Where does Tony Parker rank in the best PGs of all-time debate?

[SASdynasty!]

IMO, if you look at raw numbers, he's top 10... he's played in the league for too long, and he's done well. I can't compare with players in the 60's-70's, tbh... just from the 80's onwards.

Obviously, the fact that he's played with prime Duncan and Ginobili will always be an asterisk. He's the only member of the big 3 that didn't ring during his own statistical peak (08-13). And he was certainly fortunate that TD, Gino and Kawhi saved the 2014 season, on a playoff run where he was mired with injuries for the second time in a row. But only Spurfans that watched the games really know and remember the nitty-gritty, tbh.

People down the line will just look at the numbers, and it's undeniable that his longevity and general durability until the tail end of his career, along with a solid program and obviously his innate talent as a scorer has allowed him to put solid numbers.

Guys like Nash were fun to watch, but I doubt he had the kind of compe ive spirit that pushes you to stare down a teammate. That's a compe or's look, IMO.

I've been mostly reading up, a lot of people bring good points, and obviously threads like this never settle anything, but personally I think history will be kind to Tony, and all of the big 3, actually. Now that TD is gone, gotta enjoy the other two while they're still around.

Hahahaha what?!

-I love how Parker's "statistical peak" conveniently starts the year after he wins FMVP and the year before he is the only All-Star & All-NBA Spur who also leads the team in scoring throughout the RS, playoffs, and Finals and also leads the team in assists throughout the RS & playoffs. What a joke.

-And I love how the others "saved the season" when the OKC series didn't even go to 7, whereas Parker is the one who steps up in the Spurs only elimination game.

-Also, Parker gets an asterisk for playing with Ginobili? That means everyone who has ever played with a top-100 player (and one that rode the bench his whole career) has an asterisk by their career?! Haha wow!

Other than that, good post.

[BillMc]

Taylor Swift got a banner in Staples before your team did.

[Spurtacular]

Worthy was still at Carolina during 1980 when that finals occurred. And Wothy didn't need a pick n roll. You just give him the ball and let him go. Especially on the fast break. The celtics found out in 88.

Worthy was sub par in the half court 'til Kareem aged / left, and he realized he had to pick it up. Stockton would've tapped that potential sooner. That's what he does. Magic wasn't some great maestro in the half court offense.

[lefty]

Worthy was sub par in the half court 'til Kareem aged / left, and he realized he had to pick it up. Stockton would've tapped that potential sooner. That's what he does. Magic wasn't some great maestro in the half court offense.

Agreed

Magic's passing is overrated as

[TD 21]

Once again, in your opinion.

I wholeheartedly disagree on both opinions. Parker was the second best player in '07 and the best player in '14, although Ginobili and Duncan weren't too far behind him in those respective seasons.

His flaws and limitations were obvious and sometimes glaring, but they are at times severly overstated. He was still an above average and against certain matchups good defender in '07, led the team in assists, second in points, was voted to the all-star team, but was somehow not better than Ginobili? Yeah, believe that nonsense if you want to.

Don't need to even go over '14 since he was the only dependable/consistent scorer on the team that season. He had reached his apex the season prior and was clearly beginning to decline, but no way were anyone of Duncan, Ginobili, Green or Splitter better than him. The argument can be made for Kawhi, although I would disagree, but the rest of them were essentially role players. Parker was still a top 10 PG in '14.

Anyway, the original statement of the Parker hater was that Tony "only won as a 'third' option" which is in tself a lie. Parker has won three championships as the 2nd option and one as the 1st option on offense. So, he was factually incorrect and then you ran with what I said and changed the argument more or less.

I posted stats to back up my point; you've posted nothing to back up yours.

Ginobili played less minutes and had lesser counting stats and this was before the advanced stats era, so of course Parker received more individual accolades.

Being the best scorer doesn't automatically make one the best player. Duncan was the best all around player in '14 and had a strong argument for being the best center in the league.

First, second, third option, it's all semantics in this case. Parker was never the best player on a championship team and I never "changed the argument".

[Brazil]

Agreed

Magic's passing is overrated as

you should create a thread about it tbh....

[Brazil]

Parker was never the best player on a championship team and I never "changed the argument".

neither Manu or Kawhi tbh

[Clipper Nation]

Nice list, I'll take Finals Dwayne Wade over CP3 every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

So would I. I'd also take him over Enrique "Point Guard Karl Malone" Porker.

[Clipper Nation]

Parker dominates

Dominates what? The ball, as he dribbles the shot clock down to the last second? The compe ive eating circuit, after he retires from the NBA?

[TD 21]

neither Manu or Kawhi tbh

Agreed, but that has nothing to do with what I said.

I'm not a Parker hater or a Ginobili fanboy, I just tell it like it is.

[HarlemHeat37]

TP is absolutely a top 10 PG of all-time, tbh..no, he wasn't the best player on a le team(although he was technically the #1 option on the 2014 team, despite being a net negative impact player), but he had a great peak(2013), a bunch of impressive accolades and decent longevity..

1. Magic
2. Curry
3. Nash
4. Stockton***
5. Paul
6. Isiah Thomas(although extremely overrated)
7. Payton
8. Kidd
9. Parker
10. Billups

[Brazil]

Agreed, but that has nothing to do with what I said.

