step if so). How even now, Pop is pumping him up even though he's almost sure to be the 11th man starting out (thinking Lee, then Simmons, then Bertans for the 10th spot).

And none of that touches on Pop not going at Simmons after a mistake like he has with Anderson and obviously Green, or how Simmons was never pulled after a bad play (usually means that the coach doesn't want the player to leave on a bad note). The way Pop talks, you'd think Jonathon wasn't slated to be out of the rotation, but he seems to be or if not, he'd be in that flex position. You'd think he'd have non-garbage minutes last post-season. But no. For all the praise he's gotten (more than anyone who isn't the Big Three, Kawhi and probably LMA), he wasn't even given consistent minutes. And that's because he's not nearly as good as Pop led people like Van Gundy to believe. And I'd bet he and most of us on this board know that.



You're making my point for me. Pop does what he thinks the player needs. He's coddling Simmons because he thinks he needs to be coddled. And given Simmons' history, I think that too. And I don't like that one bit. Jonathon seems like a good dude, and he can make some good plays. But for some reason, he can't handle adversity in basketball well at all. And at 27, it doesn't make a ton of sense to believe he's going to figure that out.

You mentionned he was coddled without even explaining why... so yeah we tried to guess what made you believe dude has been coddled thus Austin. BTW you contradict yourself, so dude is being babied but when he plays like crap he is taking out of the game or send to the toros sometimes for 24 hours... how is that being babied...

Then the contradictions go on... he sucks untill Spurs decide to give him the ball exactly like Kyle Anderson according to yourself. So in Simmons case he is coddled and Anderson is tough ? reading you Spurs gave him a deal because he is being a favorite of Pop or something ? what are you implying ? he did not deserve his deal and this is an example of being coddled ? ok.... Simmons was never pulled after a bad play ? sure bro... but then you say just below he wasn't even given consistent minutes ? pick a side bra

But I guess your point is that Pop praises him in the media... yup it is maybe just because he likes him and that's why he gave him a deal...

Now you want me to throw stuff like and see if it sticks ? look then and tell me if I'm on the right direction.

He did not praise that much your boy because you know maybe he does not know what to think about him and how use him... this is exactly what he said btw. And being a very difficult player to play is not really positive, so yeah message is I don't know how but I need to give him minutes because you know I have no choice. Here we go I've no clue but yeah that's a theory, Pop thinks kyle sucks, he does not know what to do with him, his plays drive him nuts BUT as he has no depth he will need to find a way to give him minutes without being nuisible. As plausible as your Simmons is babied

[Brazil]

How the does that end the thread? It's the general training camp thread, where I'm not the OP. Why would we all stop posting here because tonight...you thinks I write too much?

I used /thread for 2 reasons:

1- because my nigg' tonite nailed it in one sentence
and 2- for reference as the Thread of upstairs that he just obliterated a couple of hours ago

so yeah I thought it fitted well there

[tbdog]

I don't believe he can, this year even if he wanted to, due to retirement rules, but I could be wrong.

Due to waiving rules, not retirement rules. TD can play this season for another team, but he cannot play for the Spurs this season because he was waived by them.

[TimDunkem]

For once, I'm speechless.

Yet you still had to say something.

Just Ol' Chinook being the windbag that he is.

[tonight...you]

I used /thread for 2 reasons:

1- because my nigg' tonite nailed it in one sentence
and 2- for reference as the Thread of upstairs that he just obliterated a couple of hours ago

so yeah I thought it fitted well there

I was wondering if that was what you were doing there... Nice one! Poor Thread is still drooling in a cup as we type.

[tonight...you]

Due to waiving rules, not retirement rules. TD can play this season for another team, but he cannot play for the Spurs this season because he was waived by them.

Thanks bud. That's good to know.

[Brazil]

I was wondering if that was what you were doing there... Nice one! Poor Thread is still drooling in a cup as we type.

... poor Thread, dude is old you know, take it easy with him

[gambit1990]

Due to waiving rules, not retirement rules. TD can play this season for another team, but he cannot play for the Spurs this season because he was waived by them.

that's exactly what i thought and posted in the summer... and chinook said he could still play for the spurs this season so matter of factly

[Chinook]

You mentionned he was coddled without even explaining why... so yeah we tried to guess what made you believe dude has been coddled thus Austin. BTW you contradict yourself, so dude is being babied but when he plays like crap he is taking out of the game or send to the toros sometimes for 24 hours... how is that being babied...

