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    I think even 2000 Shaq had a peak vs peak argument...against Jordan.
    2000 Shaq got outplayed by Sheed for a couple of games in the WCF including Gm 7 when Sheed was DOMINATING before he choked in the 4th quarter. PEAK Jordan averaged 41/8/6 & showed MVP Barkley that he wasn't in his league.

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    Nah. As awesome as Tayshaun's block was, LeBron's was a way bigger deal.

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    Nah. As awesome as Tayshaun's block was, LeBron's was a way bigger deal.
    No it wasn't. Reggie had an opportunity to tie or win that game with that layup and he had a huge head start. Lebron was in a different scenario, but the end of the road is still the end of the road, be it Finals or 1st round.

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    LeBron's block was in Game 7 on the road in the Finals against a 73-win team. It also sealed a championship for a city that hadn't won one in 52 years.

    Prince's block was in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference Finals.

    Anyone trying to claim that the latter was a bigger deal is either delusional, a LeBron hater, or both.

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    CN/HH salty AF, judging by the desperation of his semen shielding...

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    LeBron's block was in Game 7 on the road in the Finals against a 73-win team. It also sealed a championship for a city that hadn't won one in 52 years.
    Kyrie sealed the championship, Bron made the block in a tie game w/ 1:50 remaining in the game. Iggy could have scored & the Cavs would have still won since 3 > 2.

    If we take out the Cavs not winning in 52 season, Kawhi blocking WestBrick's GO-AHEAD layup in a TWO possession game to seal the 2014 WCF was more miraculous considering Iggy had a bad back & Kawhi was outnumbered with the best athlete in the NBA coming right at him. Had the Spurs lost that game they would have been cooked in Gm 7 considering Tim/Manu were spent in OT & Porker had already tapped out at half-time. We would have been robbed of the 2014 Finals maestro performance & Bron might STILL be in Miami.

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    Lebeta will never surpass JordanPERIOD

    MJ got too many team and individual accolades, too many iconic moments and even when the Bulls were getting their butt kicked in the 80's, Jordan was still putting up monster stats, team just wasn't good enough. He never got exposed the way Lebron did against the Mavs.

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    Lebeta will never surpass JordanPERIOD

    MJ got too many team and individual accolades, too many iconic moments and even when the Bulls were getting their butt kicked in the 80's, Jordan was still putting up monster stats, team just wasn't good enough. He never got exposed the way Lebron did against the Mavs.

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    Kyrie sealed the championship, Bron made the block in a tie game w/ 1:50 remaining in the game. Iggy could have scored & the Cavs would have still won since 3 > 2.

    If we take out the Cavs not winning in 52 season, Kawhi blocking WestBrick's GO-AHEAD layup in a TWO possession game to seal the 2014 WCF was more miraculous considering Iggy had a bad back & Kawhi was outnumbered with the best athlete in the NBA coming right at him. Had the Spurs lost that game they would have been cooked in Gm 7 considering Tim/Manu were spent in OT & Porker had already tapped out at half-time. We would have been robbed of the 2014 Finals maestro performance & Bron might STILL be in Miami.

    I could watch that block a 1000 times every day and still marvel at it's beauty and how huge it was in that moment.

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    The NBA media is full of salty retired players and paunchy old white guys who live in the past. They played against DK, or grew up watching him, or covered him during his career, so they're biased towards him. And out of every sport, the NBA's media is the least willing to give credit to current players over those who played in the past. So they grasp at anything to keep DK at the top. If DK managed to lose a Finals even with his mega-stacked supporting cast and Stern's rigging, Media would find some other stat to hold over this generation's heads.
    This.

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    The NBA media is full of salty retired players and paunchy old white guys who live in the past. They played against DK, or grew up watching him, or covered him during his career, so they're biased towards him. And out of every sport, the NBA's media is the least willing to give credit to current players over those who played in the past. So they grasp at anything to keep DK at the top. If DK managed to lose a Finals even with his mega-stacked supporting cast and Stern's rigging, Media would find some other stat to hold over this generation's heads.
    at the media giving credit to mother ers who are so sensitive to criticism that they have to shut their twitter down.

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    Lebeta will never surpass JordanPERIOD

    MJ got too many team and individual accolades, too many iconic moments and even when the Bulls were getting their butt kicked in the 80's, Jordan was still putting up monster stats, team just wasn't good enough. He never got exposed the way Lebron did against the Mavs.


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    Nobody taking a backseat to wade can be considered best ever.

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    If DK can be excused for losing in the first round three times, being suspended from the NBA for gambling, and having an 11-17 record against Bird, LeBron can be excused for one bad series.
    Jordan wasnt in his prime when he lost early in his career. The Mavs didn't do anything special except play a zone defense.

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    LeBron's block was in Game 7 on the road in the Finals against a 73-win team. It also sealed a championship for a city that hadn't won one in 52 years.

    Prince's block was in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference Finals.

    Anyone trying to claim that the latter was a bigger deal is either delusional, a LeBron hater, or both.
    Plus Reggie ed up by not dunking it

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    Dad Killer will never be surpassed in the conventional way that media and fans rank players with lack of nuance(rings, accolades, etc), tbh..all the cir stances worked in his favor, it was a perfect storm of having a stacked supporting cast, minimal compe ion and no media to expose his flaws, on and off the court..

