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Not going to happen dude. Philly would turn it down in a Jiffy.
No word about that.
Not going to happen dude. Philly would turn it down in a Jiffy.
So... are you saying the Spurs have been "coddling" Kyle and encouraging his "style" of play within the coaching staff? Not getting tough on him and forging his iron into something harder? Or has that been happening and his iron is not hardening with the tempering?
I'd advocate the testosterone for sure and possibly the shrink. But I think Kyle has until December/January to show that he belongs. I'm talking about he needs to show that he is a solid sixth man/occasional starter or the Spurs need to find one ASAP. Manu is on his last legs as a solid sixth man/occasional starter.
No I just think offense hasn't been a focus.
They have benched him for defensive lapses and stressed that attention to defense was what would get him playing time. They were never strict about offense, as long as he didn't TO the ball, fouled people or made silly mistakes. At this point, they need more from him though and just being solid isn't enough don't you agree?
I am actually in favor of putting the pressure on him on that end. It wasn't on him previously to preduce offensively and I don't think Spurs place that burden on new players generally, but they need to now.
why? doesn't Kyle project to be star talent in the near future?
From what I've read, Garino is D-League bound unless he's shown enough to be a rotation player THIS season.
I guess I would do it if I am the Spurs... But I honestly don't understand the ST obsession with Okafor/Noel. They are both very one-dimensional. Frankly, I might rather try to pry Holmes from them or even Embiid and roll the dice on him and his injury problems.
Pop knows that they absolutely need his offense and he's failed so far. Pop said Point Guard for this guy? Pop is trying to put this guy in positions. he's failing right now. God, how I want him to step up... He hasn't yet.
You'd get Exec of the Year for that one.
tbh, it's too bad the spurs couldn't get andrew bogut.
in addition to pau.
The problem is that his offense needs to be more than just put the ball on the floor, try to shake my guy and shoot over him while everybody else is staring at him. And it's not like he didn't get chances to do more than that.
There's centrally two problems with his offense right now, IMO:
1) If you're going to stay in a corner to space the floor, then when the ball swings to you wide-open, you need to take the shot, not put the ball on the floor and stall the offense, passing up a great look.
2) This is the NBA, he needs to know how to play off the ball. Read the defense and make a cut sometimes. Be active setting solid screens to open a teammate. You can have a big impact without having the ball in your hands.
When he's out there with LMA, Kawhi, he's probably not going to get his number called, but he still can have an impact doing the little things.
Maybe it's just the preseason, but his activity level is just meh... like I said previously, sometimes I had to double check to notice he was out there.
lotta free agents next summer. parker's contract will still be on the books though.
I have been in Kyle's corner from the beginning, and I give him until December/January to make good. Your first point is one that even his supporters acknowledge, but your second point is probably a greater indictment against him. If he can't move without the ball, getting and making shots without the ball in his hands, then he probably will have to play in China.
1.) That is true.
2.) It's messy and not all on him right now, although the ting is on him and that is fine. The bench plays two bigs who don't shoot at all and it's a mess bc of that. There won't be cuts or other actions available with them for perimeter players IMO, unless the cutter we are talking about is one of them bigs. We have to pay attention to what they are doing bc really it's going to be difficult for any perimeter players get into the paint with them there, be that on drives or cuts. (correct and edit on this: there were cuts but they ended up in someone getting into the paint with two shot blockers nearby, there were not quality looks for anyone) I saw ginobili on a PnR get all the way into the paint for example to be met by 3 defenders, his own and the other two guys, he missed no surprise. I saw Dijon, who absolutely no one is accusing of being slow, wanting to get into the paint, get in there eventually with his quick step, only have to put up one of his weird floaters for the same reason: defense was there and it was a clog.
It is going to be a mess with two non shooting bigs IMO. Kyle only makes that worse I agree. But there is really not much they can do with that twosome they have for bigs. It's a general problem they have. For that particular system a guy like Bertans might be better overall. Maybe that puts the pressure on Kyle to shoot the 3, but is that really all he can do?
I expect hopefully he will individually be better, but really I have to question Pop too and what they are running. I think the pressure should be on Kyle to shoot the 3 and Lee to be aggressive with the midrange shot as well. It's the only way it will work for everyone. If Lee wants to play strictly in the paint then Pop is effectively playing 2 centers.
Last edited by SAGirl; 10-11-2016 at 06:19 AM.
I have to call you on #2. Your examples of Manu and Dijon are examples of guys driving to the hole with the ball (obviously). What Kyle has to learn is how to move without the ball - setting screens and also using them to get open. Danny is the example there - not Manu or Dijon. You are right about the two non-jump-shooting bigs creating a traffic jam, but that's even more reason for Kyle to be able to use them for screens to get open and then take the shot. And yes, Lee has to take a few of his old elbow jumpers.
Some truth bombs in there. Honestly, most of the players need to have their asses chewed about off the ball play - especially making good, hard cuts and setting actual screens and not just stopping in the general area.
You just gave me a serious personal deja vu moment there. That's EXACTLY what my dad used to tell me when I would be all mopey after a game when I got minimal touches. Of course, I was in Junior High at the time! Probably a lesson that Kyle is a little late in learning.
Id offer doesnt mean I think theyd accept.
It means, Id offer.
Id have Anderson & Simmons on the trade market all season.
He is allowed to make plays with the ball though. If he wasn't, he wouldn't. He's not a strict spot up shooter like Danny or Bertans. If you take that from him then you are turning him into something he's not (and ppl still want Danny to put the ball on the floor, so you see how fans are never happy).
He does set screens for others, but there is little screening possible with that system that ends up in good looks, except the one I saw where a wing screens for someone to get a 3 if someone posting up has the ball and I saw him both cut and screen. I really didn't see much screening from any wings really that resulted in good looks--->playing with Dedmon and Lee. Did you? Bc it's obviously different with Gasol and LMA.
Last edited by SAGirl; 10-11-2016 at 06:21 AM.
All that may be true, but it is a different discussion than the #2 point brought up by ElNono. There wasn't a lot of screen setting last season, either. ISO-ball really doesn't rely on that.
He made two bad passes, but we can't act like Parker never made a bad pass.
However, I was talking about him being aggressive at scoring.
With Parker on the court, most offense are Parker/LMA P&Rs, a really good stuff, but you can't put Kawhi parking in the corner during 6 minutes a quarter while Parker does the things.
Kawhi took his first shot tonight, after almost 4 minutes when all starters take one or two, but when Pop sat Parker, Kawhi was looking at the rim a lot, like he did in the game in Phoenix.
If someone wants to develop Kawhi driving or any other aspect of his offensive game, can't wait until sitting the PG starting to do it.
Or Pop finds a way to involve more Kawhi with Parker, or this thing will be the same in playoffs.
Kawhi being the most effective player in a game but Parker trying to close it running P&Rs, even when he can't do it anymore against elite teams.
That's the problem: he has the greenlight and treats it like a yellow, about to turn red.
Take the blinders off, Kyle! Shoot when you have the shot! Then make a play!
He keeps trying to make a play when he has the shot. That is his fundamental problem and he is not doing anything about it.
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