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    I think no small part of the visceral reaction to Hillary has been because she is a woman. I see her coming under criticism that no man would.
    You and Manny are being ridiculous. Trump has come under far more criticism than Hillary. Is it deserved? Maybe, but stating that Hillary is being unfairly criticized isn't "intellectually honest" when comparing the two candidates.

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    Doesn't have to be cheating on her at the moment for him to be a women philanderer. The fact that he's had multiple marriages already speaks to that.
    He's been with Melania for 18 years - that's a pretty long time.

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    Did Bill not get pretty much the same treatment?

    And God damn, now this:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...ide-agreements

    At what point does all this smoke not make some of her supporters think, "Hmmmmm. There might be some fire here." Trying to justify a vote for her without mentioning her opponent being a greater evil is impossible, IMO. I can appreciate voting against Donald. I can't understand voting FOR her. And Vice Versa.
    Gary Lynch, GM at Rising S Bunkers, a Texas-based company that specializes in underground bunkers and services scores of Los Angeles residences, says that sales at the most upscale end of the market — mainly to actors, pro athletes and politicians (who require signed NDAs) — have increased 700 percent this year compared with 2015, and overall sales have risen 150 percent. "Any time there is a turbulent political landscape, we see a e in our sales. Given this election is as turbulent as it is, we are gearing up for an even bigger e," says marketing director Brad Roberson of sales of bunkers that start at $39,000 and can run $8.35 million or more (FYI, a 12-stall horse shelter is $98,500).

    Adds Mike Peters, owner of Utah-based Ultimate Bunker, which builds high-end versions in California, Texas and Minnesota: "People are going for luxury [to] live underground because they see the future is going to be rough. Everyone I've talked to thinks we are doomed, no matter who is elected."
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...calypse-932748

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    once again, the election presents a fecal duality. both ends of the stick are ty.

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    once again, the election presents a fecal duality. both ends of the stick are ty.
    false equivalence

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    Why won't she release her speech transcripts? Her emails? Why the connections to shady individuals and regimes? What was up with the Rich pardon? The leaked DNC emails that showed bias against the great Bernard Sanders? How did they manage to build an empire through public service? That's just her character. As far as her political record goes, she's best known for supporting a disastrous trade agreement and war.

    She's a candidate with a repulsive personality that has gotten by on name recognition and her vagina. Take away the Clinton last name and give her a set of balls and nobody would give a about her.
    Yup.

    lol Hillary defenders. Stick to destroying Trump.

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    Lol.

    Yeah, we're doomed, but we'll be alright. Checks and balances are a wonderful thing. I can't believe in this election that EVEN my vote for the libertarian is going to involve holding my nose. He's a clown, but he seems an honest clown.

    Besides, can't afford a bunker. Just stocking up on Ammo to take one when it all goes to .

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    Hitler and Nixon were both horrible people. Saying so doesn't make them equivalent.

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    Hitler and Nixon were both horrible people. Saying so doesn't make them equivalent.
    Yeah, that's bouts point

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    Yeah, that's bouts point
    No one made an equivalence. To do so is to distract everyone who has chosen a side with, "Yeah, but...." All WH pointed out was that both were .

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    You and Manny are being ridiculous. Trump has come under far more criticism than Hillary. Is it deserved? Maybe, but stating that Hillary is being unfairly criticized isn't "intellectually honest" when comparing the two candidates.
    She's been criticized for not smiling enough and for being too serious; she's been criticized for the way that she looks; she's been criticized for being too certain of herself.

    There are plenty of reasons to criticize Hillary Clinton about a great many things. None of the above mentioned matters are reasonable things to criticize her for unless you hold a woman running for office to a different standard than a man running for the same office.

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    No one made an equivalence. To do so is to distract everyone who has chosen a side with, "Yeah, but...." All WH pointed out was that both were .
    Eh...."fecal duality" seems to imply both being equally ty.

    Whatever.

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    And do you remember Hillary and that break she took in her debate with Sanders? I know where she went - it's disgusting, I don't want to talk about it. No, it's too disgusting. Don't say it, it's disgusting. Let's not talk - we want to be very, very straight up, OK? But I thought that was - wasn't that a weird deal? We're ready to start and we're looking - they gave her every benefit of the doubt, because you know - it's ABC and she practically owns ABC, she really does.

    But I will tell you this - she doesn't have the look. I just don’t believe she has a presidential look, and you need a presidential look. She doesn't have the look. She doesn't have the stamina, I said she doesn't have the stamina, and I don't believe she does have the stamina.

