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    Excited about that tweet about Murray. Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!
    First of all bc they don't know how much Austin he needs, so I think he's looking better than we thought.
    Second bc him having impact defensively means he could get minutes through the season and help out even if he's low usage bc his shot still needs work. I could totally see him push J.Simms out if he's having good impact defensively this early. I can totally picture him stealing the ball from JSimms in fact.

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    Murray already a better defender than Parker

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    Excited about that tweet about Murray. Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!
    First of all bc they don't know how much Austin he needs, so I think he's looking better than we thought.
    Second bc him having impact defensively means he could get minutes through the season and help out even if he's low usage bc his shot still needs work. I could totally see him push J.Simms out if he's having good impact defensively this early. I can totally picture him stealing the ball from JSimms in fact.
    Wouldn't bug me even a bit. Go get 'em, kid!

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    That is true, though. Simmons is extremely coddled. No way would he survive the Green treatment. Anderson doesn't get the Green got, but he's still not nearly as babied.
    In what way? Simms got bounced back to the D-League, we just learned he was basically told in the off season to clean up his game (or else). That's far from coddled and a lot closer to the Green treatment.

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    Jesus, David Lee wearing a Spurs uniform
    If I go by the interview today, he's a changed man, tbh... he looks desperate for another deal, tbh, he might actually put forth some effort now...

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    In what way? Simms got bounced back to the D-League, we just learned he was basically told in the off season to clean up his game (or else). That's far from coddled and a lot closer to the Green treatment.
    You're the third person who's asserted that being sent to Austin is some form of tough love. I don't buy that at all. It gets you more playing time and a bigger role without losing money. As far as giving him stuff to work on, they do that with every player. Anderson had his stuff, as did the rest of the summer-leaguers. Kawhi and Cory had their things as well. I'm sure even vets have them. I never got the ultimatum in his words, especially because the Spurs announce he was guaranteed before the SL even started. If anything, that's evidence of being "coddled" rather than the other way around.

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    You're the third person who's asserted that being sent to Austin is some form of tough love. I don't buy that at all. It gets you more playing time and a bigger role without losing money. As far as giving him stuff to work on, they do that with every player. Anderson had his stuff, as did the rest of the summer-leaguers. Kawhi and Cory had their things as well. I'm sure even vets have them. I never got the ultimatum in his words, especially because the Spurs announce he was guaranteed before the SL even started. If anything, that's evidence of being "coddled" rather than the other way around.

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    “He told me I need to talk more on defense,” center Dewayne Dedmon said. “I’ll be doing that next time.”
    That's great

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    You're the third person who's asserted that being sent to Austin is some form of tough love. I don't buy that at all. It gets you more playing time and a bigger role without losing money. As far as giving him stuff to work on, they do that with every player. Anderson had his stuff, as did the rest of the summer-leaguers. Kawhi and Cory had their things as well. I'm sure even vets have them. I never got the ultimatum in his words, especially because the Spurs announce he was guaranteed before the SL even started. If anything, that's evidence of being "coddled" rather than the other way around.
    I don't know if "tough love" is how I would describe it, more like he needed to play minutes and he didn't earn them in the main team. Now, "coddled" to me is still giving him minutes in the main team when he didn't earn them, not actually sending him literally to the bottom of the barrel.

    You don't have to buy it, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. As far as professional NBA players go, the distance from the D-League to being a starter getting consistent minutes in a rotation is basically the distance from the bottom to the top. He was sent to the bottom repeatedly, the next step was getting cut.

    I do certainly think this season is make or break for Simms, and even more so than Kyle. The Spurs, however, are in a conundrum in how the roster has been built so far. There really isn't a natural SG replacement on the team. They don't appear to have enough money to add one (outside another KMart-style picking). Garino is probably the closest they have, but can only give you the defense, and I think the bench will need more scoring. So tough situation all around.

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    I guess another alternative would be to bring up Murray or Lapro to play backup PG and let manu play backup SG... perhaps that's some of the thinking in loading up with backup PGs. But Manu won't play many minutes.