I'm not a Parker hater or a Ginobili fanboy, I just tell it like it is.

did not follow the whole discussion tbh... just pointing out dat fact, a lot of fanboys act their guy were the big thing leading Spurs to a ring forgetting that there is only ONE big thing in San Antonio so far

I'm personally a Tim, Parker, Gino and Kawhi fanboy. The only I hate is Kyle Anderson tbh

[Brazil]

TP is absolutely a top 10 PG of all-time, tbh..no, he wasn't the best player on a le team(although he was technically the #1 option on the 2014 team, despite being a net negative impact player), but he had a great peak(2013), a bunch of impressive accolades and decent longevity..

1. Magic
2. Curry
3. Nash
4. Stockton***
5. Paul
6. Isiah Thomas(although extremely overrated)
7. Payton
8. Kidd
9. Parker
10. Billups

for the list except for Nash... Kidd>Nash
for the ***
and man for the net negative

Do you agree btw that my nigg Billups is severly underrated tbh ?

[HarlemHeat37]

Parker's legacy and reputation would have received a massive boost had 6 not occurred, too, tbh..he was the best player on the team in 2013, had a great playoff run through 3 rounds, and the Memphis WCFs was probably the more impressive series of his career and one of the best playoff series' for a PG in recent history..sucks..

[TD 21]

Parker wasn't the definitive best player in '13 either. Duncan and him were essentially the co-best player.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html

[tbdog]

Dominates what? The ball, as he dribbles the shot clock down to the last second? The compe ive eating circuit, after he retires from the NBA?

click the link.

[lefty]

you should create a thread about it tbh....

I did imo

[gambit1990]

TP is absolutely a top 10 PG of all-time, tbh..no, he wasn't the best player on a le team(although he was technically the #1 option on the 2014 team, despite being a net negative impact player), but he had a great peak(2013), a bunch of impressive accolades and decent longevity..

1. Magic
2. Curry
3. Nash
4. Stockton***
5. Paul
6. Isiah Thomas(although extremely overrated)
7. Payton
8. Kidd
9. Parker
10. Billups

westbrook is better than parker.

[J_Paco]

Parker wasn't the definitive best player in '13 either. Duncan and him were essentially the co-best player.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html

LOLOLOL

Now, I know your opinion is biased as .

[lilbthebasedgod]

Last

[ElNono]

Parker's legacy and reputation would have received a massive boost had 6 not occurred, too, tbh..he was the best player on the team in 2013, had a great playoff run through 3 rounds, and the Memphis WCFs was probably the more impressive series of his career and one of the best playoff series' for a PG in recent history..sucks..

It wasn't his fault. It's a shame his hammy betrayed him, tbh... he never really looked the same afterwards. That would've been his signature ring, at his peak, like Manu in '05. Just happy Tim, Manu and Kawhi could make up for it a year later, even if it meant landing LMA, tbh...

[Hoops Czar]

TP is absolutely a top 10 PG of all-time, tbh..no, he wasn't the best player on a le team(although he was technically the #1 option on the 2014 team, despite being a net negative impact player), but he had a great peak(2013), a bunch of impressive accolades and decent longevity..

1. Magic
2. Curry
3. Nash
4. Stockton***
5. Paul
6. Isiah Thomas(although extremely overrated)
7. Payton
8. Kidd
9. Parker
10. Billups

Why the * next to Stockton? Was it because he was a white American?

[james evans]

Worthy was sub par in the half court 'til Kareem aged / left, and he realized he had to pick it up. Stockton would've tapped that potential sooner. That's what he does. Magic wasn't some great maestro in the half court offense.

Agreed

Magic's passing is overrated as

this is nonsense. Big game James is a career 20ppg playoff performer with the lakers. Unlike Byron Scott, James turned it up in the post season. Now you guys want to try and make Stockton seem like he's better than Magic by talking bs about James Worthy having a sub par career? I swear you can't make up some of the I've heard online concerning basketball discussion.

[james evans]

Worthy was sub par in the half court 'til Kareem aged / left, and he realized he had to pick it up. Stockton would've tapped that potential sooner. That's what he does. Magic wasn't some great maestro in the half court offense.

TP is absolutely a top 10 PG of all-time, tbh..no, he wasn't the best player on a le team(although he was technically the #1 option on the 2014 team, despite being a net negative impact player), but he had a great peak(2013), a bunch of impressive accolades and decent longevity..

1. Magic
2. Curry
3. Nash
4. Stockton***
5. Paul
6. Isiah Thomas(although extremely overrated)
7. Payton
8. Kidd
9. Parker
10. Billups

I hope that isn't an all time listing? hahaha. And if Isiah is overrated, what is Parker? tell me something Parker does/did that Isiah couldn't? I'll wait for an answer. don't rush. Take your time.

[SASdynasty!]

I hope that isn't an all time listing? hahaha. And if Isiah is overrated, what is Parker? tell me something Parker does/did that Isiah couldn't? I'll wait for an answer. don't rush. Take your time.

Jeez, where do you start? He only made the playoffs 9 times in his entire career, whereas Parker will probably double that. Oh, and he shot 45% from the field for his career, lol. And that dropped in the playoffs. He was a bad 3 point shooter also, 29% for his career. He was also a turnover machine compared to Parker. And Isaiah will finish at best with half as many les as Parker.