Church of Trump

[rmt]

What do the resident Trumpers think about their hero's press conference with Bill's accusers? Good move? Bad move?

He had to change the topic and stop the bleeding - tried this and the debate - I think he did.

[Winehole23]

Donald Trump’s threat in Sunday night’s presidential debate to appoint a special prosecutor to go after Hillary Clinton’s use of a private e-mail server is legally empty -- but it’s genuinely dangerous nevertheless. Federal regulations give the appointment power to the attorney general, not the president, precisely to protect us against a president who uses the special prosecutor as a political tool.


What separates functioning democracies from weak or failed ones is that political parties alternate in power without jailing the opponents they beat in elections.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-name-for-that

[Winehole23]

As political scientists have long observed, democracy depends most basically on political alternation: When parties change places after an election, the winners allow the losers to stay in business, operate as an opposition and run for office again.That alternation means winners don’t put their opponents in jail. If they do -- or if the opponents fear that they will be jailed -- then the incentive to accept defeat evaporates. Losers in that dire position instead will turn to wide-scale popular resistance or military coups. That’s only rational if the losers think they won’t be free to run for office again.


Alternation is thus what distinguishes stable democracies from weak or failing ones. Prosecuting opponents is the hallmark of democracy-ending dictatorship. Egypt offers a recent and clear example: Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi has relentlessly prosecuted the elected leaders he displaced in his 2013 coup. No one has any illusion that the Muslim Brotherhood will be back in future elections. And no one doubts that democracy in Egypt is over.

[Winehole23]

Gerald Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon is a prime example, even though the two were from the same party. Ford judged that the republic wouldn’t be well-served by prosecution of a former president. George W. Bush didn’t seek to prosecute Bill Clinton for perjury, although legally he might have been able to do so.


And Barack Obama didn’t seek to prosecute Bush administration officials for acts that likely counted as torture.


In each instance, there were other political reasons to avoid prosecution. But the dominant rationale was surely that each president wanted to avoid the specter of using executive office to go after opponents or former presidents.


This shows that even in the U.S., the value of democratic alternation weighs very heavily -- more heavily than criminal justice. Trump’s threat to jail Clinton shows he doesn’t value that tradition of alternation. Even if he’s not elected, that’s a dangerous view.

[Reck]

He had to change the topic and stop the bleeding - tried this and the debate - I think he did.

It was a complete fail.

Not only did people think this was pathetic. He compounded his own problems by putting his dictator cap on and threatening his political oponent of imprisonment.

Which by the way is exactly what Putin does. Either kills his enemies or throws them in jail.

[Fabbs]

Even if he’s not elected, that’s a dangerous view.

Trump is such a vindictive hypocritical .
As if it isn't obvious the whole casino banruptcy scams and tax write offs he was in bed with mafia, banksters etc.
If a *special prosecutor* was assigned to uncover on him it would probably be endless the crap he has pulled.

[rmt]

Question to you all - if you or I did what she did, don't you think we'd be in jail?

[DMX7]

Mr. Trump cherishes women... no one respects women more than he. Tee-hee...

[ElNono]

Question to you all - if you or I did what she did, don't you think we'd be in jail?

If you were investigated by the FBI and eventually found that there was no criminal case against you? I think you wouldn't be in jail.

I'm no fan of Shillary, but I still think the FBI does do their job.

[ElNono]

And I second the Winehole posts. Threats of jail to your political opponent are bush league and a new low. Not to mention, extremely harmful to democracy.

I understand the frustration that a lot of people feel personally with Shillary, but candidates have to potentially govern for all, including those that selected Shillary to represent them.

It's true that Trump might not be your regular politician that understands you have to be above the fray in certain areas, but it's also certainly no excuse either.

[ducks]

FBI did not do their job
Bill even talked to the attorney general days before

[baseline bum]

LOL Trump fascists

[spurraider21]

FBI did not do their job
Bill even talked to the attorney general days before

a) is the attorney general in the fbi?

b) why would they talk in person in front of cameras instead of using any other type of communication if it was really about that?

[boutons_deux]

"b) why would they talk in person in front of cameras"

FBI protocol is to say nothing when there is no indictment. Comey wanted his face on national TV to slime Hillary. a total political hit job by the corrupt FBI.

[Winehole23]

You're overreading this, boutons. Comey is a straight arrow who didn't like getting slimed by the GOP, so he broke protocol to defend himself and the agency he heads.