Specifically said the opposite:

And none of that touches on Pop not going at Simmons after a mistake like he has with Anderson and obviously Green, or how Simmons was never pulled after a bad play (usually means that the coach doesn't want the player to leave on a bad note).

Then the contradictions go on... he sucks untill Spurs decide to give him the ball exactly like Kyle Anderson according to yourself. So in Simmons case he is coddled and Anderson is tough ? reading you Spurs gave him a deal because he is being a favorite of Pop or something ? what are you implying ? he did not deserve his deal and this is an example of being coddled ? ok.... Simmons was never pulled after a bad play ? sure bro... but then you say just below he wasn't even given consistent minutes ? pick a side bra

Actually said when he was a Toro:

As far as what being coddled actually looks like, you guys should both know. Simmons has only been a Spur for like 15 months, and that should easily been in your memories. So you should recall how Simmons kept having to be convinced to stay in the d-league (wanted to quit basketball because he wasn't "good enough), how he didn't play well with the Toros until they decided to give him the ball and make it his team.

But I guess your point is that Pop praises him in the media... yup it is maybe just because he likes him and that's why he gave him a deal...

Yeah, that ignores the sucking before the praise part. Pop likes all of his players. They wouldn't be Spurs if he didn't. That doesn't mean he's constantly effusive about every deep-bench player.

Now you want me to throw stuff like and see if it sticks ? look then and tell me if I'm on the right direction.

Couldn't care less, honestly.

He did not praise that much your boy because you know maybe he does not know what to think about him and how use him... this is exactly what he said btw.

Do you mean Anderson or Green or Tony in this case?

And being a very difficult player to play is not really positive, so yeah message is I don't know how but I need to give him minutes because you know I have no choice. Here we go I've no clue but yeah that's a theory, Pop thinks kyle sucks, he does not know what to do with him, his plays drive him nuts BUT as he has no depth he will need to find a way to give him minutes without being nuisible. As plausible as your Simmons is babied

Oh, so you mean Kyle. Well anyway, that's plausible, but it's not probable. If that were the case, the Spurs would've drafted someone else or signed someone else to be ahead of him. You know, how you thought they were doing with Martin. But as we all know, that didn't work out. With Simmons they clearly did bring in other guys who look to either be in the rotation ahead of him or compete strongly with him for time.

[Chinook]

Yet you still had to say something.

Just Ol' Chinook being the windbag that he is.

Nice to see you making those 2200 posts count. Definitely an example of how posting less makes each post more impactful.

[Chinook]

I used /thread for 2 reasons:

1- because my nigg' tonite nailed it in one sentence
and 2- for reference as the Thread of upstairs that he just obliterated a couple of hours ago

so yeah I thought it fitted well there

1-I didn't know the point of this thread was about me learning I post too much. Pretty sure I heard plenty of that when I started posting four years ago.
2-Do you mean Culbby?

[Chinook]

Due to waiving rules, not retirement rules. TD can play this season for another team, but he cannot play for the Spurs this season because he was waived by them.

That's not a rule at all. Normally, you can totally re-sign players you waive. It's only a question because the Spurs stretched him and thus could be accused of cheating the cap by re-signing him.

[dabom]

that's exactly what i thought and posted in the summer... and chinook said he could still play for the spurs this season so matter of factly

The guy much like his female persona never think they're wrong.

[tonight...you]

1-I didn't know the point of this thread was about me learning I post too much. Pretty sure I heard plenty of that when I started posting four years ago.
2-Do you mean Culbby?

I never said you post too much. Get your straight man.

[Chinook]

I never said you post too much. Get your straight man.

I'm not nearly as keen on semantics as you seem to be.

[bklynspursfan]

TBH, teams would just switch on the pick. I don't see how Kyle could blow past bigman, or Lee overpowering larger sf's.

Fair point, but I guess I feel Lee could probably do damage against most 3s coming off the bench or whatever for opposing teams. He's not like Diaw was in the post, but he's someone who was also pretty crafty with the ball