    Individually, they are close, but Lebron was unfortunate to be placed in the wrong situation and era, tbh..

    Realistically, you could have replaced Dad Killer with a number of players that would have easily won at least 5 les with those Bulls teams..Kobe, Wade, Drexler, Paul Pierce, McGrady, Vince Carter, etc..if you replaced DK with any of those players, the Bulls would have been worse, but still would have easily won at least 5 championships vs. inferior compe ion..

    The 1994 Bulls were 1 shot away from the ECFs, despite Scottie not even having a traditional sidekick..I can't even fathom how you could take a superstar player off his team and they could still make a deep playoff run..

    From his rookie season until his retirement(and I'm being generous by including the Wizards' days, since it inflates this number in his favor), DK's teams won 51% of the games without him..that isn't a good winning % and is an accurate display of his value, but compared to somebody like Lebron and his teams' 35% mark without him, it's laughable
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    Dad Killer will never be surpassed in the conventional way that media and fans rank players with lack of nuance(rings, accolades, etc), tbh..all the cir stances worked in his favor, it was a perfect storm of having a stacked supporting cast, minimal compe ion and no media to expose his flaws, on and off the court..

    Individually, they are close, but Lebron was unfortunate to be placed in the wrong situation and era, tbh..

    Realistically, you could have replaced Dad Killer with a number of players that would have easily won at least 5 les with those Bulls teams..Kobe, Wade, Drexler, Paul Pierce, McGrady, Vince Carter, etc..if you replaced DK with any of those players, the Bulls would have been worse, but still would have easily won at least 5 championships vs. inferior compe ion..

    The 1994 Bulls were 1 shot away from the ECFs, despite Scottie not even having a traditional sidekick..I can't even fathom how you could take a superstar player off his team and they could still make a deep playoff run..

    From his rookie season until his retirement(and I'm being generous by including the Wizards' days, since it inflates this number in his favor), DK's teams won 51% of the games without him..that isn't a good winning % and is an accurate display of his value, but compared to somebody like Lebron and his teams' 35% mark without him, it's laughable
    Srs question what's your top 5 tbh

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    Srs question what's your top 5 tbh
    1. Larry Bird
    2. John Stockton
    3. Bob Cousy
    4. George Mikan
    5. Kevin McHale

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    1. Larry Bird
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    Laugh out loud. Good one Harlem.

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    Laugh out loud. Good one Harlem.
    You gotta wonder how athletic Harlem is or isn't when he is threatened by white men playing basketball.

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    Kyrie sealed the championship, Bron made the block in a tie game w/ 1:50 remaining in the game. Iggy could have scored & the Cavs would have still won since 3 > 2.

    If we take out the Cavs not winning in 52 season, Kawhi blocking WestBrick's GO-AHEAD layup in a TWO possession game to seal the 2014 WCF was more miraculous considering Iggy had a bad back & Kawhi was outnumbered with the best athlete in the NBA coming right at him. Had the Spurs lost that game they would have been cooked in Gm 7 considering Tim/Manu were spent in OT & Porker had already tapped out at half-time. We would have been robbed of the 2014 Finals maestro performance & Bron might STILL be in Miami.

    Fantastic ing post TBH

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    Dad Killer will never be surpassed in the conventional way that media and fans rank players with lack of nuance(rings, accolades, etc), tbh..all the cir stances worked in his favor, it was a perfect storm of having a stacked supporting cast, minimal compe ion and no media to expose his flaws, on and off the court..

    Individually, they are close, but Lebron was unfortunate to be placed in the wrong situation and era, tbh..

    Realistically, you could have replaced Dad Killer with a number of players that would have easily won at least 5 les with those Bulls teams..Kobe, Wade, Drexler, Paul Pierce, McGrady, Vince Carter, etc..if you replaced DK with any of those players, the Bulls would have been worse, but still would have easily won at least 5 championships vs. inferior compe ion..

    The 1994 Bulls were 1 shot away from the ECFs, despite Scottie not even having a traditional sidekick..I can't even fathom how you could take a superstar player off his team and they could still make a deep playoff run..

    From his rookie season until his retirement(and I'm being generous by including the Wizards' days, since it inflates this number in his favor), DK's teams won 51% of the games without him..that isn't a good winning % and is an accurate display of his value, but compared to somebody like Lebron and his teams' 35% mark without him, it's laughable
    Sounds like Jordan did what all the other GOAT imposters (Lebron, Kobe, etc.) Couldnt do: Make his teammates better.

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    Sounds like Jordan did what all the other GOAT imposters (Lebron, Kobe, etc.) Couldnt do: Make his teammates better.

    Very true, DK made those three peat teams, they learned how to play from him, that's why they went so deep in playoffs when he went of to play fatball. How else could the Bulls get away with playing so many scrub white American players like Buechler and Wennington? DK inspired these role players to raise their play to championship levels, or get punched in the face like Kerr.

    Interesting interview from Horace Grant on how DK was really like.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY

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    Individually, they are close, but Lebron was unfortunate to be placed in the wrong situation and era, tbh..


    East has been historically trash for most of Lebron's career, you had Detroit and Boston for a few years in the 00's and that's it.

    If anything Lebron was lucky to play in this era of pro-offense rules and no real compe ion outside the Finals.

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