It wasn't such a good idea. Both sides hate him for it.

[Winehole23]

Question to you all - if you or I did what she did, don't you think we'd be in jail?

There has to be provable criminal intent. That wasn't found in this case.

22,000 emails on RNC servers were deleted in the Alberto Gonzalez US atty firing kerfuffle -- no one went to jail for that either.

[Winehole23]

FBI did not do their job
Bill even talked to the attorney general days before

It's not the President's job to prosecute his political enemies. That's banana republic stuff.

[spurraider21]

trump announces plan to attack clinton after criticizing DOD for announcing attack plans

[boutons_deux]

DONALD TRUMP: NARCISSIST, CREEP, LOSER

the hot-mic tape displaying Donald Trump as a brutal, vile, woman-despising, sexually predatory vulgarian suddenly has set the elders of the Republican Party off to war with him.

Upstart, indeed! Why should this previously hidden mean-minded monologue mean more than all the other countless unhidden ones, which have already shown

Trump to be a brutal, vile vulgarian?

Mexican “rapists,”

“she gained a massive amount of weight,”

“blood coming out of her wherever”—

all of these and more Paul Ryan and the rest passed by untroubled, until “grab them by the pussy” became their “upstart!”

when a camel’s back has already been broken by the ulative weight of countless straws, we wrongly credit the last straw in the pile with breaking it. Trump had been imploding for weeks, Wang argues, the polls showed this, and the

Republican elders, as craven in abandonment as they previously were in surrender, were just waiting for an excuse to get off the doomed train.

there was also, perhaps significantly, something pathetic and therefore newly vulnerable about the taped Trump.

This was not a dominant American Mussolini asserting himself contemptuously on stage.

It was, well, a loser, struggling to impress a very insignificant new acquaintance with pitiful boasts about his masculinity.

What runs through the tape is, along with his one-size-fits-all brutality, Trump’s deep insecurity and desperate need for approval from other men.

He is not boasting so much as begging, looking for Billy Bush’s confirmation of his sexuality and his s om, as crazy narcissists will.

The same thing is true of the newly discovered tapes of his conversations with Howard Stern.

He engages in matchlessly creepy celebration of his own daughter as an object of sexual interest

, yes, but it’s obvious that he is doing it above all to be admired and accepted by Stern. He is

willing to throw his daughter under the bus and onto a mattress, so to speak, in exchange for a moment more of the King of All Media’s approval. It is the desperate need for validation and success, as much as the mere ugliness, that impresses.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...ocial_facebook

Trash!

Trash supporters!

[rmt]

And you all don't see anything su ious about taking a hammer to cel phones and iPads, laptop "lost" in the mail, emails BleachBitted after subpoena is served, immunity handed out to 5 Hillary people with nothing in return, computers being physically destroyed after FBI searches certain dates only, no tape of Hillary's FBI interview (only agents' notes)? You don't think that any of these things point to intent to destroy evidence - lol.

[boutons_deux]

And you all don't see anything su ious about taking a hammer to cel phones and iPads, laptop "lost" in the mail, emails BleachBitted after subpoena is served, immunity handed out to 5 Hillary people with nothing in return, computers being physically destroyed after FBI searches certain dates only, no tape of Hillary's FBI interview (only agents' notes)? You don't think that any of these things point to intent to destroy evidence - lol.

rmt is another rightwingnut, Trash fellator inhaling the Repug smoke machine.

[rmt]

rmt is another rightwingnut, Trash fellator inhaling the Repug smoke machine.

And you really believe that if were you, you'd get away with all that?

[Splits]

Can you believe this?







There was a black guy in the audience, amazing.

[Winehole23]

And you all don't see anything su ious about taking a hammer to cel phones and iPads, laptop "lost" in the mail, emails BleachBitted after subpoena is served, immunity handed out to 5 Hillary people with nothing in return, computers being physically destroyed after FBI searches certain dates only, no tape of Hillary's FBI interview (only agents' notes)? You don't think that any of these things point to intent to destroy evidence - lol.

Looks fishy as , but the FBI investigated and found no basis for criminal referral. You may not like the result, but that doesn't mean the FBI is bad at its job.

Is that what you think?

[boutons_deux]

Decades-Old Video Shows Trump Predict His Campaign Problems With Women

For decades, Donald Trump flaunted his interactions with women. In one such instance -

a 1998 interview with Chris Matthews -

he predicted his behavior could be a problem if he ran for office.

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/...n-783048771685