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    Does that apply to me - shouldn't I be rah-rah-ing over the first female president?
    No, you should pick whomever you think better.

    That said, I can point you to studies that show men and women are perceived differently for the same actions.

    https://www.vitalsmarts.com/press/20...p-assertively/

    http://fortune.com/2014/08/26/perfor...w-gender-bias/

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...nalCode=vsoc20

    Do a google search.

    Now, with the added information that men and woman are, in fact, perceived differently, how has that affected your view of Hillary Clinton's actions?

    Ask yourself, how much has your perception of her been colored by an unconscious bias that you likely aren't aware of?


    Part of any good critical thinking means figuring out what kinds of biases are at play. One makes better decisions when one is honest about that stuff, especially if that bias is without merit.

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    Did Bill not get pretty much the same treatment?

    And God damn, now this:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...ide-agreements

    At what point does all this smoke not make some of her supporters think, "Hmmmmm. There might be some fire here." Trying to justify a vote for her without mentioning her opponent being a greater evil is impossible, IMO. I can appreciate voting against Donald. I can't understand voting FOR her. And Vice Versa.
    What do you think about Trump using his foundation to pay his legal obligations?

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    She's been criticized for not smiling enough and for being too serious; she's been criticized for the way that she looks; she's been criticized for being too certain of herself.

    There are plenty of reasons to criticize Hillary Clinton about a great many things. None of the above mentioned matters are reasonable things to criticize her for unless you hold a woman running for office to a different standard than a man running for the same office.
    And Trump gets criticized for his hair and having the sniffles.

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    You and Manny are being ridiculous. Trump has come under far more criticism than Hillary. Is it deserved? Maybe, but stating that Hillary is being unfairly criticized isn't "intellectually honest" when comparing the two candidates.
    You missed the point, yet again.

    See my response to rmt, and answer the same questions. I know you don't like being honest, or doing the heavy lifting of reading things, so I am not expecting you to bother with either, but it is still up to me to point you at evidence/information, and give you good critical thinking questions.

    What you do with that remains on you, and says volumes about your character.

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    What do you think about Trump using his foundation to pay his legal obligations?
    Not that big of a deal, tbh. I won't vote for him, but for any number of other reasons.

    Try to make a case FOR Hillary. It's far harder than making a case against Trump.

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    You missed the point, yet again.

    See my response to rmt, and answer the same questions. I know you don't like being honest, or doing the heavy lifting of reading things, so I am not expecting you to bother with either, but it is still up to me to point you at evidence/information, and give you good critical thinking questions.

    What you do with that remains on you, and says volumes about your character.
    When I see you give me good critical thinking questions I'll let you know.

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    No, you should pick whomever you think better.

    That said, I can point you to studies that show men and women are perceived differently for the same actions.

    https://www.vitalsmarts.com/press/20...p-assertively/

    http://fortune.com/2014/08/26/perfor...w-gender-bias/

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...nalCode=vsoc20

    Do a google search.

    Now, with the added information that men and woman are, in fact, perceived differently, how has that affected your view of Hillary Clinton's actions?

    Ask yourself, how much has your perception of her been colored by an unconscious bias that you likely aren't aware of?


    Part of any good critical thinking means figuring out what kinds of biases are at play. One makes better decisions when one is honest about that stuff, especially if that bias is without merit.
    I view Bill and Hillary with equal disgust.

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    Not that big of a deal, tbh. I won't vote for him, but for any number of other reasons.

    Try to make a case FOR Hillary. It's far harder than making a case against Trump.
    The case for Hillary is you'd have Republican control of the entire country with a Trump win. What a disaster that would be.

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    The case for Hillary is you'd have Republican control of the entire country with a Trump win. What a disaster that would be.
    Thanks for making my point.

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    Thanks for making my point.
    It's not a case against Trump so much as it is a case against the heads in the house.

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    Not that big of a deal, tbh. I won't vote for him, but for any number of other reasons.

    Try to make a case FOR Hillary. It's far harder than making a case against Trump.
    Dont be that guy..

    Trump would:

    Keep the tax as low as can be for the rich
    Appoint a far right wing supreme court justice
    Do zero for climate change
    Keep the poor poorer

    Clinton would:
    Raise taxes on the super rich
    Appoint (at the very least) a progressive supreme court justice
    Acknowledge and take steps to combat climate change
    To a certain degree, provide tuition free college


    You can go through a whole list and see a clear difference in policies. You dont have to like her to know she would be better overrall. Period.

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    It's not a case against Trump so much as it is a case against the heads in the house.
    Fair enough. Still not a positive for Hillary.

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