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    If I go by the interview today, he's a changed man, tbh... he looks desperate for another deal, tbh, he might actually put forth some effort now...
    He's a 33-year old White American player in 2016

    A frontcourt of Aldridge/Gasol/Lee might be the softest trio we'll ever see in the NBA playoffs, tbh..Spurs might have to install a tampon dispenser in the locker room..

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    He's a 33-year old White American player in 2016
    I know, but his role will be limited and off the bench. The only question is if he got some humbling in Dallas and understands he can't take for granted anymore.

    Ultimately, if Kyle does end up playing the 4, we might not need him much at all as long as Dedmon can give us some hustle play.

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    He's a 33-year old White American player in 2016

    A frontcourt of Aldridge/Gasol/Lee might be the softest trio we'll ever see in the NBA playoffs, tbh..Spurs might have to install a tampon dispenser in the locker room..
    And a condom dispenser in the visitor's. I doubt it will get used much... lots of guys just like it raw.

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    From those pics. Parker, Green, LMA, Gasol are on team black. Mills, Simmons, Manu, Leonard, Dedmon are on team white. Now we know Leonard will be a starter, but I am pretty sure this means Parker will continue to start over Mills.
    My guess, they were testing different backup SF candidates that could start if Leonard is injured. Kyle has gotten that job if Kawhi has been injured and backed up Kawhi guarding Durant. It's a way for him to continue to get better. It's a good way to test Garino too, who was also in black and defense is his calling card.

    For the bench is a way to test their small ball lineups with the absolute best small ball 4 Pop has. If they don't survive as they are there in that lineup Kawhi, Pop is not going to dump that on Anderson or Bertans either. Definitely a test for a small ball bench IMO. Against a twin tower lineup they have to play fast, and the athleticism of Simmons, Leonard and Dedmon had to hope to overwhelm the starting lineup. For the starting lineup is a way to practice defending the small ball team with their twin towers. It's definitely a good practice for their bigs. Glad to see Garino as the starting SG, good for him to showcase his skills.

    Even furthermore, it's a way to test Leonard as the focus of an offense with no one outside of him being dominant and against 3 tall defenders (Kyle is not going to guard Kawhi one on one, but he's tall, can challenge shots and get in passing lanes as he showed against Durant in the playoffs, and one has to think it's practice for Pau or LMA have to back him up in the paint.) There is a lot to like in that experiment.
    Last edited by SAGirl; 09-28-2016 at 09:42 PM. Reason: Danny didn't practice so I took speculation about him out.

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    He's a 33-year old White American player in 2016

    A frontcourt of Aldridge/Gasol/Lee might be the softest trio we'll ever see in the NBA playoffs, tbh..Spurs might have to install a tampon dispenser in the locker room..
    Okay: over/under before the first "We were soft," game from Pop in the RS?
    Over/under on the first "You gotta bring the nasty!" quote from Pop during a huddle?

    Let's go.

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    Great to hear! My only worry is RC sometimes just puts things out there to be positive about a young, new guy (he said, for example, last year that McCallum could run the Spurs offense better than Joseph.

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    I don't know if "tough love" is how I would describe it, more like he needed to play minutes and he didn't earn them in the main team. Now, "coddled" to me is still giving him minutes in the main team when he didn't earn them, not actually sending him literally to the bottom of the barrel.
    Simmons just came from the d-league. And he had just come into legit money after struggling (?) to make ends meet for his kids. I doubt Simmons was upset by being told he was going to get paid to go back to where he had spent two years and play in a place he was comfortable. Again, I've never said he was some asshole with no life perspective. His mental weakness is all the more shocking when it's compared to what he's had to do to make it this far. Anyway, the bottom of the barrel is a poor description for the d-league when discussing fringe players. Green in his first year probably had nothing against going to Austin. Green now would upset. Big difference.

    You don't have to buy it, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. As far as professional NBA players go, the distance from the D-League to being a starter getting consistent minutes in a rotation is basically the distance from the bottom to the top. He was sent to the bottom repeatedly, the next step was getting cut.
    This isn't remotely true. Being the 13th man and on the bench is not particularly good for a young player. Being in Austin is much better for development. That's why Boban went. It had nothing to do with the Spurs thinking they'd need to cut him. I think you're letting the McCallum experience incorrectly inform your reasoning. Murray will see plenty of time in Austin, and the Spurs will likely not be thinking anything but good things about him.

