Church of Trump

[Winehole23]

You guys act like you have never heard of loss carry forwards.

It's exactly this sort of remark that makes you and Donald Trump look like out of touch elitists.

Most people can't afford such losses, let alone relate to carryng them forward and paying no income taxes for 15 years as a result.

[rmt]

It's exactly this sort of remark that makes you and Donald Trump look like out of touch elitists.

Most people can't afford such losses, let alone relate to carryng them forward and paying no income taxes for 15 years as a result.

I just don't understand this sort of thinking - an out of touch elitist? Some one who provides jobs for his employees? Is this the prevailing at ude toward small business owners? I guess you rather a public servant who has millions of dollars by whatever methods vs someone who actually creates jobs. The tax code is not the fault of either Trump or CC - why blame them for taking advantage of them?

[dabom]

I just don't understand this sort of thinking - an out of touch elitist? Some one who provides jobs for his employees? Is this the prevailing at ude toward small business owners? I guess you rather a public servant who has millions of dollars by whatever methods vs someone who actually creates jobs. The tax code is not the fault of either Trump or CC - why blame them for taking advantage of them?

The guy is an out of touch elitist. Dude wants more Trickle Down Economics times AIDS. And then we get into another ing recession.

Here is a recent example at state level.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/...by-jindal.html

[pgardn]

I just don't understand this sort of thinking - an out of touch elitist? Some one who provides jobs for his employees? Is this the prevailing at ude toward small business owners? I guess you rather a public servant who has millions of dollars by whatever methods vs someone who actually creates jobs. The tax code is not the fault of either Trump or CC - why blame them for taking advantage of them?

So it's OK for the tax code to be rigged.

How are you planning on watching the vote in November in your area since the election is rigged? I mean lets get to the important stuff the Great Leader has called for. What are your plans and what do you expect to find?

[dabom]

"lets slash cuts for the RICH BIGTIME!"

[Winehole23]

I just don't understand this sort of thinking - an out of touch elitist? Some one who provides jobs for his employees? Is this the prevailing at ude toward small business owners? I guess you rather a public servant who has millions of dollars by whatever methods vs someone who actually creates jobs. The tax code is not the fault of either Trump or CC - why blame them for taking advantage of them?

It's absolutely true that Trump is not directly responsible for the fact that the tax code and bankruptcy law are rigged for rich insiders like him:

The loss stemmed from Trump’s investments in the early 1990s.

Ordinary investors in Trump’s business empire saw the value of their shares plunge to 17 cents from $35.50, bondholders got pennies on the dollar, and scores of contractors went unpaid.

But Trump got a bonanza because the tax code allows “net operating losses” to cancel out taxable income in future years. And the bankruptcy code allows wealthy people to stiff the people they owe by reorganizing their debts under Chapter 11.

[Winehole23]

Trump used his wealth and connections to build lavish casinos. When they went belly up, he used bankruptcy law to screw his investors and a rigged tax code to shirk income taxes.

[Winehole23]

that's the MO of a consummate insider. Trump isn't one of us.

[dabom]

I remember when hater told me he and ducks owned the political forum.

I shouldn't come down here anymore to own ya es.

[ElNono]

I just don't understand this sort of thinking - an out of touch elitist? Some one who provides jobs for his employees? Is this the prevailing at ude toward small business owners? I guess you rather a public servant who has millions of dollars by whatever methods vs someone who actually creates jobs. The tax code is not the fault of either Trump or CC - why blame them for taking advantage of them?

You mean jobs he then turns around and refuses to pay for, because losses ? But then when the bonanza time comes around, he pockets the difference?

I get it, "That makes me smart"... yeah, but the middle class takes it up the ass, once when they don't get paid, then again, when they have to cover because this doesn't pay his taxes.

Not saying Shillary is any better, but really? This is the guy that's suddenly interested in saving the middle class? gmafb

[Winehole23]

hater and ducks own the -posting by volume, but both are fair weather friends -- expect them to disappear on November 9.

[pgardn]

I'm good at using other people's money to pay for things...

This is your man rmt.

[Winehole23]

Trump isn’t and was never a smart businessman. He was and is smart at gaming the system. There’s a difference.

[Winehole23]

and face it, as a politician, Trump sucks: he lacks discretion, discipline and self-control, and is totally inconsistent on policy.

this phase of the campaign is a job interview. the lack of relevant knowledge, preparation and temperament shows.

[rmt]

I think some of you need to go back and re-read my post. I was commenting on Winehole calling CC an out of touch elitist.

an out of touch elitist? Some one who provides jobs for his employees? Is this the prevailing at ude toward small business owners?

You guys are so easy to jump to conclusions.

[Winehole23]

what CC said about taxes was out of touch, and to be fair, I didn't call him an elitist: I said his remarks about carried losses make him sound like one.

[Winehole23]

tell me, rmt, do you admire rich guys like Trump and CC more for gaming a system that's rigged in their favor?

[pgardn]

I just don't understand this sort of thinking - an out of touch elitist? Some one who provides jobs for his employees? Is this the prevailing at ude toward small business owners? I guess you rather a public servant who has millions of dollars by whatever methods vs someone who actually creates jobs. The tax code is not the fault of either Trump or CC - why blame them for taking advantage of them?

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And no one said it was Trumps fault.

But the man calls various government functions, programs, etc... rigged and then passes taxes to me. He takes advantage of a rigged tax code and then has the audacity to blame any of his political failings on various rigged systems. The contradictions are so blatant.