    I do certainly think this season is make or break for Simms, and even more so than Kyle. The Spurs, however, are in a conundrum in how the roster has been built so far. There really isn't a natural SG replacement on the team. They don't appear to have enough money to add one (outside another KMart-style picking). Garino is probably the closest they have, but can only give you the defense, and I think the bench will need more scoring. So tough situation all around.
    I've said repeatedly that I don't think Simmons is a Spur next year. It just doesn't make economic sense unless the team is over the cap (or if Simmons takes a huge leap forward and becomes worth the opportunity cost). So in that regard, I totally agree it's a make-or-break year. But I don't think it's an unusual or even a bad situation to be in. Unless you're Tony Parker, everyone has contract years.

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    Great to hear! My only worry is RC sometimes just puts things out there to be positive about a young, new guy (he said, for example, last year that McCallum could run the Spurs offense better than Joseph.
    Oh you are right.
    Thanks for bringing me back down to earth BillMc!!!

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    Unless you're Tony Parker, everyone has contract years.
    I admit: I laughed. I laughed hard. Props.

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    My guess, they were testing different backup SF candidates that could start if Leonard is injured on the one hand. Kyle has gotten that job if Kawhi has been injured and backed up Kawhi guarding Durant. It's a way for him to continue to get better. It's a good way to test Garino, who was also in black and defense is his calling card.

    For the bench is a way to test their small ball lineups with the absolute best small ball 4 Pop has. If they don't survive as they are there in that lineup Kawhi, Pop is not going to dump that on Anderson or Bertans either. Definitely a test for a small ball bench IMO. Against a twin tower lineup they have to play fast, and the athleticism of Simmons, Leonard and Dedmon had to hope to overwhelm the starting lineup. For the starting lineup is a way to practice defending the small ball team with their twin towers. It's definitely a good practice for their bigs. Glad to see Danny was apparently practicing, or maybe he wasn't and Garino was the starting SG.

    Even furthermore, it's a way to test Leonard as the focus of an offense with no one outside of him being dominant and against 3 tall defenders (Kyle is not going to guard Kawhi one on one, but he's tall, can challenge shots and get in passing lanes as he showed against Durant in the playoffs, and one has to think it's practice for Pau or LMA have to back him up in the paint. There is a lot to like in that experiment.
    A) I guess Danny is practicing again? B) Remember that the opposite SF would be guarding Kawhi in practice, so either they started someone like Garino to see how he would do or the let both halves of LnL go at it. I don't know how many folks remember the last Silver & Black game, but the first few minutes were just Danny and Kawhi one-upping each other. Best offensive stretch I've ever seen Danny have (taking step-backs over Kawhi, driving and finishing at the rim). It was really cool to watch.

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    I admit: I laughed. I laughed hard. Props.
    Indeed. It's actually crazy that Parker has likely set a record in the common era for the longest a player has gone without ever reaching free agency. His contract will take him through 17 seasons, and he's actually eligible to reup in June. I have some beef when it comes to Tony's salary and all that, but it would be awesome to see someone make it 20 years without ever having a deal expire.

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    Notable: Popovich said Danny Green will return to practice this week after missing the first two days of camp with a bruised left thigh.

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    A) I guess Danny is practicing again? B) Remember that the opposite SF would be guarding Kawhi in practice, so either they started someone like Garino to see how he would do or the let both halves of LnL go at it. I don't know how many folks remember the last Silver & Black game, but the first few minutes were just Danny and Kawhi one-upping each other. Best offensive stretch I've ever seen Danny have (taking step-backs over Kawhi, driving and finishing at the rim). It was really cool to watch.
    I figured later that Danny is returning to practice soon, but he apparently didn't today from that tweeted article I shared. It was a sort of footnote at the end. I am guessing Garino took Danny's spot. Good practice for Kyle I am guessing in that case with Kawhi.

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