The election is rigged if he loses. The debate was his microphone. He is a whiny spoiled child and people have the audacity to let him slip by because he did not make the system, he just pilfered from it? Seriously? Now we know why he will not release tax returns. Bogus charities, bogus University, bogus streaks...

He is like an old tent toting revivalists taking money from people and he BRAGS ABOUT IT.

[Winehole23]

or is it more like envy?

[Winehole23]

do you envy Trump for screwing over his creditors and shirking his taxes in a totally legal fashion?

[rmt]

tell me, rmt, do you admire rich guys like Trump and CC more for gaming a system that's rigged in their favor?

Winehole, they are not gaming the system. What they are doing is legal. If you want to rail at someone, then I suggest you do it to the politicians who make the tax code. As far as carried losses, I would think that most business use it when it is of benefit. With regard to my day-trading/stocks, I use whatever is legal tax-wise to my benefit. What I think some of you are missing is that it behooves business people to do whatever is legal tax-wise to benefit their company or that company is not gonna last long - what do you think the company is - a charitable organization?

Look at Obamacare - do I blame people for signing up at the beginning of the year, getting their physicals, labs and procedures done and then dropping. Do I blame people for doing what is in their self-interest (as long as it's legal)? No, I blame the Democrats who wrote and passed this stupid law.

[rmt]

or is it more like envy?

Sigh, this might not be an appropriate place for this but this is what taped to my computer screen (a newspaper clipping):

I Asked God

I asked God for strength, that I might achieve.
I was made weak, that I might learn to obey.

I asked God for health, that I might do greater things.
I was given infirmity, that I might do better things.

I asked for riches, that I might be happy
I was given poverty, that I might be wise.

I asked for power, that I might have the praise of men.
I was given weakness, that I might feel the need of God.

I asked for all things, that I might enjoy life.
I was given life, that I might enjoy all things.

I got nothing that I asked for - but everything I had hoped for.
Almost despite myself, my unspoken prayers were answered.

I am, among all men, most richly blessed.

So, no, I do not envy Donald Trump - my priorities are elsewhere. Regarding envy - CC was not born rich. He worked hard and achieved the American dream. Is this not what previous generations have come to this country for? Why knock someone when they have succeeded - instead strive to achieve it yourself. I don't know what your ages are (I'm assuming most are young). I know things seem stacked against you but most start off with not much and work hard, invest wisely and in (my) 50s have a little nest egg - and it didn't come from NOT taking whatever tax deduction/credit/benefit legally available to me.

[dabom]

Sigh, this might not be an appropriate place for this but this is what taped to my computer screen (a newspaper clipping):

I Asked God

I asked God for strength, that I might achieve.
I was made weak, that I might learn to obey.

I asked God for health, that I might do greater things.
I was given infirmity, that I might do better things.

I asked for riches, that I might be happy
I was given poverty, that I might be wise.

I asked for power, that I might have the praise of men.
I was given weakness, that I might feel the need of God.

I asked for all things, that I might enjoy life.
I was given life, that I might enjoy all things.

I got nothing that I asked for - but everything I had hoped for.
Almost despite myself, my unspoken prayers were answered.

I am, among all men, most richly blessed.

So, no, I do not envy Donald Trump - my priorities are elsewhere. Regarding envy - CC was not born rich. He worked hard and achieved the American dream. Is this not what previous generations have come to this country for? Why knock someone when they have succeeded - instead strive to achieve it yourself. I don't know what your ages are (I'm assuming most are young). I know things seem stacked against you but most start off with not much and work hard, invest wisely and in (my) 50s have a little nest egg - and it didn't come from NOT taking whatever tax deduction/credit/benefit legally available to me.

So as a man of God, I don't see how you can vote for him. He is closer to Satan than anything. Tell me how morally wealthy Trump is.

[rmt]

So as a man of God, I don't see how you can vote for him. He is closer to Satan than anything. Tell me how morally wealthy Trump is.

I am a woman of God. I am not voting for Trump because he is some paragon of virtue - I'm voting for him because he might actually have the b**ls to upset the corruption that's in Washington. Do you see the FBI handing out immunity to 5 people and getting nothing in return? The government is corrupt at every level - and Hillary is the epitome of the establishment. You all get caught up in the BS Trump spouts - it all stems from his big ego/bravado/bluster - at least you hear what's on his mind compared to Hillary who will say anything to get your vote.

[ElNono]

I am a woman of God. I am not voting for Trump because he is some paragon of virtue - I'm voting for him because he might actually have the b**ls to upset the corruption that's in Washington. Do you see the FBI handing out immunity to 5 people and getting nothing in return? The government is corrupt at every level - and Hillary is the epitome of the establishment. You all get caught up in the BS Trump spouts - it all stems from his big ego/bravado/bluster - at least you hear what's on his mind compared to Hillary who will say anything to get your vote.

He's been all about himself, ing the middle-class right in the ass for years on end, and you think he suddenly had a change of heart? Shillary being the embodiment of the "establishment" doesn't make this guy any less of an insider. Heck, he's admitted repeatedly how he's been a willing accomplice of this alleged "rigged system" that has made him a lot of money.

And where you really lost me is in the "what's on his mind part"... I mean, I'm not religious and enjoy trolling as much as the next guy for the lols, but reconciling "check the sextape", mocking the disabled, the constant misogyny, xenophobia, etc with "woman of God" would probably be one of the most twisted plots I've every heard, tbh.

I think it would simply be way more honest to simply admit you're voting for him because he's from red team and/or he's not from blue team. We're all adults here, tbh...